[majin ssj eric]

People don't exactly cross-shop these cars. Sure the Vette makes a far better performance value than the 435i but the 435i is a far better luxury tourer (with usable back seats no less). Either would be a great buy depending on what you are going to use them for...

[Kayani_1]

For all those that say people do not really cross shop these cars they are not 100% right. Some times people do cross shop these cars. I know I am in a market for buying a new car soon and I am looking at both BMW 4 series, Lotus Evora, Porsche Cayman S, MB CLA45 AMG and Corvette C7. Yes, they are very different but these are some of the cars I like or liked. Some times I do not care about a category I just look at what I like regardless of a category.

However, for me as I cross shop more and more the C7 hands down is a car that offers more for the money then all others. It is leaps and bounds better then the car it replaces. In case of BMW 4 series, and Cayman S I can't really say that while the Lotus and CLA 45AMG are good options but pale in comparison to C7.

My choice C7.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

People don't exactly cross-shop these cars. Sure the Vette makes a far better performance value than the 435i but the 435i is a far better luxury tourer (with usable back seats no less). Either would be a great buy depending on what you are going to use them for...

In my mind you can cross shop for functionality, i.e. sedan vs. sedan, or coupe vs. coupe; or you can cross shop for price. If I were to pony up $55K for a sports oriented car, the C7 is hard to beat.

[majin ssj eric]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

In my mind you can cross shop for functionality, i.e. sedan vs. sedan, or coupe vs. coupe; or you can cross shop for price. If I were to pony up $55K for a sports oriented car, the C7 is hard to beat (unless you have a toddler that requires a car seat).

FTFY. But yeah, hard to see getting anything else at $55k if performance is your #1 priority.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

In my mind you can cross shop for functionality, i.e. sedan vs. sedan, or coupe vs. coupe; or you can cross shop for price. If I were to pony up $55K for a sports oriented car, the C7 is hard to beat (unless you have a toddler that requires a car seat).

FTFY. But yeah, hard to see getting anything else at $55k if performance is your #1 priority.

Well then you get a nice $20K econ box for the days you need it. Or an old E90 with 235K on it as a DD...

[basscadet]

I wish Chevy would package the Corvette like the 911 and put some rear seats in there so I could haul a child around when I need to. I bet there are quite a few people like me who can't get Corvettes just because of that reason.

When I had my Z06 I had to keep a 2nd car around for "normal" use. I think just about every single Corvette owner I have interacted with over the years has at least one additional car. This is an expensive approach. GM might be able to sell more of these cars if they just made them a bit more practical. I think they could do it without ruining the car.

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well then you get a nice $20K econ box for the days you need it. Or an old E90 with 235K on it as a DD...

Yeah, I did this for the past 4 years with my Corvette and GT-R. Guess what? You spend all of your time driving your "econ box" while the sports car sits in the garage.

[MediaArtist]

No, sorry.

If you want a true 4-seater, get a 4-seater, but don't ask companies to "convert" their 2-seat cars into kiddy carriers just because you don't want to pony up for a decent SUV or Sedan.

The 458, Vantage, Corvette, Gallardo, Aventador, etc are all fine just the way they are.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by basscadet

I wish Chevy would package the Corvette like the 911 and put some rear seats in there so I could haul a child around when I need to. I bet there are quite a few people like me who can't get Corvettes just because of that reason.

When I had my Z06 I had to keep a 2nd car around for "normal" use. I think just about every single Corvette owner I have interacted with over the years has at least one additional car. This is an expensive approach. GM might be able to sell more of these cars if they just made them a bit more practical. I think they could do it without ruining the car.

They do, it's called a CTS-V.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

No, sorry.

If you want a true 4-seater, get a 4-seater, but don't ask companies to "convert" their 2-seat cars into kiddy carriers just because you don't want to pony up for a decent SUV or Sedan.

The 458, Vantage, Corvette, Gallardo, Aventador, etc are all fine just the way they are.

Seriously, how many guys (gals) buy a 911 so they can tote the kiddies around?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

No, sorry.

If you want a true 4-seater, get a 4-seater, but don't ask companies to "convert" their 2-seat cars into kiddy carriers just because you don't want to pony up for a decent SUV or Sedan.

The 458, Vantage, Corvette, Gallardo, Aventador, etc are all fine just the way they are.

I agree. Although from time to time I wish my Z06 was a 2+2 just so I can show more then 1 person at a time the fun!

I think the most practical "super car" is probably the GTR.

[son_of_siggy]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Seriously, how many guys (gals) buy a 911 so they can tote the kiddies around?

I don't think any do as the primary reason, but I can see the guy's point in that he wants a sports car, but the fact that some only have two seats is a non-starter.

For me, if I have a fun car, I don't also want to have an econo-box to DD because of circumstance (whether that's a child, MPG concerns, etc). I want to drive it everyday, because when I'm not driving it, all I do is think "I'd rather be driving the fun car."

Now I'm not arguing that Corvette should add two more seats. But I do get that a Corvette represents one of the best bang for the buck sports cars you can get, that gets decent MPG, but again, is a non-starter for people that need a back seat. The CTS-V is awesome, but at 19mpg highway, it can be tough to swallow for some. For me it would be, as again I'd want to drive it everyday, but with a 45-90 mile daily commute depending on the client the gas bills add up quickly.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Seriously, how many guys (gals) buy a 911 so they can tote the kiddies around?

Maybe if they're under 8, or midgets. Otherwise, those seats are for putting an extra jacket, or a small cooler for a beach side picnic, or installing a roll cage for the real performance enthusiast. Nothing more.

The fact is people buy sports cars for what they are, insanely high performance vehicles that can curve up a road, and attract lots of attention with sweet looks, and sweet engine noise.

No one buys a Ferrari Italia thinking "Boy I wish this car had 2 seats so I could carry my kids or some guest to a casual outing", they go and buy a Porshe Panamera, BMW M5 instead, or an A6 like I did. I think if you have to make those type of considerations in the first place, you probably aren't in the position to be owning one and should just get a kiddy carrier.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

I agree. Although from time to time I wish my Z06 was a 2+2 just so I can show more then 1 person at a time the fun!

I think the most practical "super car" is probably the GTR.

Let's face it, 2+2 setups are a sacrifice and you tend to find them in GT-type cars like the Ferrari California, Ferrari FF, Jaguar XK, Maserati GranTurismo, I could go on and on. The Corvette is a purpose built sports car just like the Italia, or Gallardo, and asking GM to make a sacrifice by designing a 2+2 setup into the car would dilute what it actually is.

Considering that the new StringRay Corvette is projected to sell anywhere from 30,000 to 60,000 units for MY2014, it's doing exceptionally well in sales, people know what they're getting with a Vette. People who need the extra seats will buy a Cadillac or a Malibu.

[majin ssj eric]

I don't think they should add a back seat to the Corvette, I'm just saying I can't buy one becasue it doesn't have one. I can get a CTS-V though!

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by mark12345

The new C7 looks nice except for the 4 exhaust tailpipes - looks tacky IMO. I agree with what several people are saying, for the money C7 performance is excellent. With that said, I can never see myself owning C7. Honest to god, the average age for Corvette buyer is 55 years old.

For whatever its worth, $55K+ for a 435i is insane and not worth it.
For that much, I would get a low mileage 2011+ M3 or CPO Porsche 997.

Who cares about the average age of the buyer. BMW's have the image of its drivers being ass****. You going to stop buying BMW's now?

I don't care if the average age was 1000 years old. The Corvette is a damn good sports car. I will enjoy driving it while you are too worried about the buyers of certain cars average age......

[MediaArtist]

I get passed up all the time by brand new Camrys, lifted trucks, and soccer mom SUVs. People around here drive super fast for some reason.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by mark12345

Calm down man - its just my personal opinion. I didn't say the Corvette is not nice. I think dollar for dollar, its a very impressive performance machine. I actually like it minus the 4 tailpipes and the air vents (it's probably just me but every body panel appears to have some sort of "air vent"?).

It is because they are there for a reason.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by mark12345

I would never have guessed! Chevy probably thinks the air vents are needed everywhere on the car for efficiency...especially when driving at highway/normal speeds

More like the track…. It's a sports car…. Chevy designs it to be track ready. They don't go, " The Corvette is driven on the highway mostly so who cares about putting these vents in".

The hood vent allows heat to escape from the engine bay. The vents on the side near the B-pillar allows air to cool the transmission/differential and the vents next to the taillights allow the heat to escape from transmission/differential.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by mark12345

Thank you for clarifying!

Man, I wish Porsche would've put more air vents in my 997.1TT and 997.2C4S - Who would've known that a late model 911 design is so inefficient design

I wonder if my wife's '11 M3 vert is inefficient in cooling as well Damn you BMW! Why can't you be like Chevy!

Why are you acting so immature?

Its very hard to have an intelligent and civil conservation when you are acting like that.

[YellowMellow]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Why are you acting so immature?

Its very hard to have an intelligent and civil conservation when you are acting like that.

Calm down man, it's a f* BMW forum where people are allowed to speak their minds. Just as your justifying how cool the C7 is, I'm saying I like the C7 but there are things that I don't like about it.

I think the C7 is a great car for the money/performance. I just think it looks tacky with the 4 exhaust pipes and all the "air vents". But you don't care right? You're sold on the C7, which is great!

I wish BMW and Porsche's had more "air vents" in their cars.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by mark12345

Calm down man, it's a f* BMW forum where people are allowed to speak their minds. Just as your justifying how cool the C7 is, I'm saying I like the C7 but there are things that I don't like about it.

I think the C7 is a great car for the money/performance. I just think it looks tacky with the 4 exhaust pipes and all the "air vents". But you don't care right? You're sold on the C7, which is great!

I wish BMW and Porsche's had more "air vents" in their cars.

I'm not justifying how cool the C7 is with you. What I can't stand is bashing a car for ridiculous things like the average age snip you made or keep on putting air vents in quotes which implies them not being functional which they are.

BMW drivers have the perception of being jerks, ass****,etc but that is not going to keep me from buying one if the car itself meets all of my needs and wants.

Buy a car because it meets your needs. Not because of BS like average age, how the drivers are perceived to be, etc.

If you loved everything about the C7 lets say, you really not going to buy it because the average age is 55? What if the average age of BMW drivers were 55? Or Porsche? Is that really going to keep you from buying it?