Diesel Fuel Additives?

Torqu3 · 03-23-2017, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by aaddam2

not a fuel additive, but oil additive (engine treatment) and/or different oil. a co-worker just told me he uses this on his ecoboost mustang. was curious if you additive/chemically inclined people might have heard or had any experience with "Cerma STM-3 for Diesel"

they have one where it is good for 30k miles and you are supposed to change your filter @ regular intervals.

so the real trick claimed with treatment aka additive (not the oil itself) is it takes the dirty oil and when you add the treatment it uses heat and the carbon to make silicon carbide surface on everything so it is no porous.

Novel additive/oil that is out shadowed by "big oil", or snake oil?

For whatever reason I just refuse to use oil additive. Just some subconscious voice telling me no. That said, are they claiming you can go 30k miles between oil changes with only filter changes? I would run far and fast. Oil changes are cheap, and if something goes wrong because your oil is shitty, they repair bill is going to be huge. With regular oil and filter changes with quality oil, you shouldn't have any issues. Same concept applies to fuel additives. As long as it isn't sitting and quality stuff is used, life is good.

aaddam2 · 03-23-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqu3

For whatever reason I just refuse to use oil additive. Just some subconscious voice telling me no. That said, are they claiming you can go 30k miles between oil changes with only filter changes? I would run far and fast. Oil changes are cheap, and if something goes wrong because your oil is shitty, they repair bill is going to be huge. With regular oil and filter changes with quality oil, you shouldn't have any issues. Same concept applies to fuel additives. As long as it isn't sitting and quality stuff is used, life is good.

I feel the same way. but upon my research Liquid Moly has Ceratec which seems to be the same type of deal. and LM is more of a name I trust since they have LM sponsored cars (though that doesnt mean much). I am about to try a bottle of the LM Ceratec in my girlfriends 110k mile turd ford fusion to see if there is any difference.

I currently run kleen in my D now. dont really notice a difference, hoping it would clear up my slightly rougher idle (assuming it is due to CBU).

EvanTheBruce · 03-24-2017, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaddam2

not a fuel additive, but oil additive (engine treatment) and/or different oil. a co-worker just told me he uses this on his ecoboost mustang. was curious if you additive/chemically inclined people might have heard or had any experience with "Cerma STM-3 for Diesel"

they have one where it is good for 30k miles and you are supposed to change your filter @ regular intervals.

so the real trick claimed with treatment aka additive (not the oil itself) is it takes the dirty oil and when you add the treatment it uses heat and the carbon to make silicon carbide surface on everything so it is no porous.

Novel additive/oil that is out shadowed by "big oil", or snake oil?

I'm not really big into oil additives, I know someone here was running archoil though and provided oil analysis for it.

I run Precision turbo's HPL 5-30 diesel oil. It's $16 a quart, but I get it for a drastically reduced cost. One of my friends I studied engineering with works at Precision turbo and their shop is 10 minutes from my house. I'll be working on getting oil analysis done and forum discounts once I gauge more interest. I'll have a thread up relatively soon about it.

007_e350 · 04-07-2017, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EvanTheBruce

I'm not really big into oil additives, I know someone here was running archoil though and provided oil analysis for it.

I run Precision turbo's HPL 5-30 diesel oil. It's $16 a quart, but I get it for a drastically reduced cost. One of my friends I studied engineering with works at Precision turbo and their shop is 10 minutes from my house. I'll be working on getting oil analysis done and forum discounts once I gauge more interest. I'll have a thread up relatively soon about it.

would be curious to see if this is all hoax or real ...

Archoil
Turbo Maxx
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raptor_f22 · 04-08-2017, 10:02 AM

Archoil stuff has always worked for me. Great products and results

007_e350 · 04-09-2017, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by raptor_f22

Archoil stuff has always worked for me. Great products and results

what difference did you feel ?

335dsleeper · 04-09-2017, 12:13 PM

That video is interesting and not sure how that test relates to use in an internal combustion engine.

I have two personal experiences with Archoil completely fixing a problem that otherwise would have required replacement parts.

First, I had a 2005 Excursion with the 6.0 PSD. I had replaced countless injectors and always had an issue with stiction and experienced difficult cold starts. I tried rev-x, hot shot secrets and countless other fuel and oil additives with no change in the vehicles behavior. I constantly replaced injectors and it'd be OK for a few thousand miles but eventually, the systems always came back. I was at my wits end. I heard about archoil and ordered some. Within the first 45 minutes, the archoil completley cured my PSD of stiction and I never again had a cold start issue, even in sub zero temps in the VT mountains. I put another 70-80k miles on the engine before I sold it. In that time, I never had another stiction or cold start issue.

Second, I picked up a 1995 E34 525i for a turbo project. The M50 engine handles boost exceedingly well. I intended on keeping the engine stock and simply replacing the head bolts with ARP studs one at a time in order to keep the OEM head gasket intact for the build. I was going to use E85, which would benefit from the stock compression ratio. I picked the car up and drove it home, someone had stolen the cat so it was loud. Once I got the car quited down, i realized it had significant lifter noise. I was pretty bummed as I wasn't really motivated to replace the lifters... As a last ditch effort, I threw in some archoil. Within minutes the lifter noise was completely gone. To this day, the lifter noise is still gone.

I have been running archoil in everything... differentials, transfer-case, quads, tractor, diesel and gasoline engines etc. All of my friends now run it in their cars/ trucks too, all with similar results.

I do not doubt the test in the video, just don't know how it translates to effectiveness in an internal combustion engine or differential. An item of note, Archoil is a friction modifier but it also contains detergents that help with lubricating and cleaning tight tolerance areas like injectors and lifters.

I have and will continue to use it.

totitan · 04-23-2017, 05:16 PM

I add 1/4 oz/gal of Optilube every time I buy fuel. At 98000 miles I have never had to replace a injector or glow plug. Are the two related? Who knows? PL says no way but circumstantial evidence says yes. My original intent was to increase the lubricity which Optilube does. If other benefits occur its a bonus.

Torqu3 · 04-24-2017, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by totitan

I add 1/4 oz/gal of Optilube every time I buy fuel. At 98000 miles I have never had to replace a injector or glow plug. Are the two related? Who knows? PL says no way but circumstantial evidence says yes. My original intent was to increase the lubricity which Optilube does. If other benefits occur its a bonus.

Does fuel affect glow plugs at all? I was under the impression it didn't.

totitan · 04-24-2017, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Torqu3

Does fuel affect glow plugs at all? I was under the impression it didn't.

It stands to reason that cleaner and more complete combustion would be beneficial to glow plug life but since I have not researched the topic its just an assumption.

Miko226 · 04-27-2017, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Torqu3

Does fuel affect glow plugs at all? I was under the impression it didn't.

i highly doubt this.

N52UNED · 08-29-2017, 03:16 PM

Although it's not a BMW and may depend on the year of your car .... I was told by a Ford diesel mechanic to use 2-cycle oil every fill up for my Ford F-350 7.3l (I do it every other). Using 2-cycle oil has been written about on diesel truck forums ever since the US switched to low-sulfur highway diesel. I've been running 2-cycle as an additive for about 6 years / 50k miles (haven't been driving it much the past couple of years)

It's said to keep your injectors from burning up. As today's diesel is considered a "dry" diesel compared the a "wet" diesel of yesteryear. I doesn't take much ... I use at least 16 fl oz for a 24 gal fill up (30gal tank). The correct ratio is said to be 1oz of 2-cycle per gal of diesel.

Lots of people state with the addition of the 2-cycle oil they have seen 1-2 mpg gain. Personally I haven't paid much attention to mpg ... it's a big truck it's gonna get crap mpg. However I do notice it runs quieter.

Outside of the 2-Cycle about once a couple month or so I'll add Diesel Kleen instead to clean the injectors a bit.

aaddam2 · 09-06-2017, 12:29 PM

useless update: but I am running LM Ceratec in my car for the past 4-5k miles and I dont really notice a difference, i have a couple of track days with it too, so nothing catastrophic happened. i saved a lil bit of my old oil (no additives) and will save a lil bit of this when i change it at approx 7k. I intend on sending it out to blackstone and see if there is any differences in the levels of metals present to see if the additive actually did reduce wear.

update with some data soon to come.

330MX · 09-29-2017, 09:32 PM

BG 244. Half a quart in a full tank of gas every 10K miles or so. Just used it recently for the first time and immediately felt the engine running smoother. MPG increase was slight but absolutely a smoother/quieter running engine. Not sold at your local auto parts store but is avail on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/BG244-Diesel-...dp/B00K0WR7VI/

Searcher · 11-17-2017, 03:16 AM

I am having great success with HotShotsSecret additives. I ran their Extreme Diesel in 1 tank and my sticky injector issue is GONE!!!!!! Love it....I am running the Everyday Diesel Treatment now and like it so much better than LubriMoly or Diesel Kleen....This last tank I went 464 miles and I don’t have a lite foot...

Asonchadwick · 03-11-2018, 10:07 PM

Just saw a new product at walmart its duralube def cleaner fuel additive and fuel system treatment. Anyone use this yet?

Its got some chemicals in it i have never heard of before. Ill try it and see since i still have my def.

KRB_E90 · 03-16-2018, 09:02 PM

I use Würth diesel injector cleaner with every fill up. It's cleared up some bad gas issues as I feel the diesel in north jersey is not that great.

dmanb2b · 03-17-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KRB_E90

I use Würth diesel injector cleaner with every fill up. It's cleared up some bad gas issues as I feel the diesel in north jersey is not that great.

You run gas in your d? Just kidding. I have had great luck with hot shots diesel extreme, buttery quiet injectors now. Nice to see another local d. I work in Orange cty, NY

Blown284 · 03-29-2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Searcher

I am having great success with HotShotsSecret additives. I ran their Extreme Diesel in 1 tank and my sticky injector issue is GONE!!!!!! Love it....I am running the Everyday Diesel Treatment now and like it so much better than LubriMoly or Diesel Kleen....This last tank I went 464 miles and I don’t have a lite foot...

Can you speak to how or if this worked for the sticky injector issue? Thanks!

Torqu3 · 03-30-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Blown284

Can you speak to how or if this worked for the sticky injector issue? Thanks!

Just about everyone on the Facebook group is running this stuff with phenomenal results. We also have an active discount code for Facebook group members.

Pierre Louis · 03-30-2018, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqu3

Just about everyone on the Facebook group is running this stuff with phenomenal results. We also have an active discount code for Facebook group members.

Gee, I get "phenomenal" results running brand name diesel, no aftermarket additives, no waste...

Now at total 650,000 miles on my diesels....

If I did have sticky injectors, I would use an additive which is basically their original purpose.

Torqu3 · 03-30-2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pierre Louis

Gee, I get "phenomenal" results running brand name diesel, no aftermarket additives, no waste...

Now at total 650,000 miles on my diesels....

If I did have sticky injectors, I would use an additive which is basically their original purpose.

Gee, some of us aren't that fortunate. A lot of places have shit quality diesel, regardless of the pump you go to.

From what I have seen, everyone running the Hot Shot's Secret Diesel Extreme(Here's some info: https://www.hotshotsecret.com/diesel-extreme/) and/or EDT(More info: https://www.hotshotsecret.com/edt-ev...sel-treatment/) see a 2-3mpg increase(I have tested this myself, and can confirm), less smoke on deleted cars(I have tested this myself, and can confirm), more power from the butt dyno(I have tested this myself, and can confirm), and quieter injectors(I have tested this myself, and can confirm). On top of that it has been known to clear injector codes on more than one occasion.

You can say just fuel is good, and sure it's "good enough", but until you try an additive, don't knock it. Or are you scared you'll be satisfied

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335dsleeper Banned 389 Rep 1,622 Posts Drives: 09' 335d 10'35D Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk, va iTrader: (0)	That video is interesting and not sure how that test relates to use in an internal combustion engine. I have two personal experiences with Archoil completely fixing a problem that otherwise would have required replacement parts. First, I had a 2005 Excursion with the 6.0 PSD. I had replaced countless injectors and always had an issue with stiction and experienced difficult cold starts. I tried rev-x, hot shot secrets and countless other fuel and oil additives with no change in the vehicles behavior. I constantly replaced injectors and it'd be OK for a few thousand miles but eventually, the systems always came back. I was at my wits end. I heard about archoil and ordered some. Within the first 45 minutes, the archoil completley cured my PSD of stiction and I never again had a cold start issue, even in sub zero temps in the VT mountains. I put another 70-80k miles on the engine before I sold it. In that time, I never had another stiction or cold start issue. Second, I picked up a 1995 E34 525i for a turbo project. The M50 engine handles boost exceedingly well. I intended on keeping the engine stock and simply replacing the head bolts with ARP studs one at a time in order to keep the OEM head gasket intact for the build. I was going to use E85, which would benefit from the stock compression ratio. I picked the car up and drove it home, someone had stolen the cat so it was loud. Once I got the car quited down, i realized it had significant lifter noise. I was pretty bummed as I wasn't really motivated to replace the lifters... As a last ditch effort, I threw in some archoil. Within minutes the lifter noise was completely gone. To this day, the lifter noise is still gone. I have been running archoil in everything... differentials, transfer-case, quads, tractor, diesel and gasoline engines etc. All of my friends now run it in their cars/ trucks too, all with similar results. I do not doubt the test in the video, just don't know how it translates to effectiveness in an internal combustion engine or differential. An item of note, Archoil is a friction modifier but it also contains detergents that help with lubricating and cleaning tight tolerance areas like injectors and lifters. I have and will continue to use it. Last edited by 335dsleeper; 04-11-2017 at 02:25 AM..
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totitan Enlisted Member 4 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 2009 335d Join Date: May 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	I add 1/4 oz/gal of Optilube every time I buy fuel. At 98000 miles I have never had to replace a injector or glow plug. Are the two related? Who knows? PL says no way but circumstantial evidence says yes. My original intent was to increase the lubricity which Optilube does. If other benefits occur its a bonus. __________________ 2009 335d 2016 VW GSW SE tsi 2008 VW rabbit (daughters car) 2004 Nissan Titan (big brakes, air springs) 1972 240Z (set up for road racing, autox)
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N52UNED Captain 181 Rep 601 Posts Drives: '07 328i/330BPC Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Sunshine State iTrader: (1)	Although it's not a BMW and may depend on the year of your car .... I was told by a Ford diesel mechanic to use 2-cycle oil every fill up for my Ford F-350 7.3l (I do it every other). Using 2-cycle oil has been written about on diesel truck forums ever since the US switched to low-sulfur highway diesel. I've been running 2-cycle as an additive for about 6 years / 50k miles (haven't been driving it much the past couple of years) It's said to keep your injectors from burning up. As today's diesel is considered a "dry" diesel compared the a "wet" diesel of yesteryear. I doesn't take much ... I use at least 16 fl oz for a 24 gal fill up (30gal tank). The correct ratio is said to be 1oz of 2-cycle per gal of diesel. Lots of people state with the addition of the 2-cycle oil they have seen 1-2 mpg gain. Personally I haven't paid much attention to mpg ... it's a big truck it's gonna get crap mpg. However I do notice it runs quieter. Outside of the 2-Cycle about once a couple month or so I'll add Diesel Kleen instead to clean the injectors a bit. Last edited by N52UNED; 08-29-2017 at 03:52 PM..
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