[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

Everything sound to be good with the 335xi, only your opinion of quattro seems to be a bit off. You may be correct with the older quattro systems and the old A6, their previous setup was 50/50 fixed setting and it did have 63% of it's weight over the front axle but not now, my S5 has a 40/60 variable system with only 56% over the front axle. Now the S5 will turn in even better than the 335i and will hold it's line just as good.

You can't let pass experience cloud your judgements of future products. If I had the same opinion then I would never had tried the new M3 basing my opinions on previous M3s.

Yes, I do know the new S5 and the B8 A4 will have better weight distribution....this is good finally.

BTW, a quicker turn is a result of more static weight over the front axle.....and also how stiff the sidewalls are. The question is will the S5 understeer less? I haven't seen much to indicate Audi's are more neutral than in the past.

[335xi2k8]

I drove both as well and every single thing about your review is accurate...the looks and features r amazing..but it doesnt really seem that fast, its very quiet..and at low speeds, the steering is very very very light! i was in between the 335xi coupe and the Audi S5 and realized that the Audi is not worth 10k more in price. They wouldnt even knock a dollar off of msrp...also maintence is free for 4 yrs with the bmw..thats why I'll be putting in my order this week...

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by 335xi2k8

I drove both as well and every single thing about your review is accurate...the looks and features r amazing..but it doesnt really seem that fast, its very quiet..and at low speeds, the steering is very very very light! i was in between the 335xi coupe and the Audi S5 and realized that the Audi is not worth 10k more in price. They wouldnt even knock a dollar off of msrp...also maintence is free for 4 yrs with the bmw..thats why I'll be putting in my order this week...

Welcome.

[335xi2k8]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Welcome.

Thank you

[footie]

Originally Posted by 335xi2k8

I drove both as well and every single thing about your review is accurate...the looks and features r amazing..but it doesnt really seem that fast, its very quiet..and at low speeds, the steering is very very very light! i was in between the 335xi coupe and the Audi S5 and realized that the Audi is not worth 10k more in price. They wouldnt even knock a dollar off of msrp...also maintence is free for 4 yrs with the bmw..thats why I'll be putting in my order this week...

I would also find it hard to pay the extra that you guys have to for a S5 over the 335i or 335xi in the US, but over here in the UK the difference is only around £2.5K when each is specced the same.

As for what T-Bone says about the S5 still understeering the same as the old Quattro cars, sorry mate but clearly you haven't sampled the S5 to make a comment like that, the car performs way better than before I know I have had numerous other Audis. I would agree that it won't behave the same as the 335xi but that is the beauty of different brands, there is always something there for everyone.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

I would also find it hard to pay the extra that you guys have to for a S5 over the 335i or 335xi in the US, but over here in the UK the difference is only around £2.5K when each is specced the same.

As for what T-Bone says about the S5 still understeering the same as the old Quattro cars, sorry mate but clearly you haven't sampled the S5 to make a comment like that, the car performs way better than before I know I have had numerous other Audis. I would agree that it won't behave the same as the 335xi but that is the beauty of different brands, there is always something there for everyone.

I didn't make this claim.

Happy New Year anyway

[footie]

Not bad, it's only took 568 posts for me and T-Bone to see eye to eye.

Happy New Year.

[penny31]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

i went to an audi dealer and they straight out told me to keep the 335...since i was about feel esp so i'm not to suprised to hear this...great review...i wish bmw offered the upgraded leather that's in the current 6 series honestly that interior is soooooo damn hot with the updraded leather i spent 62 on my 335 so what's another 2400!!!!! i wish they offered it!!!! i like the dakota but i just wish they had gone back to something more supple...too bad bmw like most companies have a hard time stopping the leather from fading and cracking...my e34 540 doesn't look soo hot inside yet the leather is softer and smoother than that in the 335 at least i know with the dakota it won't fade and crack as easily as past bmws...still i wish we had the updraded leather for the 3's soo damn hot!!!!

wait.. how did your car come out to 62 k?.. damnn wtf lmao

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

Not bad, it's only took 568 posts for me and T-Bone to see eye to eye.

Happy New Year.

It is only until I drive the S5 and understeer into a tree

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by T Bone

It is only until I drive the S5 and understeer into a tree

[footie]

Originally Posted by T Bone

It is only until I drive the S5 and understeer into a tree

Oh well, that New Year's resolution didn't last to long.

Anyway what good would there be coming on to this forum and always agreeing with each other.

May I recommend some Quattro driving lessons as it will stop you from looking a dick in said tree.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

Oh well, that New Year's resolution didn't last to long.

Anyway what good would there be coming on to this forum and always agreeing with each other.

May I recommend some Quattro driving lessons as it will stop you from looking a dick in said tree.

I look forward to driving a S5 actually. I had enough of my old A6 and my GF's B7 A4 Avant.

I hope the experience changes for the better......no worries, if it feels better than the weighted hammer that is characterisitic of the current Audis, I will say so.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by T Bone

I look forward to driving a S5 actually. I had enough of my old A6 and my GF's B7 A4 Avant.

I hope the experience changes for the better......no worries, if it feels better than the weighted hammer that is characterisitic of the current Audis, I will say so.

That has got to irk your little follower.
Wait I need to put one of these.

[footie]

Railgun,

Track wise the two cars are near enough identical, on the ring they posted exactly the same time, in the hands of FifthGear there was a 0.06s advantage to the 335i and around Hockenheim the S5 was slower wearing Dunlops by 0.8s which are bloody awful tyres.

If you like the S5 go for it as it's every bit as good on the track as the 335i and a hack of a bit better off it. It's worth the difference but don't think of it as an M3 rival because it ain't.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

Railgun,

Track wise the two cars are near enough identical, on the ring they posted exactly the same time, in the hands of FifthGear there was a 0.06s advantage to the 335i and around Hockenheim the S5 was slower wearing Dunlops by 0.8s which are bloody awful tyres.

If you like the S5 go for it as it's every bit as good on the track as the 335i and a hack of a bit better off it. It's worth the difference but don't think of it as an M3 rival because it ain't.

Footie, I was in Miami and saw a nice blue S5 with dealer plates. The sounded good (but not as good as my rental Mustang GTH Cab) but does the S5 engine have a loud ticking / valvetrain noise? We were beside each other at a stoplight and I heard the S5 engine ticking.....is this normal?

[md80tom]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Footie, I was in Miami and saw a nice blue S5 with dealer plates. The sounded good (but not as good as my rental Mustang GTH Cab) but does the S5 engine have a loud ticking / valvetrain noise? We were beside each other at a stoplight and I heard the S5 engine ticking.....is this normal?

I believe the S5 has FSI right? If so, that would explain the ticking. My GTI sounds like a diesel somewhat as well. lol.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by T Bone

It is only until I drive the S5 and understeer into a tree

Ironic how the car that happened to crash into a tree this year was branded as a ____.

I'm sure you can fill that gap in.

[footie]

Originally Posted by gtiTom

I believe the S5 has FSI right? If so, that would explain the ticking. My GTI sounds like a diesel somewhat as well. lol.

I missed T-Bone posted but basically you has answered it. I am unsure if it's FSI but up until T-Bone mentioned it I hadn't heard it really as I am normally sitting in the car with the windows up and the stereo on.

It does has a very different note from the non FSI v8 4.2L Audis like the S4.

[footie]

Originally Posted by T Bone

I look forward to driving a S5 actually. I had enough of my old A6 and my GF's B7 A4 Avant.

I hope the experience changes for the better......no worries, if it feels better than the weighted hammer that is characterisitic of the current Audis, I will say so.

There is no doubt that the S5 feels totally different to any previous A4/6 you have ever driven. You can definitely feel the difference that the shifting of the front axle and changing the steering system has made to the experience. I reckon most BMW drivers who have driven the previous A4 will really appreciate the new setup.