Which luxury SUV for my parents?

Red Bread · 04-21-2019, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by floridaorange

What yr x3? Perhaps the new ones are worth a look...

New one is a great car, I wouldn't say the same about either previous one.

floridaorange · 04-21-2019, 10:13 PM

Neighbor has a new one and they do look bigger/better - thx for the suggestion

Kolyan2k · 04-22-2019, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chassis

DPF failure
EGR failure
turbo failure
DEF tank failure
DEF pump failure
NOX sensor failure

The items listed above failed on my Touareg, each of them is part of the diesel emissions control system. Read the VW and Mercedes forums and the same things fail with high occurrence on DEF-using vehicles. The high rate of failure of these items is why the reliability is questionable. Actually, there is no question, these vehicles are unreliable.

edit: the turbo is not strictly a part of the emissions control system. It is a high failure frequency item on the VW 3.0 TDI.

Ps. Isn't all that crap covered by 10 year emissions warranty?

Alfisti · 04-22-2019, 08:32 AM

Fuck BMW. Water pump just shit itself on my 35i X3. They can go suck a bag of dicks. never again unless leased.

adc100 · 04-22-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by floridaorange

What yr x3? Perhaps the new ones are worth a look...

2018

Red Bread · 04-22-2019, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Fuck BMW. Water pump just shit itself on my 35i X3. They can go suck a bag of dicks. never again unless leased.

Original or did you replace the plastic piece of shit they use? Replacing the plastic impeller and RFT's are my first two steps on any BMW. Good luck with putting humpty back together again.

secretsquirrel · 04-22-2019, 11:51 AM

Since they are older, reliability and maint costs is likely a high priority. If that's the case, I'd got Japanese. The Acura MDX is hard to beat.

gooselee · 04-22-2019, 12:56 PM

First thing that came to mind was Lexus RX. Doesn't sound like they are towing or hauling around tons of stuff so GX/LX seems too big.

Then I notice OP doesn't include Lexus as something to consider. Any reason why? Usability and reliability would be through the roof.

Alfisti · 04-22-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Original or did you replace the plastic piece of shit they use? Replacing the plastic impeller and RFT's are my first two steps on any BMW. Good luck with putting humpty back together again.

Original.

Red Bread · 04-22-2019, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Original or did you replace the plastic piece of shit they use? Replacing the plastic impeller and RFT's are my first two steps on any BMW. Good luck with putting humpty back together again.

Original.

Just get one with a metal impeller and you should be fine for a long time.

adc100 · 04-22-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Fuck BMW. Water pump just shit itself on my 35i X3. They can go suck a bag of dicks. never again unless leased.

So your water pump failed. Statistically parts fail. That is part and parcel of every manufactured product since the beginning of time. You are not being objective.

Go to every car brand board and you will find out..."duh..parts fail..what a surprise

"

Hey even Subaru vehicles break

Red Bread · 04-22-2019, 02:12 PM

Subarus start out broken. Dumb things.

ShocknAwe · 04-22-2019, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Subarus start out broken. Dumb things.

+1. More shit broke on my subaru than my "unreliable" BMW by far.

eluded · 04-23-2019, 04:50 AM

I'd tell my parents to give me the money and buy them a used ford explorer.

Alfisti · 04-23-2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by adc100

So your water pump failed. Statistically parts fail. That is part and parcel of every manufactured product since the beginning of time. You are not being objective.

Go to every car brand board and you will find out..."duh..parts fail..what a surprise

"

Hey even Subaru vehicles break

Subie's are hopeless, I know that.

My issue with the $1400 i just dropped on the stupid water pump is that BMW have failed to acknowledge the premature failing of this part, 57,000KM is insane for a water pump. These should be replaced as part of a recall, they are that bad, there's a massive thread on this issue as these things pop left, right and centre.

floridaorange · 04-23-2019, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eluded

I'd tell my parents to give me the money and buy them a used ford explorer.

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Originally Posted by eluded

I'd tell my parents to give me the money and buy them a used ford explorer.

Lol

whyzee125 · 04-23-2019, 04:06 PM

I’ve alwags been of the opinion that the previous gen (up to ‘14) Volvo XC90 was the best value for a mom car. Your price range opens you up to nicer possibilities though. I’d probably just get a Lexus LX and be done with it. It doesn’t have the character of the x5 or Range Rover but amazing build quality, capable, comfortable, roomy, holds its value, can go off road and the new ones look quite good. The land cruisers also have a cult following and are soon to be discontinued so nice ones will be even more highly sought after soon If they kept it nice

whyzee125 · 04-23-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Fuck BMW. Water pump just shit itself on my 35i X3. They can go suck a bag of dicks. never again unless leased.

Just bc of a water pump? Geez lol.

Alfisti · 04-23-2019, 04:08 PM

Why LX? What's wrong with RX?? They are not carrying a huge number of people and a LX is expensive to run.

Alfisti · 04-23-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by whyzee125

Just bc of a water pump? Geez lol.

No. See above, because premature water pump.

floridaorange · 04-23-2019, 08:22 PM

Both parents have been driving Japanese for many years - my dad has had a few fleetwood Cadillacs. I get the sense they want something different - most their financial planners driver German as well as 2 of their kids, my sister and I. I'd like for them to go Atlas, Q5, possibly Subaru or Volvo...maybe Lincoln.

Now having said that - the Lexus prob is the prudent choice.

chassis · 04-23-2019, 10:07 PM

None of the listed items on the VW Touareg were covered under warranty. Have a look on Google, and on clubtouareg.com. The widely publicized VW buyback could be viewed as delayed warranty coverage, although legal means were required to realize it.

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