[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

But a pig in a dress is still a pig.

Ya Poor M3

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Ya Poor M3

the "m" weighs more then the "i"

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

the "m" weighs more then the "i"

I know that hence I said Poor M3.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Ya Poor M3

Nice!

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

the "m" weighs more then the "i"

Chitown335i, just playing devils advocate. Although I do enjoy my 335i, if course if given the choice I'd go with the "M".

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

[QUOTE=MarkNg335i;2298872]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

take the extra 20 grand you spend on the M3 and put it into the 335 and I'll bet the 335 wins any straight race. make a turn in any direction and the 335 will probably end up in the wall.[/QUOTE]

You got to be freaking joking, the 335 is not a Honda. The 335 is a BMW too you know and the last time i check my 335 is well balance and can freaking corner too. True it's suspension is not fine tune like a M3 but with a 3k upgrade in sport suspensions the 335 will match the M3 handling.

throw in a LSD, Coil-overs, and Sways and that 335i becomes a track star. I cant wait to do those mods to my car and start tracking it. Once I do I will be looking forward to racing a m3 on the track.

[sflgator]

[QUOTE=Chitown335i;2298885]

Originally Posted by MarkNg335i

throw in a LSD, Coil-overs, and Sways and that 335i becomes a track star. I cant wait to do those mods to my car and start tracking it. Once I do I will be looking forward to racing a m3 on the track.

+1. I would have to agree; a stock 335i (with stock 18" sport wheels/Bridgestone RFTs) gets 0.87g-0.89g on the skidpad vs. a stock E92/E90 M3's 0.94g on the skidpad. A set of coilovers, sways, and better wheels/tires would equal or better that 0.94g on the skidpad. Personally, I don't track my PROcede v2 335i, so the 0.89g is decent enough for me.

[Siciliano611]

SflGator, I think given the chance to buy a E92 M3 at 50k like the 335....YOU would still choose the 335.....You should be in the dictionary as FANBOY....I love my 335 too but really an M is an M and within a couple years I will most likely own one

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

That echos my buddy's experience with his M6. Nice to see the dealer do warranty work and not blame the VANOS problem on the Dinan Flash.

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by sicilianoNJ

SflGator, I think given the chance to buy a E92 M3 at 50k like the 335....YOU would still choose the 335.....You should be in the dictionary as FANBOY....I love my 335 too but really an M is an M and within a couple years I will most likely own one

Now you sound like a fanboy. You can say all you want in theory. If the 335i was 50K and the M3 would be what 75K? would you still choose the M? It is what it is bro. The 335i IS not 50K. (unless you get every option and its a e93 vert)

There use to be a clear choice for those people wanting performance from their BMW. The M car would destroy the typical 328 or 330i since there was no aftermarket performance parts to increase power as cheaply and effectively as the 335i. Also as brought up previously 335i and the M3 is the same chassis.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

This might sound funny but I dont think I have to spend the 20K on my car:

Power:
V2: $1300
UR DP: $650
UR CAI:$495

Handles:
KMS LSD: $3000
Sway Bars: $600
KW2's:$1500
Light weight wheels $1200
DR's: $600

Looks:
Body kit painted and installed hmmm...not seen one I like but I can allocate about $5K.

So total comes to $14,295

So I paid 42k for my car I have every option instead of navi and sports. plus these mods and my total cost would be $56,295 a nicely optioned M3 will be around 61K.

If I had to race with a modded 335i against the m3 I would be confident that I will come up on top.

thank you very fucking much!!!! i calculated the mods i would do and they came up to 9k without LSD. i thought put all that 9k into a M3 and dont mod... M3 is probably slower, but then there's always a car that's faster than yours

[Siciliano611]

Chitown...my 335i was 50k on the dot out the door....And I was missing options like Active Steering and Comfort Access.....and it is an E92 not E93....

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by sicilianoNJ

SflGator, I think given the chance to buy a E92 M3 at 50k like the 335....YOU would still choose the 335.....You should be in the dictionary as FANBOY....I love my 335 too but really an M is an M and within a couple years I will most likely own one

Since you don't know me, you really should make assumptions about me. I was only echoing what others have said. I like the E92 M3, and will go test drive an E-DCT E92 M3 before getting into my next car 12 months from now, but if it doesn't "WOW" me (for the extra $15k), then I will be getting another 335i (and transfer my PROcede v2, wheels/tires, etc. to my new 335i).

Once you drive a car with ~ 410BHP / ~ 440 lb.-ft. TQ (~ 350WHP / ~ 370 lb.-ft. RWTQ) that has plenty of power available from 1,500rpm (and you don't always have to wind it up past 6,000rpm to get that power), then it may be difficult to deviate from that at this point. Call me whatever you like, but this is my rationale, and I think many ppl here are thinking the same thing.

Do you see my sig? See my numbers at the track? Although I will certainly concede my car doesn't handle (with its stock suspension) as well as the E92 M3, but power and speed wise, they're about the same or very darn close as an E92 M3 for ~ $15,000 less. And, my car is nowhere near the fastest tuned 335i (as I only have the PROcede v2 and a BMC air filter). Nobody can deny the numbers that (slightly or heavily) tuned 335i's are putting up these days, not even the M3 guys.

[silvrevo]

O Gator got his feelings hurt again,,,,,,,,, come on guys give the kid a break.

Sarcasim,,,,,,,,,we dont get that in these parts.

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by sicilianoNJ

Chitown...my 335i was 50k on the dot out the door....And I was missing options like Active Steering and Comfort Access.....and it is an E92 not E93....

My point exactly, without taxes, title, and plates your car should be in the mid to upper 40's. No matter what your going to have to pay for taxes, title and plates. However I have seen just a mid optioned 335i vert sell for about 50K without the T,T,P.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by silvrevo

O Gator got his feelings hurt again,,,,,,,,, come on guys give the kid a break.

Sarcasim,,,,,,,,,we dont get that in these parts.

FYI -- my feelings are not "hurt." I have a bit thicker skin than that, and I'm no "kid" by any means....I was like 20 years ago though.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

My point exactly, without taxes, title, and plates your car should be in the mid to upper 40's. No matter what your going to have to pay for taxes, title and plates. However I have seen just a mid optioned 335i vert sell for about 50K without the T,T,P.

My 335i (options in sig) had an MSRP of $53k, but I paid $49,500 + ~ $5.5k for mods (PROcede v2, wheels/tires, BMC Air filter, etc.); again $55k is $15k less than a similarly optioned E92 M3 at $70k.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by nico335

yup. i mean, i know that there will be 335s blowing past me when im driving my M3 but i just love the car. if someone dares to call me a fanboy, let me just say this - if i was, i wouldn't have bothered with a 335 in the first place

plus how many cars out there are faster then cars out of their league? you got evos walking ferraris, supras walking basically anything; and im not saying the M3 is out of the 335's league at all....


if i can have both i would.

foo, you bought the 335 just to wait out the year it took BMW to release the M3 in the USA haha, and you can have both....shit nig, you could have 5!
im just messin with you nico. Hey, hurry and call me up with those DP's (double penetration)

[sdiver68]

At Kyalami, the South African F1 track, a magazine ran both the e92 M3 and e90 335i. The M3 was faster by only 1 second on better rubber.

Conclusion, slightly-modded 335i is faster in the twisties.

In another test, the M3's brakes failed after 2 hot laps. In most other track tests, the M3 brakes are cause for major concern by the tester.

[retrodrive]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

foo, you bought the 335 just to wait out the year it took BMW to release the M3 in the USA haha, and you can have both....shit nig, you could have 5!
im just messin with you nico. Hey, hurry and call me up with those DP's (double penetration)

you porn addict

[raceyBMW]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

At Kyalami, the South African F1 track, a magazine ran both the e92 M3 and e90 335i. The M3 was faster by only 1 second on better rubber.

Conclusion, slightly-modded 335i is faster in the twisties.

In another test, the M3's brakes failed after 2 hot laps. In most other track tests, the M3 brakes are cause for major concern by the tester.

That track is also at 6,000ft elevation, so the M3 would be making about 75% of its horsepower potential that it would at sea level. That is not really a good comparison. The 335 is not affected nearly as much, if at all, at that elevation.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Nice!



Chitown335i, just playing devils advocate. Although I do enjoy my 335i, if course if given the choice I'd go with the "M".

Really Funny... jag offs

My dealer actually pushed the flash on me so good luck telling me it is the Dinan flash....this is the great thing, they cannot be hypocritcal.

Serious note...... Every damn M engine has had teething problems in recent memory, the S54, S62 and S85.

Both the S62 and S85 have had VANOs issues. I would expect some teething issues with the new M3 engine. Good thing is that BMW is so scared of a major fault, they will gladly swap out engines in the beginning.

[normtrum]

I'm not sure you would even need a full compliment of suspension mods to bring a 335 "close" to an M3 in the twisties....coils, springs, lsd. A set of front and rear sways go a long way toward better performance in the turns. Would it be enough?......maybe. But you're looking at a "mere" $700-$800 installed.