[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

The only thing V2 has is the ability to upgrade via the computer the new maps that come out vs Helix and other tuning companies...I like the fact that this function is able to be done by the user and not having to send the unit back to upgrade the tune or maps....As for power and performance I dunno, but the first reason alone will make me stay with the Procede, even with all its inherent problems!!!

Upgrading maps via the internet is definitely a competitive advantage that PROcede has over the others in the field. I am very surprised Helix decided to go against this.....

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

We should try and compile all V2 dynos done so far and see how the numbers compare to V1...

FYI this is why you don't piss customers off, unhappy emotions are MUCH stronger than happy ones. An unhappy customer is much more likely to go out of his way to let you and everyone else know he is unhappy. A simple apology or acknowledgment would have done it for me.



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[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Upgrading maps via the internet is definitely a competitive advantage that PROcede has over the others in the field. I am very surprised Helix decided to go against this.....

Yes I agree if Helix had implemented this feature into their design, I probably go with their tune...I don't understand why they went that route...The internet is definately an advantage that V2 has over them and for some, not all will make people purchase the V2 unit over theirs because of the convience of updating through the web...I am not one of those that are crazy for the most HP. Most of the V2 problems I will probably never have because I really don't take the car to the limit everyday like some of the OPs hear...

[E90ice]

i don't really see the huge benefit of the maps especially if it takes months to release one.

last time when the 2.02 map had a bug, Shiv was quick to fix it...but now with the Evo and STI crowd around the corner...it looks like it's taking them forever to release a map for DP's. so i don't really see the need for maps

give me a powerfull/safe tune. Period!

[OpenFlash]

Newsflash: The downpipe map is nothing more than a standard v2.0.2 map that has been adjusted for less top end boost taper. Basically takes 330whp (power output at 90%) to 360-370whp on pump gas. It's something that people can do themselves with the help of a boost gauge if they had too. But making a plug-in map for everyone to use, in all conditions, is a bit tougher.

And please stop making a big deal about us tuning Evos. We've done it for the last 5 years. It is not slowing things down with respect to BMW development.

Shiv

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by E90ice

I know. most people are dynoing at 330whp.

personally, i think the helix attache is going to kick serious V2 ass.

You think attache is better but you have procede? Or you dont have procede and just want to talk shit? not try to be a f'n ass hole just wanted to know cause your avatar says, got procede?

I should have my car dyno'd thursday so Ill post it up.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

You think attache is better but you have procede? Or you dont have procede and just want to talk shit? not try to be a f'n ass hole just wanted to know cause your avatar says, got procede?

I should have my car dyno'd thursday so Ill post it up.

He has PROcede V2 and has dynoed at those numbers, that is why he said that....

[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Off topic, but I too believe that the Attache will set the new standard for complex piggybacks...

NO WAY! I have faith in my boo. (shiv)

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Newsflash: The downpipe map is nothing more than a standard v2.0.2 map that has been adjusted for less top end boost taper. Basically takes 330whp (power output at 90%) to 360-370whp on pump gas. It's something that people can do themselves with the help of a boost gauge if they had too. But making a plug-in map for everyone to use, in all conditions, is a bit tougher.
Shiv

But:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We've not recommended RPM-specific user TQ tweaks simply to keep things easy. Especially for those who aren't familiar with conducting and reviewing datalog files. But there is no reason why you can't do his in order to smoothen our your boost curve. Just don't get to carried away with things. Don't let boost go above 14.5-15psi anywhere. And don't try to eliminate top end boost taper completely. It will always be there and is a function of turbo capacity.

Shiv

[rideelement247]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Newsflash: The downpipe map is nothing more than a standard v2.0.2 map that has been adjusted for less top end boost taper. Basically takes 330whp (power output at 90%) to 360-370whp on pump gas. It's something that people can do themselves with the help of a boost gauge if they had too. But making a plug-in map for everyone to use, in all conditions, is a bit tougher.

And please stop making a big deal about us tuning Evos. We've done it for the last 5 years. It is not slowing things down with respect to BMW development.

Shiv

Hey Shiv,

What is the current ETA on those maps? I will be working on my downpipes once you release the software for it. Are you also going tointegrate O2 simms in the next map? I know you guys are working very hard, but I am like a kid on christmas.

Thanks!

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

He has PROcede V2 and has dynoed at those numbers, that is why he said that....

Oh, thanks for telling me. Different dynos show different numbers for some reason i tried to dyno my car yesterday on a mustang dyno and got only stock 254rwhp! WTF! The more important thing is to see the difference in stock number vs upgrade numbers.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

Oh, thanks for telling me. Different dynos show different numbers for some reason i tried to dyno my car yesterday on a mustang dyno and got only stock 254rwhp! WTF! The more important thing is to see the difference in stock number vs upgrade numbers.

+1, completely agree with that statement....

My advice is for everyone to try and get on a dynojet since that is what Shiv always uses....

Also, use STD correction and smoothing of 5 since that is the "335i industry standard"

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by rideelement247

Hey Shiv,

What is the current ETA on those maps? I will be working on my downpipes once you release the software for it. Are you also going tointegrate O2 simms in the next map? I know you guys are working very hard, but I am like a kid on christmas.

Thanks!

Unfortunately, we've spent 6hrs on this forum dealing O-cha, just today alone. The maps are done. I've been running it in my car for over a month. Just dialing in the o2 simulation feature right now. Want to release it all the same time. Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit of driving before the cat test cycle completes. So that means we have to make a change, drive 50 miles, make another change, drive another 50 miles and so on. As I understand it, most people don't even have their downpipes yet. And the standard v2.0.2 map will work just fine with them. They'll just be overly conservative above 5500rpm.

Shiv

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Has anyone dyno'd v2 at 100%, what was the result?

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Unfortunately, we've spent 6hrs on this forum dealing O-cha, just today alone.

Shiv

Maybe instead of ignoring the issues I bring up until other people start realizing them themselves would save you some time?

I'm sorry if you think pressure being read by the procede and actual pressure in the manifold being different is not an issue worth your time.

I for one would like the base map to work right, shame on me.

[Supramano]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

Oh, thanks for telling me. Different dynos show different numbers for some reason i tried to dyno my car yesterday on a mustang dyno and got only stock 254rwhp! WTF! The more important thing is to see the difference in stock number vs upgrade numbers.

those numbers are fine for a mustang dyno...they work differently than the dynojet. I had a dyno done on a mustang dyno too, one the dealership uses so its not tweaked in anyway to read better. With v2 on valet mode i had 270s hp 260s torque...and with the v2 activated it ran 332hp and 337torque i believe. Thats 60hp at thew wheels, which i think is about right. I also have many mods stock so thats why mines more then your 254....nothing to worry about though...go to a dynojet if you wanna stroke your ego.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Supramano

those numbers are fine for a mustang dyno...they work differently than the dynojet. I had a dyno done on a mustang dyno too, one the dealership uses so its not tweaked in anyway to read better. With v2 on valet mode i had 270s hp 260s torque...and with the v2 activated it ran 332hp and 337torque i believe. Thats 60hp at thew wheels, which i think is about right. I also have many mods stock so thats why mines more then your 254....nothing to worry about though...go to a dynojet if you wanna stroke your ego.

Supramano...did you reinstall you AA?? If so did you see those high boost also???

[rideelement247]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Unfortunately, we've spent 6hrs on this forum dealing O-cha, just today alone. The maps are done. I've been running it in my car for over a month. Just dialing in the o2 simulation feature right now. Want to release it all the same time. Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit of driving before the cat test cycle completes. So that means we have to make a change, drive 50 miles, make another change, drive another 50 miles and so on. As I understand it, most people don't even have their downpipes yet. And the standard v2.0.2 map will work just fine with them. They'll just be overly conservative above 5500rpm.

Shiv

I know everything will work fine, just hate those damn CELs. Did you happen to shoot Abid a copy of that DP map? Also, if you gave him a copy, does it have the O2 simm feature? Thak you for your reply and I am sorry for all the impatience you receive around here .

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Newsflash: The downpipe map is nothing more than a standard v2.0.2 map that has been adjusted for less top end boost taper. Basically takes 330whp (power output at 90%) to 360-370whp on pump gas. It's something that people can do themselves with the help of a boost gauge if they had too. But making a plug-in map for everyone to use, in all conditions, is a bit tougher.

And please stop making a big deal about us tuning Evos. We've done it for the last 5 years. It is not slowing things down with respect to BMW development.

Shiv

Shiv,

I was reading on the EVO forums a while back and there was a "how to" on making your own race gas map. Now i'm not going to even inquire as to why it hasn't been introduced here because we all already know (crybabies & incompetent self installers), but will it be available to some of us ANYWHERE in the future?

thanks

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by rideelement247

I know everything will work fine, just hate those damn CELs. Did you happen to shoot Abid a copy of that DP map? Also, if you gave him a copy, does it have the O2 simm feature? Thak you for your reply and I am sorry for all the impatience you receive around here .

We aren't going to activate the built-in o2 sim feature until its done. To anyone. God forbid it doesn't work as expected and we need to make a map update You can always buy an o2 simulator device now and stop those codes if waiting is not an option.

-shiv

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by rideelement247

I know everything will work fine, just hate those damn CELs. Did you happen to shoot Abid a copy of that DP map? Also, if you gave him a copy, does it have the O2 simm feature? Thak you for your reply and I am sorry for all the impatience you receive around here .

Even if he did, i doubt he would tell you on a public forum. thats a PM question BTW.

[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We aren't going to activate the built-in o2 sim feature until its done. To anyone. God forbid it doesn't work as expected and we need to make a map update You can always buy an o2 simulator device now and stop those codes if waiting is not an option.

-shiv

What? No thanks. I'll let you handle it. Boo