[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Litos

i don't know my friend i'm not as advanced in this tuning stuff as i need to be, BUT, i have pretty much read the first 177 posts and been involved in the last 150 or so - i'm asking the questions that need to be answered based on the actual argument in this thread.

as of this post, no one knowledgable enough can actually tell us that the dip in timing is 100% knock.

I dont have the tool at hand to show anyone anything. Nor the care to waste my time in real life. (internet life is a little different )

Fact remains, why would it pull ignition?

For shits and giggles?

Last but not least, why would a stock tuned car, on race gas, not have ignition drop outs?

[Brian135i]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

On a side note to others this whole proof thing has been abused, and its quite childish.

Basic Engine Tuning Theory still applies here...

Ignition
Fuel
Boost

Can you control them?

+1

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Litos

so from 2007 when the TT N54 was released, all of these JB3/JB4/Procede cars have been unhappy !??!

Cobb has been out for a month or so. for the last 4 years tens of thousands of people all over the world have been running JB3/JB4/Procedes on their cars !?!?

too little too late or is that just proving that the design of the engine can handle knock all over the place - as it does even in stock conditions !?!?

The procede always had Cps offsetting to reduce ignition. The only way to keep a JB car happy is to run meth or race gas since it cannot offset or directly control ignition.

If you enjoy your jb4 more power to you. I have one as well, but only run it on meth.

[Clap135]

Almost 15k views hopefully at least 1 person realizes Wtf they are doing by running a juice box. Maybe at 20k we will have two. Talk about stubborn and ignorant to facts.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I dont have the tool at hand to show anyone anything. Nor the care to waste my time in real life. (internet life is a little different )

Fact remains, why would it pull ignition?

For shits and giggles?

Last but not least, why would a stock tuned car, on race gas, not have ignition drop outs?

good post, bro, but it still didn't answer my question HAHA !!!!

i'm not being dicky here, but i think everyone is waiting for some miracle guy, specifically with a deep and agressive German voice to say "timing dips is 100% knock".

we're all guessing here at this point.

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by themyst

Why else would timing drop out? It's common sense really, and I'm surprised this thread escalated as far as it did. Timing drops, it's knock, timing doesn't drop, car is happy. This isn't fucking rocket science you retards.

Cobb disagrees

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Litos

good post, bro, but it still didn't answer my question HAHA !!!!

i'm not being dicky here, but i think everyone is waiting for some miracle guy, specifically with a deep and agressive German voice to say "timing dips is 100% knock".

we're all guessing here at this point.

I'm just looking for guesses at this point, if its not knock, what is it?

Did a little birdy fly into the ecu and say chirp chirp, "reduce ignition cause i said so MR."

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Rysandro

Cobb disagrees

Cobb also said some guys piston was hitting the head when it was an exhaust leak....

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

On a side note to others this whole proof thing has been abused, and its quite childish.

Basic Engine Tuning Theory still applies here...

Ignition
Fuel
Boost

Can you control them?

BMW couldn't in stock form.....

[Litos]

Originally Posted by themyst

The procede always had Cps offsetting to reduce ignition. The only way to keep a JB car happy is to run meth or race gas since it cannot offset or directly control ignition.

If you enjoy your jb4 more power to you. I have one as well, but only run it on meth.

i'm happy with the JB4, eventhough i only had it for 3 days HA !!!!

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Almost 15k views hopefully at least 1 person realizes Wtf they are doing by running a juice box. Maybe at 20k we will have two. Talk about stubborn and ignorant to facts.

if i keep running my JB4 on Map 1, like i intend, and for some reason my car implodes, i'll be the first one to say "you told me so".

until then, i don't see any reason to KNOCK the JB4 (see what i did there) if thousands of JB3/JB4 powered cars have survived over the the last 3 or 4 years.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Litos

BMW couldn't in stock form.....

Correction. Not in all conditions but in most. Where as the jb makes the Ecu fail.to control it properly every single time.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Litos

BMW couldn't in stock form.....

Uh? BMW Controls Ignition Fuel and Boost just fine.
You dont think this car is running on hopes and dreams do ya?

People need to work on reading words for what they are, I said CONTROL.

It CONTROLS it....


Some tunes cant even CONTROL, in this context, ALTER.

See definition- The power to direct or determine.

Not all tunes can do that.

[Clap135]

I can survive belly flopping of a 30 foot cliff....but why not go feet first instead?

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Uh? BMW Controls Ignition Fuel and Boost just fine.
You dont think this car is running on hopes and dreams do ya?

It "knocks" (No it doesn't BMW and Cobb are smarter than that)

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Uh? BMW Controls Ignition Fuel and Boost just fine.
You dont think this car is running on hopes and dreams do ya?

People need to work on reading words for what they are, I said CONTROL.

It CONTROLS it....


Some tunes cant even CONTROL, in this context, ALTER.

but it still knocks on only 7psi.

why would ANY car knock AT ALL in stock form.

shouldn't THAT be the main concern !?!?

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I'm just looking for guesses at this point, if its not knock, what is it?

Did a little birdy fly into the ecu and say chirp chirp, "reduce ignition cause i said so MR."

HAHA !!!

you paddle on that side and i'll take this side cuz we're in the same boat.

**keeping my eyes peeled for the information that someone has to know**

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Rysandro

It "knocks" (No it doesn't BMW and Cobb are smarter than that)

I know you want to be cute and we appreciate it, but what are you offering here besides your one liners?

How many cars have you tuned in your life time?

I rest my case.

Originally Posted by Litos

but it still knocks on only 7psi.

why would ANY car knock AT ALL in stock form.

shouldn't THAT be the main concern !?!?

No because as its been repeated IDK 20+ times, many cars knock in stock form.
Inclusive of that is the ever so popular Evo's.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I know you want to be cute and we appreciate it, but what are you offering here besides your one liners?

How many cars have you tuned in your life time?

I rest my case.

No because as its been repeated IDK 20+ times, many cars knock in stock form.
Inclusive of that is the ever so popular Evo's.

so based on "any kind of knock being bad", why would it be so bad for a JB3/JB4 car to knock, when the car knocks in stock form ??

is there a level of knock to go by ??

car A knocks on 7psi this much
car A knocks on 13psi this much

.........AND, is there a chart that clearly says, if you knock that much your car is going to burn in a pile full of dead babies.......

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I know you want to be cute and we appreciate it, but what are you offering here besides your one liners?

How many cars have you tuned in your life time?

I rest my case.

Oh yes, please post another "Tuning 101" or "Timing 101" links so I can learn to be a tuner the same way you did.

You guys are regurgitating the same line over and over, "pulled timing is knock"

Ill just repeat the fact that Cobb (they are a better tuner than you) disagrees.

[butters1234]

My car is happy with a cobb 93oct tune. Never seen it pull timing in any gear on any log.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

No because as its been repeated IDK 20+ times, many cars knock in stock form.
Inclusive of that is the ever so popular Evo's.

my SRT4 began knocking somewhere @ 19psi. anything under 18 would be fine. that was on pump gas with basic boltons.