[Abacus38]

I won't judge until we actually have a kit in hand and thoroughly tested. I know alot of mustang guys running this kit and the main thing is to replace the couplers. The turbos is 75/25 gamble so I also recommend picking up vband PTE turbo just in case the on3 one blows up

[Torgus]

iirc there was a thread about the FFTEC kit that had to have modifications made just to get it to fit. Which is not what you expect from a 7k kit. From a 3k kit that is a bit more acceptable or understandable as maybe their jigs and tolerances are not as good.

If the kit is priced right it will end stock frame upgrades which I am a big fan of. They will go away like other platforms and be a thing of the past.

I agree about the design not being the most optimal but if people want to most optimal the VM kit looks to be the best top mount on the market.

[805beemer]

Originally Posted by Torgus

If the kit is priced right it will end stock frame upgrades which I am a big fan of. They will go like other platforms and be a thing of the past.
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Couldn't be more wrong. Have you ever heard of smog or state inspection ? Maybe where you live you can get away with a ST or illegally pay a shop so you'll pass but the majority of states as soon as they pop your hood instant fail. So no, stock frame upgrades aren't going anywhere and actually more and more options for stock frames are coming out.

[Abacus38]

Well we don't have that problem in Florida. Big singles FTW

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by 805beemer

Couldn't be more wrong. Have you ever heard of smog or state inspection ? Maybe where you live you can get away with a ST or illegally pay a shop so you'll pass but the majority of states as soon as they pop your hood instant fail. So no, stock frame upgrades aren't going anywhere and actually more and more options for stock frames are coming out.

Pay illegally? I just go ask my buddy

Ok well we'll agree to disagree. AFAIK all the supra guys go with singles even though they can buy stock frame 550-600whp for $1700 shipped. The only ones who don't are the ones concerned with emissions. But what real car guy is? If you are into cars you must know someone who can pass you.

[The Convert]

Originally Posted by N3m3sis

Ive build many cars, and have had to make many adjustments for ALOT of companies parts.

IIRC looking to 135pat (could be wrong on username) and his fftec kit and the troubles he had.

I myself have used a on3 kit on a fox body and it worked really well.

I have an fftec kit that I made slight modifications to, but only for "cleaner" fitment of the coolant pipe. I didn't touch the manifold.

I know someone had a really bad experience with their top mount, but that's another story.

[HouseN54]

Originally Posted by The Convert

I have an fftec kit that I made slight modifications to, but only for "cleaner" fitment of the coolant pipe. I didn't touch the manifold.

I know someone had a really bad experience with their top mount, but that's another story.

+1 my fftec went in smoothly no mods needed.

[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by N3m3sis

Ive build many cars, and have had to make many adjustments for A LOT of companies parts.

IIRC looking to 135pat (could be wrong on username) and his fftec kit and the troubles he had.

I myself have used a on3 kit on a fox body and it worked really well.

nah, 135pats has the motiv single kit, and he was having trouble with O2 sensors burning out. I wonder if his exhaust might be holding some heat in? Or too much heat wrap around the O2's? It's an odd problem.

The N54 is picky, you can't just throw a manifold on it and turn up the boost. There's too many details that need to be done right. A new company that doesn't have a good history is probably going to cause problems over here.

[N3m3sis]

On3 is not a new company nor do they have a bad reputation.


They have plenty of fast cars with their parts on them.

As with any companies parts, be prepared to modify stuff while modifying your car. No issue for me, as thats part of building a car

[The Convert]

Originally Posted by N3m3sis

On3 is not a new company nor do they have a bad reputation.


They have plenty of fast cars with their parts on them.

As with any companies parts, be prepared to modify stuff while modifying your car. No issue for me, as thats part of building a car

He meant new to the platform.

[ajsalida]

Quite a few established fabricators have messed up on the N54. Then you get a well-engineered VM kit out of nowhere that is setting records and appears to have excellent fit and finish at a decent if not "cheap" price point.

Glad to see a budget kit showing up from ON3 that is not out of somebody's mom's basement, let's see what they come up with. A lot more is known now that for example when FFTEC kit fist showed up, or for that matter when HPF blew up. What ever happened to CES? We also have Steedspeed coming out with manifold soon and I'm sure others. There's this guy here making what looks like outstanding manifolds for $1200:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1127619

Anyway would be good to reserve judgement until ON3 actually has some results.

[bigdaddyaaron]

http://www.on3performance.com/shop/b...-turbo-system/

hopefully around September?

[Milan]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyaaron

http://www.on3performance.com/shop/b...-turbo-system/

hopefully around September?

Oh man I can't wait!!!

[P1 ARH]

Those turbos are cheapos! $300 for a turbo? gotta be a ebay turbo.

[Jason84]

Yes on3 does not use quality parts.... Cheap china turbos and knock off tial wastegates and blow off valves. A lot of people run it because its cheap and they get stuck with it because they already purchased it thats the ONLY reason people run it. Yes even expensive kits need some mods to work but you will have a higher chance of getting a quality turbo and quality parts.

Basically saying lets buy a box of crap parts and try to make it better by replacing everything... Whats the point ?

[P1 ARH]

Originally Posted by Jason84

Yes on3 does not use quality parts.... Cheap china turbos and knock off tial wastegates and blow off valves. A lot of people run it because its cheap and they get stuck with it because they already purchased it thats the ONLY reason people run it. Yes even expensive kits need some mods to work but you will have a higher chance of getting a quality turbo and quality parts.

Basically saying lets buy a box of crap parts and try to make it better by replacing everything... Whats the point ?

I agree!

[Milan]

Originally Posted by Jason84

Yes on3 does not use quality parts.... Cheap china turbos and knock off tial wastegates and blow off valves. A lot of people run it because its cheap and they get stuck with it because they already purchased it thats the ONLY reason people run it. Yes even expensive kits need some mods to work but you will have a higher chance of getting a quality turbo and quality parts.

Basically saying lets buy a box of crap parts and try to make it better by replacing everything... Whats the point ?

I've seen people put more miles on those Chinese turbos than some people have put on RB or Vargas turbos....food for thought

[csu87]

You can always buy a better turbo and still come out for under 4k.

[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by csu87

You can always buy a better turbo and still come out for under 4k.

I believe that will be the true selling point of this kit; users will buy it simply to get affordable hot-side plumbing.

The trend I foresee here is that people will quickly ditch the turbo that comes with the kit and invest some of the savings from the purchase price into updgraded, dual-ball bearing designs from the more reputable manufacturers.

As some have already noted in this thread, the overall design may not be optimal; however, I predict this will be excersise simply based on aquisition cost rather than power output per dollar.

[Chris@BoostConcepts]

Originally Posted by Milan

I've seen people put more miles on those Chinese turbos than some people have put on RB or Vargas turbos....food for thought

∆ Truth!!!

I was always against those kits because of the cheap turbos and with good reason, they were failing left and right. But after some time they apparantly tracked down the issues and have made appropriate changes becausr nore and more of them seem to be lasting without issue. As with any turbo some bad apples sneak past. But that even happens with Garrett's and precision units. I would say run it for a while and make your own decision. Perhaps it will give you the time to develop a sense of what you truly want in the expensive upgraded turbo. If it's anything like other single kits, replacing the turbo is painless compared to a twin swap.

Chris

[Milan]

Originally Posted by lcvette

∆ Truth!!!

I was always against those kits because of the cheap turbos and with good reason, they were failing left and right. But after some time they apparantly tracked down the issues and have made appropriate changes becausr nore and more of them seem to be lasting without issue. As with any turbo some bad apples sneak past. But that even happens with Garrett's and precision units. I would say run it for a while and make your own decision. Perhaps it will give you the time to develop a sense of what you truly want in the expensive upgraded turbo. If it's anything like other single kits, replacing the turbo is painless compared to a twin swap.

Chris

Exactly....me personally I plan to buy the on3 kit and replace the turbo with a 6266 and keep the stock one as backup.

That ought to surprise some people around here....

[matthewo]

Originally Posted by lcvette

∆ Truth!!!

I was always against those kits because of the cheap turbos and with good reason, they were failing left and right. But after some time they apparantly tracked down the issues and have made appropriate changes becausr nore and more of them seem to be lasting without issue. As with any turbo some bad apples sneak past. But that even happens with Garrett's and precision units. I would say run it for a while and make your own decision. Perhaps it will give you the time to develop a sense of what you truly want in the expensive upgraded turbo. If it's anything like other single kits, replacing the turbo is painless compared to a twin swap.

Chris

one of the biggest draws for single turbo for me other than its power output, is the ease of replacing the unit if it was to take a crap. you can basically swap out the turbo with a new one in no time flat, heck buy a nice unit and keep it in the trunk and run the cheapo Chinese turbos balls off LOL.

that alone for me makes a single turbo worth it even if I was only making 500-550 and which is kinda low for a ST setup, not having to worry about a huge and painful install and the complexity of coolant lines on stock frame turbos. obviously there is lag your going to have to deal with and the loss of a lot of low in torque. but I probably wouldn't go this route on a DD anyways.