[apez]

Thanks for the feedback folks, leaning towards adding them. I am a bigger guy with broad shoulders and think legs (6ft 205lbs) ordering a MT... Will it be comfortable? Not sure I will be able to test them out.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by apez

Thanks for the feedback folks, leaning towards adding them. I am a bigger guy with broad shoulders and think legs (6ft 205lbs) ordering a MT... Will it be comfortable? Not sure I will be able to test them out.

This is really subjective, I'd suggest sitting in some, whether it be at a dealership, or via a fellow forum member. It's really dependant on your posture, need for padding, and much more.

[Fastfwd]

I do think the carbon roof looks nice contrasting with certain colors. I like black on the G87 with the congac interior personally and I think I would skip the carbon roof with black. I will likely literally never track this car.

I heard that damage to the carbon roof in something like a hail storm will total the car. Does anyone know that to be true? If that were true the prospect of somebody vandalizing the vehicle roof might be enough for me to just skip the option.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Fastfwd

I heard that damage to the carbon roof in something like a hail storm will total the car. Does anyone know that to be true? If that were true the prospect of somebody vandalizing the vehicle roof might be enough for me to just skip the option.

Most likely it will take hail larger than what is needed to smash the windows to damage the carbon fibre roof, probably approaching baseball size, certainly no less than golf ball size. The car will probably be totalled then, anyway, carbon fibre or not.

I had my Caterham hit by ping pong ball sized hail, thousands of $ in PDR on the aluminium panels, not a scratch on the very thin carbon fibre ones.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Fastfwd

I do think the carbon roof looks nice contrasting with certain colors. I like black on the G87 with the congac interior personally and I think I would skip the carbon roof with black. I will likely literally never track this car.

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I want to point out non-Carbon roof cars don't sell well, should you decide to get rid of it at some point.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I want to point out non-Carbon roof cars don't sell well, should you decide to get rid of it at some point.

You have data to support it?

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Carefree

You have data to support it?

Go search on Carguxxx or CarXXX. You will find plenty of F8x or E9x to compare prices of similar mileage&options vehicles with the sunroof vs. carbon roof. It just adds to the M exclusivity; you can option sunroof on any regular bimmers, but not the carbon roof.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Go search on Carguxxx or CarXXX. You will find plenty of F8x or E9x to compare prices of similar mileage&options vehicles with the sunroof vs. carbon roof. It just adds to the M exclusivity; you can option sunroof on any regular bimmers, but not the carbon roof.

Not just carbon roof. Slicktop E46 M3's carry a premium over sunroof examples.

[yuzu]

Sunroof just feels so off in an M car, have to imagine most people would prefer carbon

[M3WC]

The fact that it is a $2600 option, down the road carbon roof will probably end up carrying a premium in used market. Simply due to the majority of buyers are probably going to skimp on the pricey option, leaving carbon roof examples in the minority. The carbon buckets even more so, since they are in a $9,900 package. Talking long term values, not immediate.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by M3WC

The fact that it is a $2600 option, down the road carbon roof will probably end up carrying a premium in used market. Simply due to the majority of buyers are probably going to skimp on the pricey option, leaving carbon roof examples in the minority. The carbon buckets even more so, since they are in a $9,900 package. Talking long term values, not immediate.

I don’t think most would disagree, it likely does add some resale value, the question is does it add enough to offset the cost? Will a carbon pack car be worth $9900 more than a base car in a few years?

[yuzu]

Originally Posted by fcman

I don’t think most would disagree, it likely does add some resale value, the question is does it add enough to offset the cost? Will a carbon pack car be worth $9900 more than a base car in a few years?

Probably not but I would imagine most people are getting carbon buckets to sit in them not to park their money until they sell the car

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Go search on Carguxxx or CarXXX. You will find plenty of F8x or E9x to compare prices of similar mileage&options vehicles with the sunroof vs. carbon roof. It just adds to the M exclusivity; you can option sunroof on any regular bimmers, but not the carbon roof.

Your original point is non carbon roofs don’t sell well. That is simply not true. Carbon roofs may command more money on resale but there is no data to support they sell better. Stay on point.

[c1pher]

I don’t understand why people think the carbon package is all or nothing. I got the CF roof, interior and the drivers package without ordering the bucket seats. And you’re not getting a discount by bundling those items anyway.

[apez]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I don’t understand why people think the carbon package is all or nothing. I got the CF roof, interior and the drivers package without ordering the bucket seats. And you’re not getting a discount by bundling those items anyway.

Any regrets not getting the buckets? I am still on the fence and given my remote location unlikely to get a chance to sit in them.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by apez

Any regrets not getting the buckets? I am still on the fence and given my remote location unlikely to get a chance to sit in them.

Still waiting for the car.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I don’t understand why people think the carbon package is all or nothing. I got the CF roof, interior and the drivers package without ordering the bucket seats. And you’re not getting a discount by bundling those items anyway.

It's all/nothing if you want the seats. All I wanted from the package was the seats, would have preferred a sunroof and black inlay's.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by fcman

I don’t think most would disagree, it likely does add some resale value, the question is does it add enough to offset the cost? Will a carbon pack car be worth $9900 more than a base car in a few years?

Who cares? Enjoy your car. The seats are F'ing carbon fiber buckets, get them, enjoy them, enjoy the car, it adds to the experience. You're not buying the car for the next guy, you're getting it for yourself to enjoy. Again, I did look at cars.com and the only used car with the buckets was for sale for $84K. Will it command a premium vs non-carbon, yes of course, how much, who knows, enjoy the car.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Your original point is non carbon roofs don’t sell well. That is simply not true. Carbon roofs may command more money on resale but there is no data to support they sell better. Stay on point.

Depends on how you interpreted the phrase "don't sell well". I meant it is appreciably less in resale value, but I guess you took it as whether or not the sales are less likely.

To add some view to the latter interpretation, when I'm looking for a used M car, carbon roof is the first thing I check. Can't imagine other used M buyers are much different.

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Depends on how you interpreted the phrase "don't sell well". I meant it is appreciably less in resale value, but I guess you took it as whether or not the sales are less likely.

Carefree knew what you meant, he corrected you.

The phrase "don't sell well" does not have anything that can be interpreted or inferred to be interchanged with resale value, it's literally stating that sales are less/lower.

Resale value can be a criteria that weighs in on a car selling well, but it is not equivalent.

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

To add some view to the latter interpretation, when I'm looking for a used M car, carbon roof is the first thing I check. Can't imagine other used M buyers are much different.

In my opinion, if given a Filter By: Carbon Roof button on a search engine, the percentage of people that would actually prioritize a carbon roof would be lower than you expect. I could be wrong as I am still learning the BMW ecosystem.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by menikmati

Carefree knew what you meant, he corrected you.

The phrase "don't sell well" does not have anything that can be interpreted or inferred to be interchanged with resale value, it's literally stating that sales are less/lower.

Resale value can be a criteria that weighs in on a car selling well, but it is not equivalent.



In my opinion, if given a Filter By: Carbon Roof button on a search engine, the percentage of people that would actually prioritize a carbon roof would be lower than you expect. I could be wrong as I am still learning the BMW ecosystem.

Fair enough. It's true I didn't clarify in the latter sentence in that post whether I was referring to the resale value.

For the latter point, especially for used M buyers (people who are basically trading off longer warranty of a new car for M performance of a used car), lightweight saving is a priority. Same reason why slick roofs of older cars command a premium, as well as single hump of E9x dashboard.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Depends on how you interpreted the phrase "don't sell well". I meant it is appreciably less in resale value, but I guess you took it as whether or not the sales are less likely.

To add some view to the latter interpretation, when I'm looking for a used M car, carbon roof is the first thing I check. Can't imagine other used M buyers are much different.

Right and it depends on what the meaning of “is” “is”. How’s life in Arkansas?
This may come as a surprise but you don’t represent all used “M” buyers. Imagine that.
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