[M5Rick]

2035 still a long way away, manufacturers have been threatened, fined, have lost billions with jobs lost and public money squandered on EV refunds from the public purse instead of being returned back to the public with reduced taxes.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by g21

''Difficult, expensive,anxious'' are the key words when it's time to recharge many miles from home.

[Car-Addicted]

US to Sell Off Entire Northeast Gasoline Supply Reserve
03/05/2024
....the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for the fiscal year, a million barrels of the government's strategic reserve of petroleum would be sold off—the same amount as in the NGSR, which is located in New York Harbor, Boston, Massachusetts and South Portland, Maine.
"Upon the complete of such sale, the Secretary [of Energy] shall carry out the closure of the Northeast Gasoline Supply Reserve," the bill states, and "may not establish any new regional petroleum product reserve unless funding of the proposed regional petroleum product reserve is explicitly requested in advance in an annual budget."
The OBozo administration established the NGSR following the destruction caused by Superstorm Sandy in 2012, which left many in the northeast without gasoline.

Hmmm


You don't think the Government would be attempting to manipulate fuel prices?

[M5Rick]

''The EV experiment is failing''

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by g21

Our 6 hour EV charging disaster...how is it still this bad?

Maybe I have this whole EV thing wrong?
This is really about social networking.
EV's and their owners lined up to charge their cars at night in major metropolitan cities is a great way to meet new people.
Who doesn't want to get to know some Nuestra Familia gang members?
Maybe your curious about the 18th Street gang?
You might want to check out the Dodge City Crips or some of the boys from the Sinaloa Cartel?
You can discuss things you have in common like your wallet, jewelry, you car or your life?

Man how stupid do you have to be to place yourself in that kind of situation?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe I have this whole EV thing wrong?
This is really about social networking.
EV's and their owners lined up to charge their cars at night in major metropolitan cities is a great way to meet new people.
Who doesn't want to get to know some Nuestra Familia gang members?
Maybe your curious about the 18th Street gang?
You might want to check out the Dodge City Crips or some of the boys from the Sinaloa Cartel?
You can discuss things you have in common like your wallet, jewelry, you car or your life?

Man how stupid do you have to be to place yourself in that kind of situation?

Aha looking at tatos, gold teeth, scars on face,something poking out of their ripped top pocket leather jacket and just staring at you while your EV is charging then a 'what you looking at' Oh what a great way to meet people !

[loganwamon]

I think if you live in the city and can afford to have multiple vehicles, one of those vehicles being an EV could make sense. Nice little commuter, run around town vehicle, etc. But as someone who grew up in a rural area and still has to commute 40 min-1 hour in -30°C (or worse), I just still don't think EV is there yet. If I could afford a new plug-in hybrid I'd try one of those first probably.

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla shares slip 5% after suspected arson attack halts production at Berlin gigafactory
Mar 5 2024
Tesla’s gigafactory near Berlin is likely to be without power for several days and production is not expected to resume this week, Tesla’s Berlin factory head said, according to Reuters.
The facility is likely to be without power for several days and production is not expected to resume this week, Tesla’s Berlin factory head said,
Left-wing extremists the “Volcano Group” claimed responsibility for the attack in a letter posted to alternative news site Kontrapolis. “We sabotaged Tesla today,” it said, according to a Google translation, before denouncing the electric vehicle maker’s professed green credentials.
“These are either the dumbest eco-terrorists on Earth or they’re puppets of those who don’t have good environmental goals,” Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on X.
Environmental activists began occupying a forest close to Tesla’s Gruenheide plant last week in protest to the expansion plans. The occupation began late Wednesday, with demonstrators building a dozen treehouses across the wooded area.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/05/tesl...on-attack.html

Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by loganwamon

I think if you live in the city and can afford to have multiple vehicles, one of those vehicles being an EV could make sense.

Affordable local transportation is easy with the proper ICE choice and it doesn't carry the environmental impact of battery manufacturing, transportation and recycling.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Tesla shares slip 5% after suspected arson attack halts production at Berlin gigafactory
Mar 5 2024
Tesla’s gigafactory near Berlin is likely to be without power for several days and production is not expected to resume this week, Tesla’s Berlin factory head said, according to Reuters.
The facility is likely to be without power for several days and production is not expected to resume this week, Tesla’s Berlin factory head said,
Left-wing extremists the “Volcano Group” claimed responsibility for the attack in a letter posted to alternative news site Kontrapolis. “We sabotaged Tesla today,” it said, according to a Google translation, before denouncing the electric vehicle maker’s professed green credentials.
“These are either the dumbest eco-terrorists on Earth or they’re puppets of those who don’t have good environmental goals,” Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on X.
Environmental activists began occupying a forest close to Tesla’s Gruenheide plant last week in protest to the expansion plans. The occupation began late Wednesday, with demonstrators building a dozen treehouses across the wooded area.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/05/tesl...on-attack.html

Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It.

I saw a pop up earlier of this from AutoBild being in german of course but could just about make out the extremism and arson bits.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe I have this whole EV thing wrong?
This is really about social networking.
EV's and their owners lined up to charge their cars at night in major metropolitan cities is a great way to meet new people.
Who doesn't want to get to know some Nuestra Familia gang members?
Maybe your curious about the 18th Street gang?
You might want to check out the Dodge City Crips or some of the boys from the Sinaloa Cartel?
You can discuss things you have in common like your wallet, jewelry, you car or your life?

Man how stupid do you have to be to place yourself in that kind of situation?

No worry, they think they are driving the smart cars and everything become so smart. Their lives are bullet proof, fire proof, crash proof.....

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Aha looking at tatos, gold teeth, scars on face,something poking out of their ripped top pocket leather jacket and just staring at you while your EV is charging then a 'what you looking at' Oh what a great way to meet people !

And you and your car cannot run away. Oh man, I only have 1% left on my battery

[Car-Addicted]

Finally some truth
Volkswagen hit with 2 lawsuits claiming that a Porsche EV battery triggered the massive 2022 fire that sank a cargo ship with thousands of cars on board
March 5, 2024
Volkswagen AG faces a pair of lawsuits in Germany over claims it was the battery in a Porsche electric vehicle that triggered the 2022 fire onboard a massive cargo ship that eventually sank with thousands of cars on board.
One of the suits was filed in a court in Stuttgart where VW’s Porsche unit is based. The case was brought by half a dozen plaintiffs, including Mitsui OSK Lines Ltd., the ship’s operator, and Allianz SE, one of the insurers of the vessel, according to a spokesman for the tribunal.
The Panama-flagged Felicity Ace caught fire near the Azores archipelago in the Atlantic Ocean two years ago and was left adrift after the crew was rescued. An internal email from VW’s U.S. operations at the time revealed there were 3,965 vehicles aboard the ship. The cargo ship’s loss could have cost the automaker at least $155 million, according to a risk-modeling company’s estimate.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/0...housands-cars/

I'm sure all the typical players will be by to say we were right and they were wrong

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla Superchargers Cost More For Other EVs, Unless You Buy A Membership
The Tesla Supercharger network is opening up to other EVs. But charging costs extra for outsiders.
Tesla is charging owners of other EVs roughly 35% more per kilowatt-hour (kWh), according to rates listed on the company's app. Supercharging rates vary widely by location and time of day (some stations offer lower prices during off-peak hours), so that's just a ballpark.
At some locations, we observed a premium of closer to 37%, while at others it was as low as 23% during off-peak hours. However, Tesla is also offering a $12.99-per-month membership that grants other EV owners the same pricing that Tesla drivers get. That may be worth it, depending on how much one plans to Supercharge.
https://insideevs.com/news/710822/te...cost-ford-evs/

Just the other day my gas station told me I would have to pay 20 cents a gallon more unless I bought their membership.

[carseatsm5]

So many pages here. Did this WSJ op-ed get covered?

“Electric Cars Emit More Particulate Pollution”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/electri...icles-521b29e3

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by carseatsm5

So many pages here. Did this WSJ op-ed get covered?
“Electric Cars Emit More Particulate Pollution”

Read it but thought it was a little thin on facts and questionable logic?
This gets you around the WSI pay wall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...nt/ar-BB1jkotX

On a side note the EPA have recently lowered the particulate emissions to a ridiculous level making dust a pollutants.

[M5Rick]

Following on with this, add heavier EV tyres and brakes to the list.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Finally some truth
Volkswagen hit with 2 lawsuits claiming that a Porsche EV battery triggered the massive 2022 fire that sank a cargo ship with thousands of cars on board
March 5, 2024
Volkswagen AG faces a pair of lawsuits in Germany over claims it was the battery in a Porsche electric vehicle that triggered the 2022 fire onboard a massive cargo ship that eventually sank with thousands of cars on board.
One of the suits was filed in a court in Stuttgart where VW’s Porsche unit is based. The case was brought by half a dozen plaintiffs, including Mitsui OSK Lines Ltd., the ship’s operator, and Allianz SE, one of the insurers of the vessel, according to a spokesman for the tribunal.
The Panama-flagged Felicity Ace caught fire near the Azores archipelago in the Atlantic Ocean two years ago and was left adrift after the crew was rescued. An internal email from VW’s U.S. operations at the time revealed there were 3,965 vehicles aboard the ship. The cargo ship’s loss could have cost the automaker at least $155 million, according to a risk-modeling company’s estimate.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/0...housands-cars/

I'm sure all the typical players will be by to say we were right and they were wrong

Chances are it was an EV Tay can which set it off.

[M5Rick]

Felicity Mace.. eh, move on

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Just a reminder of the conditions for Cobalt miners in Congo that mine 80% of world use. No worries, it keeps families together. I wonder what the ratio of dead miners is to one EV battery?

There are three ways that cobalt can cause poisoning. You can swallow it, breathe it into your lungs, or have it come in prolonged contact with your skin.

TIL that oil refining to make gasoline does not use cobalt to remove sulfur. LOL.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Just a reminder of the conditions for Cobalt miners in Congo that mine 80% of world use. No worries, it keeps families together. I wonder what the ratio of dead miners is to one EV battery?

There are three ways that cobalt can cause poisoning. You can swallow it, breathe it into your lungs, or have it come in prolonged contact with your skin.

Good point. Double the children with delicate lungs to what it is with adults at a guess, something else the gub ment 'scientists' have been told not to audit.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

TIL that oil refining to make gasoline does not use cobalt to remove sulfur. LOL.

Nice try:
Which industries are the largest consumers of cobalt?
The battery industry, aerospace industry, alloy production industry, and the ceramic and glass industry are among the largest consumers of cobalt.