[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Shiv,

I am not trying to derail this thread, but Adrian has to stop posting stuff about ECU reflashes without proof. If a new forum member is reading all this, then they will determine that procede is the best thing since sliced bread!

Besides, there was a good question there which I think is valid for this thread: where is procede's feature for modifying the coolant pump duty cycle under extreme heat conditions? I thought since Procede has this fantastic ability to use the CAN bus, this should not be a problem, right?

Wouldn't you think that reduced engine heat will also reduce the tendency for the engine to knock?

that what this whole thread is about... new forum members -- and their knowledge of tuning. the debated point of DME vs piggy based on merits should (at this point) not extend into the various feature sets, but whether the tune follows good logic and proper (ethical) tuning practices.

no one yet as modified the water pump signal short of BMW and Dinan... but does that make another tune suspect? if its operating characteristic are logical and do not violate tuning principles this sounds to be a "de-rail" --

i believe if GIAC (whom im very very impressed with) could have done it with realitive ease they would have accomplished this task... does it make their release any less than Dinans?

let try to stay on track... i suggested the book, you posted the link... now its time to understand some of the other basics... which im sure you are quite aware of

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

If anything GIAC has a lot more experience in tuning engines than Vishnu and BMS combined! EASILY!

While I do agree GIAC has experience. They are not without fault. Their throttle cut issues on the B5 S4 were known and never addressed. That yo-yo effect was unpleasant.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Shiv, one final question and I will "admit defeat": What is your source? Can't make claims without source!

I don't want or need you to "admit defeat." But as someone who spends 40hrs a week, for the last 5 years, testing and developing tunes for our BMWs, I think I can cite myself as a source. If you have any souces that suggest that my statements are wrong or that those features do in fact exist in any reflash tunes, please let me know. My primary focus is the development of our tuning solution, not to stay on top of what are competitors at doing at any given time. Unless it involves spreading misinformation (see this thread as an example).

Regards
shiv

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

CPS itself is largely a useless feature. It would not have helped Sevak or any meth/race gas owner as they all disable it. It has not proven to help pump gas numbers or reliability either. Also as I said in an earlier post BMS is playing with some new CAN commands that influence the advance set point so at some point CPS itself might be obsolete as well. But for those that want it they've included it on the PRO board as it was easy to add on. The PRO board will follow the G4, but I don't have a firm ETA for you. Once the PRO board is out you should swing by and pop it into your car and give it a test

Mike

Wait a minute. The new BMS tune, that features "autotuning," CPS offsetting, and CAN integration like the PROcede, in an extrusion that looks an awful lot like the PROcede and uses the same connectors and harness as the PROcede is going to be named the PRO board?

You couldn't write this shit.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by scalbert

While I do agree GIAC has experience. They are not without fault. Their throttle cut issues on the B5 S4 were known and never addressed. That yo-yo effect was unpleasant.

I understand that and this is exactly my point I am trying to make here: noone is perfect!

Unfortunately, everything that I have seen in these forums from Vishnu leads to the belief that their Procede unit is "heaven on Earth".

Someone, please, show me actual data log comparison between ECU reflash and Procede in regards to engine timing and convince me that Procede is doing a better job. I think this will be helpful to all of us here.

Until then, you can argue all you want, but the truth is that nothing manages the engine better than the code running natively inside the stock DME!

P.S.:
At the end of the day, I really don't care much about fancy features like pressing the DTC button to change maps. I care about proper engine management because unlike some owners here, I will be keeping my car for years to come and I care more about engine longevity than owning a drag strip sledge hammer!

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

At the end of the day, I really don't care much about fancy features like pressing the DTC button to change maps. I care about proper engine management because unlike some owners here, I will be keeping my car for years to come and I care more about engine longevity than owning a drag strip sledge hammer!

Hold on Lone Ranger. Running stock maps should take care of your concerns and wouldn't cost you a dime. Now, hop back on Silver and disappear in a cloud of dust.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Hold on Lone Ranger. Running stock maps should take care of your concerns and wouldn't cost you a dime. Now, hop back on Silver and disappear in a cloud of dust.

+100

[Clap135]

+1000

[JoeyFiasco]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Wait a minute. The new BMS tune, that features "autotuning," CPS offsetting, and CAN integration like the PROcede, in an extrusion that looks an awful lot like the PROcede and uses the same connectors and harness as the PROcede is going to be named the PRO board?

You couldn't write this shit.

burn..

[kenneth]

This thread has received 29,225 views. Amazing! I wonder if it means 29,225 members viewed this thread?

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by kenneth

Amazing! I wonder if it means 29,225 members viewed this thread?

huh, every time you visit the threat it increases the view count. I've probably viewed it 50 times just for the entertainment value.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Hold on Lone Ranger. Running stock maps should take care of your concerns and wouldn't cost you a dime. Now, hop back on Silver and disappear in a cloud of dust.

+ 1 X 45645926724

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Hold on Lone Ranger. Running stock maps should take care of your concerns and wouldn't cost you a dime. Now, hop back on Silver and disappear in a cloud of dust.

ha ha, I lol'd...

Nice one lawdude, hopefully he takes your advice.

[fisherbln]

Originally Posted by kenneth

This thread has received 29,225 views. Amazing! I wonder if it means 29,225 members viewed this thread?

I read every post and have only commented once before this. I am learning a TON. Keep it up guys!

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Wait a minute. The new BMS tune, that features "autotuning," CPS offsetting, and CAN integration like the PROcede, in an extrusion that looks an awful lot like the PROcede and uses the same connectors and harness as the PROcede is going to be named the PRO board?

You couldn't write this shit.

HAHA. I never noticed that. Nice observation

[adrian@vishnu]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Until then, you can argue all you want, but the truth is that nothing manages the engine better than the code running natively inside the stock DME!

I am not sure if you are reading your own posts here.... it is quite comical for me!! How is it that you can state the "truth" without any supporting "proof", but if I make a statement, I have to provide proof or it should be removed so as to not influence newbies. Do you even see what you are doing?

I have no proof of what GIAC can do. I can say that the only feature I have observed that goes beyond adjust standard tables in the BMW binary is that they do the map switching. The map switch just means that they have hacked the part of the code that recieves the CAN data to receive a new command that is generated by their map switcher, and in response to that they add an offset to the boost target. So although I have no proof they have not rewritten algorithms... I also see no proof that they have. That is my opinion.

It is really difficult to have a discussion when someone childishly asks for proof of anything that they don;t like the sound of. I didn't know I was in a courtroom.

Adrian

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Wait a minute. The new BMS tune, that features "autotuning," CPS offsetting, and CAN integration like the PROcede, in an extrusion that looks an awful lot like the PROcede and uses the same connectors and harness as the PROcede is going to be named the PRO board?

And some how it will cost a lot less from Terry.

[R1000K3]

Originally Posted by adrian@vishnu

I am not sure if you are reading your own posts here.... it is quite comical for me!! How is it that you can state the "truth" without any supporting "proof", but if I make a statement, I have to provide proof or it should be removed so as to not influence newbies. Do you even see what you are doing?

I have no proof of what GIAC can do. I can say that the only feature I have observed that goes beyond adjust standard tables in the BMW binary is that they do the map switching. The map switch just means that they have hacked the part of the code that recieves the CAN data to receive a new command that is generated by their map switcher, and in response to that they add an offset to the boost target. So although I have no proof they have not rewritten algorithms... I also see no proof that they have. That is my opinion.

It is really difficult to have a discussion when someone childishly asks for proof of anything that they don;t like the sound of. I didn't know I was in a courtroom.

Adrian

+1

[DefactoM6]

I would like to applaud the discussion going on here. Probably one of the most properly technical discussions I've seen on this forum...seeing the huge number of "wich xhaust b bestest" threads just made me depressed thinking about how much the intellectual capacity of the BMW "enthusiast" has declined. I hope that Clap doesn't tap out of here just because of some silly backpedaling and mudslinging, seeing how he actually knows a thing or two about tuning. Carry on, the discussion of actual hardware stuff is way over my head, and I'm actually having to learn something on my own for once!

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I am not trying to derail this thread, but Adrian has to stop posting stuff about ECU reflashes without proof. If a new forum member is reading all this, then they will determine that procede is the best thing since sliced bread!

Did you notice how they don't comment anything at all about their Air-Fuel ratios ? Strange, isn't it ?

[enrita]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Did you notice how they don't comment anything at all about their Air-Fuel ratios ? Strange, isn't it ?

Than there must be something wrong with my AFR since it goes low 10 ....

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by enrita

Than there must be something wrong with my AFR since it goes low 10 ....

Do you receive tuner codes or other error codes ?