[Give_Em_The_DD]

Originally Posted by proTUNING Freaks

Your previous drag times record states motiv in the title? Also just want to highlight that unless you specifically requested the most aggressive possible race map from us specifically neither the folks at Motiv or PTF would provide a customer with such a map by default. We always leave a bit on the table and err a little more on the side of consistency, reliability than tune aggression as this is what we found to be the pattern for most customers coming to us for tuning. When people come to us with requests for such tunes our instant response is cautionary as to potential turbo wear first among others and most by far choose to stay a touch on the reliability side.

When you did your tuning did you specifically request a race map? If you want you can pm me your order and I can look at your map unless it was done recently with Motiv in which case we wouldn't have record of it.

Hey D,

We actually spoke about my map via Facebook messenger, it was a few months ago, not sure if you remember.

The Map I ran at the track was under the PTF name, but he is now with MOTIV.

Yes, we did discuss using the map for the 1/4. And anyone that knows me personally, "caution" isn't really in my vocabulary lol.

I do want to say thank you to you D, for taking the time out of your schedule to help me breakdown the issues with my tune (even though you had nothing to do with it). It's unfortunate you hadn't jumped in sooner, we both agreed that with my mods and fueling, that on that map, the car was running SLOW and based on dynos I shared it was way down on power.

That being said, my car is a completely different animal when using the BQ/Wedge map. Thankfully I got the encouragement from some forum members to hit up Ken. Going from an 11.9 to an 11.3 in under 2 weeks was more than I could have asked for

[proTUNING Freaks]

Dave your tune was not done by me. I see one revision from me based on just a starter map which isn't anything near an all out race map. This was a map sent after your initial tune was already done and I guess we were going to revisit and go after a race map?

Regardless of anything at this point key is you're happy with the way your car is running right now. If ever any questions or you'd like to try a ptf race map don't hesitate to ping me.

[OB]

Originally Posted by likecars

How do you all find the time to write these marathon replies? 😂

beats me (OP) .I log on and see a new page has been added to the thread each day now.

Imagine how my car would have ran if so much time was spent on it instead of the forum posts, LOL

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by OB

beats me (OP) .I log on and see a new page has been added to the thread each day now.

Imagine how my car would have ran if so much time was spent on it instead of the forum posts, LOL

I know it's hard work, but someone needs to do it.

[Jrhoades2008]

I stumbled into this platform a few months back, I came from Subaru and decided I wanted something a little bit nicer. I've started to follow these forums here and there to try and expand my knowledge. I looked at this one today and just found it to be an all out D measuring contest. It appears to be started with a quality topic and then just bombarded with school yard bullies much like many of the others I've read. It's the reason I've shyed away from the platforms of every built car I've ever owned. Wedge did a Tune for my car after being recommended by a very active member of this platform. I can't measure how great his tuning is vs the rest of the guys on here but from a human standpoint and a business perspective, his attention was superb. I run a small business that has nothing to do with cars but the principles are the same. "Do what you say are going to do," regardless of how big you might get or may be, you never ever lose your integrity. You don't need to bash your competition to earn business, this isn't a political race where slandering your opponent seems to be the game everyone tries to play. I've read a lot of shitty posts that try to degrade the character of Ken in particular, but rarely have I seen anyone reach a hand out to try and pull together with the mutual goal of expanding the platform. Many of you would rather promote yourself by stepping on others. In business, competition is what brings the best of the best to the forefront of the enthusiast's mind. Telling people how great you are and trying to slit your "friends" throats to make your way to the top is no way to run a business. Car modification like any other performance enhancement aspect in life is all about passion. Ken portrays passion, at least to the little guys like me. He's genuine in his attempts to help people and service them to the fullest. I've never seen him take an unfair dig at another vendor, his responses are calculated and professional. He's never too proud to admit he just doesn't know it all. The rest of you seem to have forgotten why you started this. Passion isn't what I see. The majority of the vendors I see on these forums come off as ego maniacs that are obsessed with telling everyone how great they are. The line between cocky and confident is a thin one, but I think most of you are miles over the line and nowhere near hitting the confident mark. The distaste that's left in my mouth from What I've seen thus far in this platform is awful. I find myself hard pressed to spend any money because it would make me sick to feed into most of your egos. I will continue to work with Ken in the spring as cars are my passion and I feel like he keeps that spirit alive. I appreciate all the info, although I can admit I'm generally lost in most of the technical mumbo jumbo. Technically speaking you are all miles over my head but from a customer stance, I can't be apart of the Pro Tuning Bullies.

I have no stance on this forum, I just wanted say what I feel like a lot of others are probably thinking. The vendors as a whole through out this platform need to grow up. Your tact is despicable and I would bet I am far from the only customer that thinks so. If I had to guess, I'd say forums were started to show objective evidence with consumers providing subjective feedback. I don't need to hear one vendors opinion about the other. I am the customer, I will educate myself objectively and make my decision about what vendors will work with my car.

[stimpy]

^ unreadable.

[spain4065]

Very well said, much agreed. I have spoke to Ken several times and always willing and able to help. Even when Terry bashed him via email to me, I informed him and he had nothing negative to say at all about him. Truly stand-up guy with passion for the platform to make it better, not to step on others. Thank you Ken and BQ for stepping outside of the box and making advancements in the community.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by Jrhoades2008

Wedge did a Tune for my car after being recommended by a very active member of this platform.
From a human standpoint and a business perspective, his attention was superb.
He's genuine in his attempts to help people and service them to the fullest.
I've never seen him take an unfair dig at another vendor

Just pointing out and repeating the points that I feel are important.
Well said Jrhoades.

[EJ_3]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

...coming together to resolve issues can only make things better for everyone in the future...
At the end of the day, my only concern is making sure our customers are happy with the tune they are running and the logs maintain safe parameters.

Every year there's a big pissing contest between two top notch vendors .

This started off with a good review and then the thread turned south quick. Couldn't make it pass page 2 of this thread due to so much shit slinging. However, the comments above gives me hope that the experts could come together to continue developing great things and move the whole community forward.

[dx1541]

I want to post my thoughts on this even though I have just sold my car ( 335i DCT M Sport ). It was about maybe 3 months back I hit up Ken even though I read a lot about Wedge Performance much earlier over the OTHER forum when they were already using the open flash platform then. I was already on a stacked tune with JB4G5 ISO with a COBB backend flash all courtesy of Burger tuning the reason being was that I was gonna run full E85 on a daily basis ( hell of a fuel to use on this car! ) after running 93 octane for a very short time. I contacted Ken ( who was doing tunes on donation ) and was told that I needed to switch to IJEOS ( I was on IGDOS ) in order to take advantage of the tunes he was doing. Not wanting to switch platforms I took a pass and continued with what I had.

Not putting down the JB4 but I was soon bored as I felt that the response was worse with the standard backend flash on the JB4 on map 7 and despite Terry looking at the logs and was told it looked fine but to be honest it wasn't what I wanted. Shifting was also slower on the DCT box with occasional slips at high rpm which is noticeable on logs when shifting. Fast forward a couple of months a tuner friend of mine ( he built my 990 WHP drag MItsubishi Evolution 5 years ago , we ran 8.93@162 mph) told me that he finally bought the Protuner software to tune BMW's thus I asked for his favour to retune the car.

He took out the JB4 and started tuning on CObb alone and despite his attempts we were experiencing throttle closure at about 4.5k rpms and just could not fix that ( I guess he was not familiar with this particular platform ) . At the end of the day stacking the JB4 back on top yielded the best results with much better response than the JB4 backend flash and with minor glitch when the car was revved past 4.5k rpms. In short I was running it with a prob but lived with it since it was the best result that anyone could give me.

Fast forward to 3 months ago Ken then reappeared on this side of the forum introducing the new Wedge tunes using the Cobb alone together with BuraQ. I decided to give ken a holler and spoke to him on my concerns and what he could offer me then. His response was give it a try mate, you will be blown away by the results and this was coming from a guy that had passionately tuned his car for such a long time not to mention now together with BuraQ who personally drives a DCT equipped IS. Told myself lets see if they can fix the throttle closure on my car. Before their tune I was making 411 WHP on SAE conversion on a Dynojet here.Car is FBO on E70 no methanol.

I was told to get my copy of the ATR from Cobb and share it with them in order for them to make changes necessary for the car. 3 days later it appeared in my mailbox and was told, take a full 3rd to 4th gear log with their parameters and send the log file to them. Do not do anything else.

First night first run after warm up, WOT and what is this? car pulling like a bat out of hell and shifting so damn fast that I never experienced from day 1. Hell yeah this is gonna be so fun. I was enjoying the car all over again like a 3 year old kid getting a new toy and night after night logging the car ( after 3 file iteration,BuraQ took over as he was the DCT specialist! ) and we took it to about the 10th iteration before I finally concluded the tune was satisfactory! We were literally perfecting post timing shifts, in which we had no timing drops with timing curves that looked like a very sharp V on the logs. There was no way I could start off in 1st gear as it would wheelspin and wheel hop thus it was always on 2nd to minimize wheelspin.

Yes the car makes 21 psi straight off tapering down to about 17.5 to about 6000 rpms ( this is where I shift ) and on the logs the IAT's doesn't go above 120 deg F starting from 3rd all the way to 5th. Ambient here is always around 95 in the night. No more funny error codes as I always had with the stack tune and the best thing of all, he solved my cold start issues which I started having when I ran E85 a long time ago with the stack tune earlier. The car would take a few seconds to start on cold after leaving it for days not driving it on what initially thought as a HPFP issue but it wasn't, there was no fuel pressure issues on both the LPFP and HPFP side, BuraQ fixed it and told me it has something to do with the scalars whenever running high mixture of E85. My starts became no more than 1.5 to 2 seconds everytime after that.

Its just too bad I had to sell the car shortly after as I've decided to move to a bigger family car later as well as persistent pestering from my bro in law ( he bought it! ) who was in love with the car as soon as he first saw it not to mention the power it has now 431 WHP on SAE correction on a dynojet up from 411 in the beginning with gobs and gobs of monster torque and lightning quick shifting.

I still miss the car today and cannot thank both enough for making this experience for me on this car. To the other guys, I think you ought to stop flaming and putting down these guys, the professionalism and approach to tuning my car was second to none and as much as I was impatient these guys made sure the car was done CORRECTLY before ever letting me on the dyno and it is obvious the guys that switch camp to these guys lately having nothing better except for them...



hats of to both of you Ken and Dmitri!

[Seven11]

What we needed was the people that were talked about (like that guy who drove the 335ix and the guy above) chiming in and telling us their experience.

Awesome thread.

[OB]

Originally Posted by dx1541

I want to post my thoughts on this even though I have just sold my car ( 335i DCT M Sport ). It was about maybe 3 months back I hit up Ken even though I read a lot about Wedge Performance much earlier over the OTHER forum when they were already using the open flash platform then. I was already on a stacked tune with JB4G5 ISO with a COBB backend flash all courtesy of Burger tuning the reason being was that I was gonna run full E85 on a daily basis ( hell of a fuel to use on this car! ) after running 93 octane for a very short time. I contacted Ken ( who was doing tunes on donation ) and was told that I needed to switch to IJEOS ( I was on IGDOS ) in order to take advantage of the tunes he was doing. Not wanting to switch platforms I took a pass and continued with what I had.

Not putting down the JB4 but I was soon bored as I felt that the response was worse with the standard backend flash on the JB4 on map 7 and despite Terry looking at the logs and was told it looked fine but to be honest it wasn't what I wanted. Shifting was also slower on the DCT box with occasional slips at high rpm which is noticeable on logs when shifting. Fast forward a couple of months a tuner friend of mine ( he built my 990 WHP drag MItsubishi Evolution 5 years ago , we ran 8.93@162 mph) told me that he finally bought the Protuner software to tune BMW's thus I asked for his favour to retune the car.

He took out the JB4 and started tuning on CObb alone and despite his attempts we were experiencing throttle closure at about 4.5k rpms and just could not fix that ( I guess he was not familiar with this particular platform ) . At the end of the day stacking the JB4 back on top yielded the best results with much better response than the JB4 backend flash and with minor glitch when the car was revved past 4.5k rpms. In short I was running it with a prob but lived with it since it was the best result that anyone could give me.

Fast forward to 3 months ago Ken then reappeared on this side of the forum introducing the new Wedge tunes using the Cobb alone together with BuraQ. I decided to give ken a holler and spoke to him on my concerns and what he could offer me then. His response was give it a try mate, you will be blown away by the results and this was coming from a guy that had passionately tuned his car for such a long time not to mention now together with BuraQ who personally drives a DCT equipped IS. Told myself lets see if they can fix the throttle closure on my car. Before their tune I was making 411 WHP on SAE conversion on a Dynojet here.Car is FBO on E70 no methanol.

I was told to get my copy of the ATR from Cobb and share it with them in order for them to make changes necessary for the car. 3 days later it appeared in my mailbox and was told, take a full 3rd to 4th gear log with their parameters and send the log file to them. Do not do anything else.

First night first run after warm up, WOT and what is this? car pulling like a bat out of hell and shifting so damn fast that I never experienced from day 1. Hell yeah this is gonna be so fun. I was enjoying the car all over again like a 3 year old kid getting a new toy and night after night logging the car ( after 3 file iteration,BuraQ took over as he was the DCT specialist! ) and we took it to about the 10th iteration before I finally concluded the tune was satisfactory! We were literally perfecting post timing shifts, in which we had no timing drops with timing curves that looked like a very sharp V on the logs. There was no way I could start off in 1st gear as it would wheelspin and wheel hop thus it was always on 2nd to minimize wheelspin.

Yes the car makes 21 psi straight off tapering down to about 17.5 to about 6000 rpms ( this is where I shift ) and on the logs the IAT's doesn't go above 120 deg F starting from 3rd all the way to 5th. Ambient here is always around 95 in the night. No more funny error codes as I always had with the stack tune and the best thing of all, he solved my cold start issues which I started having when I ran E85 a long time ago with the stack tune earlier. The car would take a few seconds to start on cold after leaving it for days not driving it on what initially thought as a HPFP issue but it wasn't, there was no fuel pressure issues on both the LPFP and HPFP side, BuraQ fixed it and told me it has something to do with the scalars whenever running high mixture of E85. My starts became no more than 1.5 to 2 seconds everytime after that.

Its just too bad I had to sell the car shortly after as I've decided to move to a bigger family car later as well as persistent pestering from my bro in law ( he bought it! ) who was in love with the car as soon as he first saw it not to mention the power it has now 431 WHP on SAE correction on a dynojet up from 411 in the beginning with gobs and gobs of monster torque and lightning quick shifting.

I still miss the car today and cannot thank both enough for making this experience for me on this car. To the other guys, I think you ought to stop flaming and putting down these guys, the professionalism and approach to tuning my car was second to none and as much as I was impatient these guys made sure the car was done CORRECTLY before ever letting me on the dyno and it is obvious the guys that switch camp to these guys lately having nothing better except for them...



hats of to both of you Ken and Dmitri!

Thanks for posting. It's apparent that we need more of these reviews so people don't miss out on what's available to the community, instead of only listening to Vendors telling us their version of the truth.

Sad to hear you had to let the car go though.

[solishe]

Well said jrhoades, well said...

[CarAbuser]

Originally Posted by OB

Thanks for posting. It's apparent that we need more of these reviews so people don't miss out on what's available to the community, instead of only listening to Vendors telling us their version of the truth.

Sad to hear you had to let the car go though.

Agree. I was getting sick of reading vendors plugging products that they sell.

As soon as you mention something that the vendor doesn't stock they are dismissive.

[musc]

Originally Posted by Jrhoades2008

I stumbled into this....(Huge paragraph)

I am not sure if you were involved with forums on other car platforms but it is always the same no matter what car it is. You could have Prius owners and tuners bashing each other over gas mileage. Kia Forte vendors arguing over goofy wings, etc. You just have to weed through it for the useful info and enjoy rest for its comedic value. Everyone is always right on the internet.

[MM Performance]

Originally Posted by Jrhoades2008

I stumbled into this platform a few months back, I came from Subaru and decided I wanted something a little bit nicer. I've started to follow these forums here and there to try and expand my knowledge. I looked at this one today and just found it to be an all out D measuring contest. It appears to be started with a quality topic and then just bombarded with school yard bullies much like many of the others I've read. It's the reason I've shyed away from the platforms of every built car I've ever owned. Wedge did a Tune for my car after being recommended by a very active member of this platform. I can't measure how great his tuning is vs the rest of the guys on here but from a human standpoint and a business perspective, his attention was superb. I run a small business that has nothing to do with cars but the principles are the same. "Do what you say are going to do," regardless of how big you might get or may be, you never ever lose your integrity. You don't need to bash your competition to earn business, this isn't a political race where slandering your opponent seems to be the game everyone tries to play. I've read a lot of shitty posts that try to degrade the character of Ken in particular, but rarely have I seen anyone reach a hand out to try and pull together with the mutual goal of expanding the platform. Many of you would rather promote yourself by stepping on others. In business, competition is what brings the best of the best to the forefront of the enthusiast's mind. Telling people how great you are and trying to slit your "friends" throats to make your way to the top is no way to run a business. Car modification like any other performance enhancement aspect in life is all about passion. Ken portrays passion, at least to the little guys like me. He's genuine in his attempts to help people and service them to the fullest. I've never seen him take an unfair dig at another vendor, his responses are calculated and professional. He's never too proud to admit he just doesn't know it all. The rest of you seem to have forgotten why you started this. Passion isn't what I see. The majority of the vendors I see on these forums come off as ego maniacs that are obsessed with telling everyone how great they are. The line between cocky and confident is a thin one, but I think most of you are miles over the line and nowhere near hitting the confident mark. The distaste that's left in my mouth from What I've seen thus far in this platform is awful. I find myself hard pressed to spend any money because it would make me sick to feed into most of your egos. I will continue to work with Ken in the spring as cars are my passion and I feel like he keeps that spirit alive. I appreciate all the info, although I can admit I'm generally lost in most of the technical mumbo jumbo. Technically speaking you are all miles over my head but from a customer stance, I can't be apart of the Pro Tuning Bullies.

I have no stance on this forum, I just wanted say what I feel like a lot of others are probably thinking. The vendors as a whole through out this platform need to grow up. Your tact is despicable and I would bet I am far from the only customer that thinks so. If I had to guess, I'd say forums were started to show objective evidence with consumers providing subjective feedback. I don't need to hear one vendors opinion about the other. I am the customer, I will educate myself objectively and make my decision about what vendors will work with my car.

Unfortunately all 335i forums have become marketing tools for every vendor where they use any piece of R&D done or any post about this is good for this reason or that didn't work for me to attack each other and show how they believe their product to be much better. Tony@Vargas and RB do it alot, now I see Wedge/BQ and PTF are going at it and there are others but these seems to be the hottest rivalrys lately. It used to be BMS vs Vishnu almosst every other thread and they would go at it like cats and dogs and the fanboys were really bad in both camps. Actually Vishnu posted awesome R&D posts which are still on the forums and lots of dynos and logs but the Tuner wars always took over every thread and the insults and lost revenue due to copying basically led a very good R&D vendor in Vishnu to leave the platform completely, although I will say he had less than tasteful marketing Technics as shown here by Wedge and PTF and also shown very often by Vargas. Either way, these marketing technics work very well for these guys and if they give the appearance of winning a forum argument, then they end up driving ALOT of business their way due to the uninformed masses (lurkers) that read these posts and dont know enough to cut through BS and decide for themselves. There are 1000's subsrcribed, they all want to make their car go faster and only dozens post, so what are the rest doing??? reading and buying parts based on threads like these. The funning thing is they read a thread like this, but a tune, and then they think they are an expert on which tune is better than the other and spread it locally in thier local car meets or facebook groups. They just want to go faster, see a thread or many threads where it looks like X supplier effectively argues somehow that their product is better and that is what they buy it. Oh well, nature of the beast. And the forum owner loves it because it drives more traffic, keeps the suppliers paying their advert fees and sponsorships and that is what makes them money. Moral of the story, this has been going on in this way with different parties since 2006 and will continue to do so because Money and financial interest are driving it, but that's capitalism baby The best forums I read is where there are no vendors involved and alot of smart car owners and enthusiast (no fan boys) and the technical discussion are awesome. Usually it is non platform affiliated forums like just a forum for all turbocharging car setups. There are very few smart enthusiast left on these forums where good technical discussion can be had without vendors polluting the threads trying to "educate" us on how they know it all and they have the best product. Several times they do put forth good info, but when they go to vendor bashing, it goes quickly down the drain. I think they should just focus on showing how their product works best at meeting the platform's needs and not continuously compare it to the competition, let results speak for themselves, but that is not good marketing based on results these vendors are obtaining from this negative kind of marketing. Works the same way in politics

[dx1541]

Originally Posted by OB

Thanks for posting. It's apparent that we need more of these reviews so people don't miss out on what's available to the community, instead of only listening to Vendors telling us their version of the truth.

Sad to hear you had to let the car go though.

Just letting the truth to be known out of the bag that's all, as much as the car has left me ,am still very much stuck in this community, once a bimmer always a bimmer

Am currently still developing with these guys what I didn't manage to complete which is another hybrid solution on the stocker twins in an attempt to offer a more affordable and powerful solution ( without breaking the bank account ) yet keeping the wonderful drive ability and response of the stock twins.

The build is being undertaken by the biggest turbo distributor and technical house in a country where 7 and 8 sec quarter mile drag machines are seriously contested for years. It's just too bad I didn't keep the car long enough to bolt on these twins and develop a tune with these guys. My experience with the DCT box using the Cobb tune with these guys revealed that BMW's mighty shifting tranny may hold more torque and power than what was quoted around earlier. The COBB platform allowed the box to shift correctly at whatever it was designed for and with the thrashing I was giving it, there was no sign of wearing down or slipping whatsoever. By the way target was 600 whp with E85 on these hybrids.

Can't reveal anymore details until they are ready but promised Ken exclusivity on the first set for him to develop a tune and hopefully hit the numbers we want earlier.

[shushikiary]

I havent dealt with PTF, but I have dealt with Ken and talked to him on the phone.

I'm a major no drama type of personality, so frankly when I read threads like this one I get my "this is just silly" face on, same thing happens many times when I read VTT's threads. I like the updates on what is going on, I like seeing the results, but man the mud slinging is almost worse than watching the presidential debates. I guess having a temper kind of goes hand in hand with high powered cars. IMO, people are people and we are all equal and thus everyone deserves to be treated with kindness and respect even if we think we deserve some kind of retribution for being wronged (unconditional forgiveness is the only way to solve cyclic strife).

Anyways... I was toying around with my OTS E30 map from Cobb trying to compensate a little for being at altitude where I had issues with longer turbo spool and lower boost. I got that to be a little better but then I had issues with timing drops when I'd go full throttle from partial throttle and post shifting (its a manual, and even if I power shift). I started a thread about trying to figure out what was going on and eventually Ken and Q chimed in and I emailed him my map.

Now, I'd like to note Ken never asked for payment, he emailed me a map back (at 3 in the morning no less), FOR FREE. I took a look at the changes he had made and it became apparent to me that getting this car to be happy is a real balancing act between all the tables. I assumed he would not want me to divulge what he did, and mentioned that to him and he asked me not to so I dont say exactly what he did (some of what he did has already been mentioned in this thread).

I put the tune on the car and HOLY HELL, the car was running LESS boost than I had it on my custom tune, and the torque below 3k RPM went up significantly, in fact so much so that my clutch started slipping in 6th gear and I had to replace it. I dont have large boost overshoots over target, the timing he put in was actually reduced just slightly from the OTS E30 map and yet the car puts down more power. Looking at what he did I believe I understand why, but I'll let him tell you that if he wants to. From what I can tell (I'm an electrical engineer who works in firmware) what ken did was simply an expression of trying to use how the DME works to get results.

After seeing the results I thanked him profusely and then he said that they will be providing OTS map help for 50 bucks, and I told him I would be more than happy to pay that to him for what he did and so I of my own free will, paid him after the fact, he never even asked for payment. He was very open about what he did and answered all of my questions. We also had a chat about if I wanted a tune from him for the car (at a cost minus what I already paid him).

The car is my daily driver and I dont want to push 21 psi of boost, if anything I like the way it is right now and if I get tired of it and want more I'll work with him to make a more track friendly (flat torque curve) type map rather than a 1/4 mile track monster type tune. I've even asked him questions on how he would get past the 4.65v MAP sensor issues (where it only reports up to 1.28 bar) and his answer (from my EE background) was right on par from what I could tell on how he would deal with that if you were running RB's or VTT's or a large single.

Bottom line is, me personally, I hope that what Ken has planned works out and that he breaths some fresh air into the N54 platform, and that he rocks the boat some to get BMS, PTF, and cobb back into the game like they used to be (IMO) and that we can see some healthy competition going. Competition that is not based on mud slinging but on real advancement in speed, power, and reliability. I'll say that personally I'm 10x more likely to work with someone who has decent numbers and doesnt sling a ton of mud than someone that has 5% better numbers but slings mud all the time (note: not trying to point any fingers at either PTF or ken here, just stating a personal preference).

[OB]

Originally Posted by dx1541

Just letting the truth to be known out of the bag that's all, as much as the car has left me ,am still very much stuck in this community, once a bimmer always a bimmer

Am currently still developing with these guys what I didn't manage to complete which is another hybrid solution on the stocker twins in an attempt to offer a more affordable and powerful solution ( without breaking the bank account ) yet keeping the wonderful drive ability and response of the stock twins.

The build is being undertaken by the biggest turbo distributor and technical house in a country where 7 and 8 sec quarter mile drag machines are seriously contested for years. It's just too bad I didn't keep the car long enough to bolt on these twins and develop a tune with these guys. My experience with the DCT box using the Cobb tune with these guys revealed that BMW's mighty shifting tranny may hold more torque and power than what was quoted around earlier. The COBB platform allowed the box to shift correctly at whatever it was designed for and with the thrashing I was giving it, there was no sign of wearing down or slipping whatsoever. By the way target was 600 whp with E85 on these hybrids.

Can't reveal anymore details until they are ready but promised Ken exclusivity on the first set for him to develop a tune and hopefully hit the numbers we want earlier.

I heard about these hybrids dix, looking forward to hear more about them if Ken gets his hands on a set!

[mike@x-ph.com]

This thread reminds me of the old days of JB4 (Terry) vs Procede (Shiv)
an honest review thread derailed and became a tuner war
Also people please stop your one page replies


Edit: i probably should say JB3/JB4

[mike5809]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

This thread reminds me of the old days of JB4 (Terry) vs Procede (Shiv)
an honest review thread derailed and became a tuner war
Also people please stop your one page replies

I feel like I am back in the DSM world listening to Dave Buscher and all the other tuners argue with each other

I am having PTF do a remote dyno tune on my car in less than two weeks - will let everyone know how it goes. So far Dzeeno has been nothing but professional and prompt to respond.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

This thread reminds me of the old days of JB4 (Terry) vs Procede (Shiv)
an honest review thread derailed and became a tuner war
Also people please stop your one page replies

Those were the days.

Originally Posted by mike5809

I feel like I am back in the DSM world listening to Dave Buscher argue with every other tuner.

Every platform and forum has tuner wars. Without them these forums are pretty boring. There is also a lot of background grudges, politics and everything else that the majority don't even know or realize. Especially when things are mentioned between the lines. There is a lot of sugar coating in here. At the end of the day, you can read into this all and take it with a grain of salt and enjoy your car, that's what matters at the end of the day.

Most confusing part of this thread is why Motiv is mentioned here, they are a separate entity and before someone says cause Jake is there now, that is irrelevant because it is a separate business.

As always there are 3 sides to every story, the truth and each parties story, don't forget that.