[3onDubs]

Here's my analysis: In a ground vs. lip battle, the ground usually wins

[Neema]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

what about peope who have seen the product on a car?

+1, or been there durring an install (andy you know what im talking about, Long Tran BMW of El Monte's service department haha)

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by tokion

So,you think OEM won't have this effect if you lower your car?

It happen to one of my buddy, he got an OEM aero lip and lower his car. And now his OEM lip its at the recycle bin.

Originally Posted by tokion

hahaha~ not just only his car.
Just wait and see....sooner or later people with OEM aero lip will post the comments.

Fact = OEM Aero lip is much tougher than a fiberglass piece.
Fact = Even PUR/Poly/etc. can not withstand everything.

I never said OEM won't have this effect, it is just less fragile than fiberglass. It is my opinion that the OEM Aero lip and most OEM pieces are much stronger than fiberglass. It's the nature of the material, not necessarily the manufacturer.

As to your product, I do know someone personally that has complained about how fragile it was. I didn't want to mention this but since uhaulball brought it up, I'm answering the question.

OEM Poly > Fiberglass
The above statement is an opinion.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by 3onDubs

Here's my analysis: In a ground vs. lip battle, the ground usually wins

hahahah, thats true. Come to think of it, I think its funny that we're debating that.

[Minipuck V 2.0]

well that and i have seen the kit in person at bimmerfest ... i have my own opinions on the kit from what i saw

but i think i was intrigued by the oem argument ... i agree that no matter what, if you drive like shiet, you will mess up the car ... if you slam your car to floor, prepare to pay the consequences of scrapping

[Minipuck V 2.0]

firas put it nicely ...

[Neema]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Fact = OEM Aero lip is much tougher than a fiberglass piece.
Fact = Even PUR/Poly/etc. can not withstand everything.

I never said OEM won't have this effect, it is just less fragile than fiberglass. It is my opinion that the OEM Aero lip and most OEM pieces are much stronger than fiberglass. It's the nature of the material, not necessarily the manufacturer.

As to your product, I do know someone personally that has complained about how fragile it was. I didn't want to mention this but since uhaulball brought it up, I'm answering the question.

OEM Poly > Fiberglass
The above statement is an opinion.

exactly

[3onDubs]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

hahahah, thats true. Come to think of it, I think its funny that we're debating that.

Going off memory, there was only one case where the lip won....and that was with the chrome M3 driven by Chuck Norris.

[uhaulball]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

what about peope who have seen the product on a car?

well to get into the detailed reason, i say actual customers because ones who are not an actual customer, already have established they are either weary of the material or do not like the design. so right off the bat they are either indifferent to the kit or on the negative spectrum of the scale. also, people may have other factors into not getting the kit, lets say sponsored cars, for example a sponsored car from another cosmetic company will be obligated to wearing either that company's kit or an OEM kit with that company's trimmings. so they will also be more inclined to be in disagreement with the e92kit. when the reviewer is an actual customer, then its been determined that theyve initially already shown genuine interest in the product, and now they can decide on how satisfied they were with the final results.

[Bluesummer]

Originally Posted by tokion

Normal driving.
The car was too low and trying drive over the speed bump.

So what would've happen if he has the E92kits front bumper?

[Neema]

Originally Posted by 3onDubs

Going off memory, there was only one case where the lip won....and that was with the chrome M3 driven by Chuck Norris.

haha yea, but thats a metal lip right?

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

well to get into the detailed reason, i say actual customers because ones who are not an actual customer, already have established they are either weary of the material or do not like the design. so right off the bat they are either indifferent to the kit or on the negative spectrum of the scale. also, people may have other factors into not getting the kit, lets say sponsored cars, for example a sponsored car from another cosmetic company will be obligated to wearing either that company's kit or an OEM kit with that company's trimmings. so they will also be more inclined to be in disagreement with the e92kit. when the reviewer is an actual customer, then its been determined that theyve initially already shown genuine interest in the product, and now they can decide on how satisfied they were with the final results.

i would disagree on the point that style is one aspect and material is another. but i agree that everyone is biased, because you would buy the kit only if you liked it. then it would seem that no one would have an unbiased opinion about the kit.

[!Xoible]

okay post whores. drag ur flat asian asses back to socal chat and stop making trouble

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by Bluesummer

So what would've happen if he has the E92kits front bumper?

he is not saying that at all. he saying that simply because its not oem doesn't mean its not as good.

[3onDubs]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

haha yea, but thats a metal lip right?

Yup...chrome > *

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

well to get into the detailed reason, i say actual customers because ones who are not an actual customer, already have established they are either weary of the material or do not like the design. so right off the bat they are either indifferent to the kit or on the negative spectrum of the scale. also, people may have other factors into not getting the kit, lets say sponsored cars, for example a sponsored car from another cosmetic company will be obligated to wearing either that company's kit or an OEM kit with that company's trimmings. so they will also be more inclined to be in disagreement with the e92kit. when the reviewer is an actual customer, then its been determined that theyve initially already shown genuine interest in the product, and now they can decide on how satisfied they were with the final results.

So someone that has the actual piece telling me that he likes it a lot but it's as fragile as <insert word here> doesn't mean anything? I'm not sponsored by any company. I have no vested interested in this at all. I'm quite impartial.

For the record, I told someone that their e92kits front bumper looked good.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by 3onDubs

Going off memory, there was only one case where the lip won....and that was with the chrome M3 driven by Chuck Norris.

ur funny today, what happened? redbull?
jk

[tokion]

Originally Posted by Bluesummer

So what would've happen if he has the E92kits front bumper?

You think it can't be happen to the OEM bumper?

Everything will breaks no matter what bumpers you got.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

well to get into the detailed reason, i say actual customers because ones who are not an actual customer, already have established they are either weary of the material or do not like the design. so right off the bat they are either indifferent to the kit or on the negative spectrum of the scale. also, people may have other factors into not getting the kit, lets say sponsored cars, for example a sponsored car from another cosmetic company will be obligated to wearing either that company's kit or an OEM kit with that company's trimmings. so they will also be more inclined to be in disagreement with the e92kit. when the reviewer is an actual customer, then its been determined that theyve initially already shown genuine interest in the product, and now they can decide on how satisfied they were with the final results.

this is ture, however there are both positive reviews (such are yours) and negative reviews from actual buyers. So the issues are still being validated even by current owners.

[Bluesummer]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

So someone that has the actual piece telling me that he likes it a lot but it's as fragile as <insert word here> doesn't mean anything? I'm not sponsored by any company. I have no vested interested in this at all. I'm quite impartial.

For the record, I told someone that their e92kits front bumper looked good.

you know what im laughing at John..

o man....LOL

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by tokion

You think it can't be happen to the OEM bumper?

Everything will breaks no matter what bumpers you got.

Stop dancing around the subject.

Fiberglass breaks easier.

If you are parking and accidently scrape the parking block, the OEM aero lip will most likely not crack (I know this from experience). If you do the same with fiberglass, the chance is much higher (I know this from experience). 30 mph is much different than 5 mph or under. I assume you won't be going 30mph while parking.

Cliffnotes: Everything breaks, that is obvious. Fiberglass breaks more easily.

[Bluesummer]

Originally Posted by tokion

You think it can't be happen to the OEM bumper?

Everything will breaks no matter what bumpers you got.

does this has to do with what I asked?