[.RJ]

Maybe EAG saw us complaining about them and is just trolling us

[putnampunk]

Someone buy it before EAG

https://www.autoblog.com/used-detail...-3+Series-2011

[elons335i]

Originally Posted by rwh11385

Someone buy it before EAG

https://www.autoblog.com/used-detail...-3+Series-2011

Rant: I think part of the appeal of having a long roof car is not having the dependency of being the norm portrayed by crossover craze. Typically, one would have a pet, children or look to a vehicle as such in hopes of multi-purposing fun and practicality.

Wtf does one do with 'oyster' [also sub: beige / grey] interior?

[Clarkwgrizwald]

Originally Posted by elons335i

Rant: I think part of the appeal of having a long roof car is not having the dependency of being the norm portrayed by crossover craze. Typically, one would have a pet, children or look to a vehicle as such in hopes of multi-purposing fun and practicality.

Wtf does one do with 'oyster' [also sub: beige / grey] interior?

haha so true

[Inglewood]

Re: https://www.autoblog.com/used-detail...-3+Series-2011 EAG will have zero interest as its an auto. I wouldn't expect them to touch an e91 auto unless a low mileage M-sport pkg.

Oyster is an amazing color in person - pics do zero justice. My first e91 M sport was black with oyster...it was gorgeous with the anthracite headliner black/white contrast. Looks much classier than 'old man tan' or light grey.

Dark jeans wreaked havoc of course...required constant upkeep to ensure they looked pristine. Pic below...should have never sold. EAG offered me 5k under my asking on that wagon - I politely told them sorry, but I'm not going to knock $5k off my asking price so that you can list it for $10k more.

[putnampunk]

Originally Posted by Inglewood

Re: https://www.autoblog.com/used-detail...-3+Series-2011 EAG will have zero interest as its an auto. I wouldn't expect them to touch an e91 auto unless a low mileage M-sport pkg.

Oyster is an amazing color in person - pics do zero justice. My first e91 M sport was black with oyster...it was gorgeous with the anthracite headliner black/white contrast. Looks much classier than 'old man tan' or light grey.

Dark jeans wreaked havoc of course...required constant upkeep to ensure they looked pristine. Pic below...should have never sold. EAG offered me 5k under my asking on that wagon - I politely told them sorry, but I'm not going to knock $5k off my asking price so that you can list it for $10k more

True, but I'm going to say that whether they'd snag it or not out of spite.

It is definetly better than beige or grey with the two tone going on, and was close to going for a Tasman over Oyster... but then saw a not well kept one in person and just looked dirty. I'm not about that effort given things around me to dirty it up. Even black interior with a dog shedding white hair is easier.

Oh well, my heart is set on or at least hoping for Chestnut Brown... so will take a while.

[Clarkwgrizwald]

Yea oyster is great until you see a dirty example

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by elons335i

Wtf does one do with 'oyster' [also sub: beige / grey] interior?

swap it for black, of course.

[masterh]

https://www.weavermotorsportssales.c...NC_8276517.veh
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...371188629.html

I am considering these two. What would you choose?

First one has rare sports package with black/silver interior. 120k miles

Second one is Pre Lci and has generic interior, no sports package but 65k miles! (but carfax shows only 2 records for mileage and one side swipe accident. Sold at auction)

I will enjoy first car for couple years. It might require more maintenance as I reach 150k miles and I would have to price it cheap if I want to sell it.
For lower mileage one, I won't have to worry about it for 5 years.

[.RJ]

I'd take the lower mileage car myself. You can update the car to sport package for $1000.

[elons335i]

Originally Posted by masterh

https://www.weavermotorsportssales.c...NC_8276517.veh
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...371188629.html

I am considering these two. What would you choose?

First one has rare sports package with black/silver interior. 120k miles

Second one is Pre Lci and has generic interior, no sports package but 65k miles! (but carfax shows only 2 records for mileage and one side swipe accident. Sold at auction)

I will enjoy first car for couple years. It might require more maintenance as I reach 150k miles and I would have to price it cheap if I want to sell it.
For lower mileage one, I won't have to worry about it for 5 years.

Do not focus so much on mileage. Buy a car with a traceable maintenance record. Mileage is meaningless. If the car was "dealer maintained" - pass and keep looking. 15k oil change intervals are absurd for any sort of stratified injection.

You're buying an n52. Know the weak points like shitty electric water pumps, fuel pumps, cam bolts, ofhg, vcg, oil pan gasket, if auto (trans oil pan gasket and mechatronic sleeves) - are you handy? If so, all of those are diy. If not, get your preferred payment method ready.

Back to maintenance, check that diff fluid was replaced front and back for xdrive cars. Check transfer case for leaks. If over 100k, was trans fluid changed? If current owner starts pushing the lifetime fluid speech as per BMW - keep it moving. If manual, see if trans fluid was replaced, when replaced ask if the clutch delay valve was deleted.

Ask about door actuators and window motors. Were they replaced? If not, they will go bad very soon. If replaced, where? If at dealer - prepare to remove door cards and replace vapor barriers and butyl. If DIY? Ask if butyl was replaced? Why? You'll find out next time it rains.

Does it have xenons? Great. Check to see if both projectors are pointing straight, if one one is pointed down. You're baking headlights. No? Fine. You're buying new headlights.

Check right side fender. Green fluid? Super. Your windshield/headlight washed pump is leaking. Or both. Time to replace.

Lastly. Check hatch for leaks.

Sounds like a lot of problems? Thinking maybe it won't happen to me? Subaru Outback is a decent car after 2011 model year


You are now prepared for e91 ownership.

Good luck!

[triax37]

Originally Posted by elons335i

Do not focus so much on mileage. Buy a car with a traceable maintenance record. Mileage is meaningless. If the car was "dealer maintained" - pass and keep looking. 15k oil change intervals are absurd for any sort of stratified injection.

You're buying an n52. Know the weak points like shitty electric water pumps, fuel pumps, cam bolts, ofhg, vcg, oil pan gasket, if auto (trans oil pan gasket and mechatronic sleeves) - are you handy? If so, all of those are diy. If not, get your preferred payment method ready.

Back to maintenance, check that diff fluid was replaced front and back for xdrive cars. Check transfer case for leaks. If over 100k, was trans fluid changed? If current owner starts pushing the lifetime fluid speech as per BMW - keep it moving. If manual, see if trans fluid was replaced, when replaced ask if the clutch delay valve was deleted.

Ask about door actuators and window motors. Were they replaced? If not, they will go bad very soon. If replaced, where? If at dealer - prepare to remove door cards and replace vapor barriers and butyl. If DIY? Ask if butyl was replaced? Why? You'll find out next time it rains.

Does it have xenons? Great. Check to see if both projectors are pointing straight, if one one is pointed down. You're baking headlights. No? Fine. You're buying new headlights.

Check right side fender. Green fluid? Super. Your windshield/headlight washed pump is leaking. Or both. Time to replace.

Lastly. Check hatch for leaks.

Sounds like a lot of problems? Thinking maybe it won't happen to me? Subaru Outback is a decent car after 2011 model year


You are now prepared for e91 ownership.

Good luck!

Amazing post! Thanks for sharing this information. It's a great summary of other info all around e90post.com.

Potential stupid question for a newbie - is there a front differential fluid for a RWD car?

[elons335i]

Originally Posted by triax37

Amazing post! Thanks for sharing this information. It's a great summary of other info all around e90post.com.

Potential stupid question for a newbie - is there a front differential fluid for a RWD car?

You selected the "preferred payment of choice method"


Same fluid as the rear.


I kid I kid. No fluid - no diff.

[flipwils11]

Wondered why I wasn't receiving updates on this thread, I missed a few pages. Gmail is bipolar in deciding which emails get sent to my spam folder apparently.

Disturbing if true that EAG sold that blue over oyster 6spd for $33k. And just angers me more that I was so close and the idiot dealer couldn't be bothered to take my deposit over the phone and said they'd call me back.

I'm going to stop monitoring the thread, unfortunately, you guys are a great bunch. As some have said, the thrill of the chase is not so much a thrill any longer. With this many people in the hunt and flippers like EAG, this is more like a mad obsession than an enthusiast's quest. There are still many enthusiast cars to choose from so I think I'll keep driving my E46 325xiT for a while longer and choose carefully. Certainly paying $33k for a 6spd manual station wagon is idiotic and I'm not going to get sucked into the irrationality fed by EAG.

A guy on the E46 forum had his pristine red over black 5spd manual RWD touring totaled by a red-light runner. He paid over $9k in 2017 and insurance wouldn't pay more than $5500 I think he said. Imagine if your EAG marked up special was totaled out in a wreck? That's a conversation I'd rather not have with my wife.

[CSBM5]

The funny thing about the algorithms insurance claims agents will use to value the E91? They will deduct value if the car has a 6MT.

Good point on insuring a 7 year old EAG wagon special...you would be lucky to get 1/2 what you paid for it if it was totaled driving off their lot.

[Inglewood]

Funny thing about KBB algorithms - same reduced value for 6MT. I didnt even think about the gap when insuring an e91 unicorn...very good point for consideration. Starting to make a F31 M Sport look better and better as an option - if they weren't so dead and lifeless.

I will say after driving a 430i rental car this week while on the road, that B46 engine is just about as fast as my 335i - and yet, somehow managed to average 35+ mpg doing 80ish on the highway all day. It certainly doesn't have the audible character or silky smoothness that the N52 possesses; however, it also almost doubles the fuel economy.

Just not sure I can live with giving up that third pedal...

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Inglewood

Funny thing about KBB algorithms - same reduced value for 6MT. I didnt even think about the gap when insuring an e91 unicorn...very good point for consideration. Starting to make a F31 M Sport look better and better as an option - if they weren't so dead and lifeless.

I will say after driving a 430i rental car this week while on the road, that B46 engine is just about as fast as my 335i - and yet, somehow managed to average 35+ mpg doing 80ish on the highway all day. It certainly doesn't have the audible character or silky smoothness that the N52 possesses; however, it also almost doubles the fuel economy.

Just not sure I can live with giving up that third pedal...

The flip side to buying a new 330i wagon is that the drive-off-the-lot depreciation is about 3/4 the amount a decent 2009 E91 costs. Plus you're stuck with x-drive no matter how much you don't want it (and electric power steering, 4cylinder clatter box, etc, etc).

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

The flip side to buying a new 330i wagon is that the drive-off-the-lot depreciation is about 3/4 the amount a decent 2009 E91 costs. Plus you're stuck with x-drive no matter how much you don't want it (and electric power steering, 4cylinder clatter box, etc, etc).

Even a nice used 40-50k mile, m-sport F31 was going to cost me $30-34k.

That was a pretty big deterrent to not buying an E91.

[Inglewood]

Yeah, I would never buy new...just cant swallow that depreciation hit. I always let someone else take the bath for me, so on the F31 front it would most likely be a 14-15 328d or 328i. The xDrive is not an issue as I actually prefer that setup for all weather practicality in the midwest. After owning an e90 M3 with blizzaks, I think my RWD days are over in the snow...as fun as that was. The electric steering is not a deal breaker for me; the clatter box dull drum may be.

[CSI]

Originally Posted by flipwils11

I'm going to stop monitoring the thread, unfortunately, you guys are a great bunch. As some have said, the thrill of the chase is not so much a thrill any longer. With this many people in the hunt and flippers like EAG, this is more like a mad obsession than an enthusiast's quest. There are still many enthusiast cars to choose from so I think I'll keep driving my E46 325xiT for a while longer and choose carefully. Certainly paying $33k for a 6spd manual station wagon is idiotic and I'm not going to get sucked into the irrationality fed by EAG.

A guy on the E46 forum had his pristine red over black 5spd manual RWD touring totaled by a red-light runner. He paid over $9k in 2017 and insurance wouldn't pay more than $5500 I think he said. Imagine if your EAG marked up special was totaled out in a wreck? That's a conversation I'd rather not have with my wife.

I completely agree. EAG can suck it. I have no clue how people do business with them. Even if I would grossly overpay for a vehicle, which I wouldn't, I would never do business with those dbags on principle. Gouging enthusiasts and pretending like they're doing us all a favor is disgusting.

I searched for a really long time for a 6mt m sport rwd e91. Very few came up for sale, and the ones that did were just priced way too high for what the car was. They're really not worth what the market is asking, to me anyway. So many better cars out there for the price. I ended up picking up an e39 M5 and couldn't be happier. Best car I've ever owned.

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by elons335i

Do not focus so much on mileage. Buy a car with a traceable maintenance record. Mileage is meaningless. If the car was "dealer maintained" - pass and keep looking. 15k oil change intervals are absurd for any sort of stratified injection.

You're buying an n52. Know the weak points like shitty electric water pumps, fuel pumps, cam bolts, ofhg, vcg, oil pan gasket, if auto (trans oil pan gasket and mechatronic sleeves) - are you handy? If so, all of those are diy. If not, get your preferred payment method ready.

Back to maintenance, check that diff fluid was replaced front and back for xdrive cars. Check transfer case for leaks. If over 100k, was trans fluid changed? If current owner starts pushing the lifetime fluid speech as per BMW - keep it moving. If manual, see if trans fluid was replaced, when replaced ask if the clutch delay valve was deleted.

Ask about door actuators and window motors. Were they replaced? If not, they will go bad very soon. If replaced, where? If at dealer - prepare to remove door cards and replace vapor barriers and butyl. If DIY? Ask if butyl was replaced? Why? You'll find out next time it rains.

Does it have xenons? Great. Check to see if both projectors are pointing straight, if one one is pointed down. You're baking headlights. No? Fine. You're buying new headlights.

Check right side fender. Green fluid? Super. Your windshield/headlight washed pump is leaking. Or both. Time to replace.

Lastly. Check hatch for leaks.

Sounds like a lot of problems? Thinking maybe it won't happen to me? Subaru Outback is a decent car after 2011 model year


You are now prepared for e91 ownership.

Good luck!

Man, I never had any of those problems in our E91. Early 05 build - are the later ones that much worse?

[elons335i]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Man, I never had any of those problems in our E91. Early 05 build - are the later ones that much worse?

lol. That's a compilation of all flaws.

That is literally nothing compared to e46 m3 ownership.