[midlife]

[QUOTE=e.n335;1851121] i am paraphrasing eugene a bit:
1/ I would not run a specific tune for the w/m kit. Just a stronger one, e.g JB2. Otherwise you would not need the kit.

2/ IMO 6 nozzles are an overkill. Put 1 nozzle into the FMIC output pipe. A 375 mil. Snowperformance nozzle will be sized on the conservative side. You could be more aggressive later on using a second or bigger nozzle.

3/ And make a proper failback, e.g. disabling the tune when you run out of juice or the system is switched off......

4/As for mounting the nozzle, just buy a OEM FMIC outlet spare tube.

5/......and will upgrade it now to the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller. I plan at least to test it in my 335i. You will need some extra-parts from them to make the system failsafe.
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thanks for chiming in eugene. o.k., point by point:
1/ running a stronger tune is interesting.... originally, i was not even thinking about upgrading my ecu tune at this time. i was contemplating water/meth JUST TO RAISE Octane (from 85 octane). so if my water/meth is sucessful, maybe i can and will ugrade my ecu tune later (do not want to swallow too much at one time).

2/ not sure which side the FMIC outlet pipe is on. but since i helped put in the IC, i am a bit familiar with it's details. after installing IC, i remember hooking up 2 large "hoses" one closer to passenger side and the other closer to driver's side. when u r facing the front bumper, which side is the outlet pipe on?

3/ i am currnetly running JB1 with no problems and everything else basically stock. if i add water/meth injection, my ecu should be able to flawlessly make needed timing advance right?

THEN, if i then decide to shut down the water/meth (for example if i am out of meth), my ecu would then just readjust timing back to my stock setup with JB1 correct? or are these assumptions wrong?

4/ not sure why i would need an "an OEM FMIC outlet spare tube". i would think you just somehow incorporate the nozzle to feed into the IC outlet pipe. why do i need a spare outlet tube? can u elaborate a bit?

5/ since u are going with the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller, i will base my unit search from there. is there ANY reason u think i should not use the same unit as the one u will be using?

btw, u can jump in too terry if you have a chance !

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by e.n335

As for mounting the nozzle, just buy a OEM FMIC outlet spare tube.

How much did that run?

[e.n335]

[QUOTE=midlife;1851544]

Originally Posted by e.n335

i am paraphrasing eugene a bit:
1/ I would not run a specific tune for the w/m kit. Just a stronger one, e.g JB2. Otherwise you would not need the kit.

2/ IMO 6 nozzles are an overkill. Put 1 nozzle into the FMIC output pipe. A 375 mil. Snowperformance nozzle will be sized on the conservative side. You could be more aggressive later on using a second or bigger nozzle.

3/ And make a proper failback, e.g. disabling the tune when you run out of juice or the system is switched off......

4/As for mounting the nozzle, just buy a OEM FMIC outlet spare tube.

5/......and will upgrade it now to the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller. I plan at least to test it in my 335i. You will need some extra-parts from them to make the system failsafe.
QUOTE]

thanks for chiming in eugene. o.k., point by point:
1/ running a stronger tune is interesting.... originally, i was not even thinking about upgrading my ecu tune at this time. i was contemplating water/meth JUST TO RAISE Octane (from 85 octane). so if my water/meth is sucessful, maybe i can and will ugrade my ecu tune later (do not want to swallow too much at one time).

2/ not sure which side the FMIC outlet pipe is on. but since i helped put in the IC, i am a bit familiar with it's details. after installing IC, i remember hooking up 2 large "hoses" one closer to passenger side and the other closer to driver's side. when u r facing the front bumper, which side is the outlet pipe on?

3/ i am currnetly running JB1 with no problems and everything else basically stock. if i add water/meth injection, my ecu should be able to flawlessly make needed timing advance right?

THEN, if i then decide to shut down the water/meth (for example if i am out of meth), my ecu would then just readjust timing back to my stock setup with JB1 correct? or are these assumptions wrong?

4/ not sure why i would need an "an OEM FMIC outlet spare tube". i would think you just somehow incorporate the nozzle to feed into the IC outlet pipe. why do i need a spare outlet tube? can u elaborate a bit?

5/ since u are going with the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller, i will base my unit search from there. is there ANY reason u think i should not use the same unit as the one u will be using?

btw, u can jump in too terry if you have a chance !

I hope everybody chimes in , this is of common interest, IMO. However, what I do should not impact what you do. I will answer your questions tomorrow, it's late here.



Cheers,
Eugen

[midlife]

[QUOTE=e.n335;1851610]

Originally Posted by midlife

I hope everybody chimes in , this is of common interest, IMO. However, what I do should not impact what you do. I will answer your questions tomorrow, it's late here.



Cheers,
Eugen

thanks eugene,
in sweden, they say soft goot at bedtime. i do not know how to say goodnite in swiss.

btw, any intelligent student will listen to his "teacher", or the more experienced people first... then the student will then make his own decisions, and be wholly responsible for the enevitable good or bad consequences based on his own decision....in other words i will always take full responsibilty for everything i do. i just have to make sure i have all the necessary facts and backups in place.

[O-cha]

[QUOTE=midlife;1851685]

Originally Posted by e.n335

thanks eugene,
in sweden, they say soft goot at bedtime. i do not know how to say goodnite in swiss.

In swiss? LOL I admit I did not know that they spoke german and french and that there is no swiss until last year too though.

Probably another reason why they are always neutral, besides the huge tank blocking mountains.

[midlife]

[QUOTE=O-cha;1851786]

Originally Posted by midlife

In swiss? LOL I admit I did not know that they spoke german and french and that there is no swiss until last year too though.

Probably another reason why they are always neutral, besides the huge tank blocking mountains.

no kidding? LOL ...i feel silly.
but as u know most of us americans are terrible at geography, and international affairs.

[e.n335]

[QUOTE=O-cha;1851786]

Originally Posted by midlife

In swiss? LOL I admit I did not know that they spoke german and french and that there is no swiss until last year too though.

Probably another reason why they are always neutral, besides the huge tank blocking mountains.

Switzerland is divided into 4 cultural parts: German, French, Italian and Roman. So 4 languages are spoken here. I live in the German part ( coming from Austria in 1995 ).

[deck]

The best place to tap in is "6 inches from the throttle body" was what snow performance quoted to me. Which the intercooler outlet pipe leads to the the throttle body. probably about 12 - 18 inches away if you tap into the intercooler outlet pipe.

-deck

[midlife]

deck, thanks for your inlet tapping input (no pun intended).

o.k., back OT, can you guys help me with the below?:

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thanks for chiming in eugene. o.k., point by point:
1/ running a stronger tune is interesting.... originally, i was not even thinking about upgrading my ecu tune at this time. i was contemplating water/meth JUST TO RAISE Octane (from 85 octane). so if my water/meth is sucessful, maybe i can and will ugrade my ecu tune later (do not want to swallow too much at one time).

2/ not sure which side the FMIC outlet pipe is on. but since i helped put in the IC, i am a bit familiar with it's details. after installing IC, i remember hooking up 2 large "hoses" one closer to passenger side and the other closer to driver's side. when u r facing the front bumper, which side is the outlet pipe on?

3/ i am currnetly running JB1 with no problems and everything else basically stock. if i add water/meth injection, my ecu should be able to flawlessly make needed timing advance right?

THEN, if i then decide to shut down the water/meth (for example if i am out of meth), my ecu would then just readjust timing back to my stock setup with JB1 correct? or are these assumptions wrong?

4/ not sure why i would need an "an OEM FMIC outlet spare tube". i would think you just somehow incorporate the nozzle to feed into the IC outlet pipe. why do i need a spare outlet tube? can u elaborate a bit?

5/ since u are going with the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller, i will base my unit search from there. is there ANY reason u think i should not use the same unit as the one u will be using?

btw, u can jump in too terry if you have a chance ![/QUOTE]

[e.n335]

[QUOTE=midlife;1851544]

Originally Posted by e.n335

i am paraphrasing eugene a bit:
1/ I would not run a specific tune for the w/m kit. Just a stronger one, e.g JB2. Otherwise you would not need the kit.

2/ IMO 6 nozzles are an overkill. Put 1 nozzle into the FMIC output pipe. A 375 mil. Snowperformance nozzle will be sized on the conservative side. You could be more aggressive later on using a second or bigger nozzle.

3/ And make a proper failback, e.g. disabling the tune when you run out of juice or the system is switched off......

4/As for mounting the nozzle, just buy a OEM FMIC outlet spare tube.

5/......and will upgrade it now to the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller. I plan at least to test it in my 335i. You will need some extra-parts from them to make the system failsafe.
QUOTE]

thanks for chiming in eugene. o.k., point by point:
1/ running a stronger tune is interesting.... originally, i was not even thinking about upgrading my ecu tune at this time. i was contemplating water/meth JUST TO RAISE Octane (from 85 octane). so if my water/meth is sucessful, maybe i can and will ugrade my ecu tune later (do not want to swallow too much at one time).

2/ not sure which side the FMIC outlet pipe is on. but since i helped put in the IC, i am a bit familiar with it's details. after installing IC, i remember hooking up 2 large "hoses" one closer to passenger side and the other closer to driver's side. when u r facing the front bumper, which side is the outlet pipe on?

3/ i am currnetly running JB1 with no problems and everything else basically stock. if i add water/meth injection, my ecu should be able to flawlessly make needed timing advance right?

THEN, if i then decide to shut down the water/meth (for example if i am out of meth), my ecu would then just readjust timing back to my stock setup with JB1 correct? or are these assumptions wrong?

4/ not sure why i would need an "an OEM FMIC outlet spare tube". i would think you just somehow incorporate the nozzle to feed into the IC outlet pipe. why do i need a spare outlet tube? can u elaborate a bit?

5/ since u are going with the Stage II MAP kit with the VC-25 controller, i will base my unit search from there. is there ANY reason u think i should not use the same unit as the one u will be using?

btw, u can jump in too terry if you have a chance !

Hi,

I did my research 1 1/2 years ago for my former BMW X5 3.0d. At this time the Snowperformance pumps were better than the Aquamist pumps ( higher pressure under partitial load ). I don't know whether something changed in the meantime, but that's my reason why I preferred Snowperformance at that time. Now, just upgrading the kit, I stay with the brand.

There is no reason why you could not use the Snowperformance hardware.

The water/meth kit will be fine with the JB1 as well. You will see a couple of additional hp due to cooler IAT's and you will have the "octane booster" effect. Whether your factory ECU will advance timing and you can feel this or not I really don't know. I will have the possibility to measure this once the water/meth kit will be installed. And you will have the possibility to run a stronger tune, as mentioned already.

As for the spare tube, you will have to drill two holes into it, one for the nozzle and one for the VC-25d MAP boost sensor. In case you have to go back to stock you will still have your original tube.

I attached a picture for you to show the locations. Please note, this is for a Left Hand Drive.

There is one last uncertainty on my side I will discuss with an analytical chemist over the christmas holidays. Fluid Methanol is very corrosive to aluminium. Our engines, the N54's, are made of aluminium mainly. If this corrosive characteristic will change by mixing methanol with distilled water and atomizing it, has to be clarified first.



Cheers,
Eugen

[335i4u2nv]

so someone needs to make sense of this all bc im confused after reading 4 pages of this. So who has done this? And what did they use? and how much HP is gained from this? And how easy is it to install and remove? Lastly... Cost

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by 335i4u2nv

so someone needs to make sense of this all bc im confused after reading 4 pages of this. So who has done this? And what did they use? and how much HP is gained from this? And how easy is it to install and remove? Lastly... Cost

snowperformance.net

Yes, some did it already with the 335i, one of them uses it mainly with distilled water only. Vishnu used it as well for other brands than BMW.

[midlife]

[QUOTE=e.n335;1853909]

Originally Posted by midlife

The water/meth kit will be fine with the JB1 as well. You will see a couple of additional hp due to cooler IAT's and you will have the "octane booster" effect. Whether your factory ECU will advance timing and you can feel this or not I really don't know.

I will have the possibility to measure this once the water/meth kit will be installed.

There is one last uncertainty on my side I will discuss with an analytical chemist over the christmas holidays. Fluid Methanol is very corrosive to aluminium. Our engines, the N54's, are made of aluminium mainly. If this corrosive characteristic will change by mixing methanol with distilled water and atomizing it, has to be clarified first.

I attached a picture for you to show the locations. Please note, this is for a Left Hand Drive.
Cheers,
Eugen

thanks eugene.
regarding the the passages above that i underlined:
1/ u have the ability to see any advance in timing (and i assume boost also) due to the fact that u have proceed correct?

since i do not know if proceed will ever be in my future: , specifically, is there a way i can get timing advance info, boost info and (why not also) A/F ratio information? is there laptop software i can get that can plug somewhere into my car? or do i (or my tuner here) have to get some sort of "readers" ? and is the software or readers expensive?

2/ even though your pictures are for left hand drive, will my nozzle fitting (for regular u.s. drive cars) be on the same side as shown in your picture?

3/ i am sure everyone will be interested in what u find out re meth and aluminum corrosion.

thanks

[O-cha]

Procede only shows its timing retard AFAIK it does not show the actual advance. I would love to know how to though and I'm sure it's capable, as well as IATs, but for some reason we don't get to.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Procede only shows its timing retard AFAIK it does not show the actual advance. I would love to know how to though and I'm sure it's capable, as well as IATs, but for some reason we don't get to.

1/ what is AFAIK?
and you say the proceed will show timing retard, but not advance? this does not make sense to me.
3/ i am pretty sure that the proceed shows boost, correct?
what else does the proceed data logs show?
and i assume using your proceed data logs is how u get all the info u have at your disposal correct?

thanks

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by midlife

1/ what is AFAIK?
and you say the proceed will show timing retard, but not advance? this does not make sense to me.
3/ i am pretty sure that the proceed shows boost, correct?
what else does the proceed data logs show?
and i assume using your proceed data logs is how u get all the info u have at your disposal correct?

thanks

All engines are advanced, tuners retard timing when running more boost or the car would explode, procede shows the degrees it retards but not the total advance from TDC. I think it could show the total advance, but we are not given that info. Could probably log IAT's too, but again .

[deck]

very interesting piece of software regaurding obdii...
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/revi...treetdeck.html

[O-cha]

Problem I see with the scanner for people with the piggybacks though is the piggyback is changing the signal sent to the ecu, which is sent to the OBDII. There is still no word from the tuners whether this makes a difference or not. It would be a huge PITA to look at the OBDII graph and then match it up with say the procedes timing retard and calculate it out.

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by midlife

1/ what is AFAIK?

As Far As I Know.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by O-cha

All engines are advanced, tuners retard timing when running more boost or the car would explode, procede shows the degrees it retards but not the total advance from TDC. I think it could show the total advance, but we are not given that info. Could probably log IAT's too, but again .

understood, thanks

[midlife]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Problem I see with the scanner for people with the piggybacks though is the piggyback is changing the signal sent to the ecu, which is sent to the OBDII. There is still no word from the tuners whether this makes a difference or not. It would be a huge PITA to look at the OBDII graph and then match it up with say the procedes timing retard and calculate it out.

1/ so are you saying that any scanning thru OBII will not work on my JB1?
or is it that you are not sure?

i am sure some of this may have been covered somewhere else, but just to keep this flow going a short answer will do (i will then search, so no flames please):

2/ for those of you guys running proceed, how do u do your data logs?
do u just plug into the OBII after your runs and you will get the "correct" info?
i have not heard that proceed data logs need "adjusting" for accurate info.
does your above statement refer to proceed also?

or is this phnenomenum (spelling) of possible inncorect scanned info more likely with a simple tunes like the JB1 or sstt, as opposed to the more sophisticated JB2 or proceed?
please clarify.

thanks

[deck]

Once you hook up your procede to your laptop (procede has a built in serial cable that we use to connect it to our laptops), built into the actual program (procede reader) there is a command, start and stop data logs. Once you use this, it creates a log file and asks you to save it.

P.S. I dont think the piggy-backs are distorting the obdII readings. i.e. the JB1 is not throwing off your readings.

-deck