[ShocknAwe]

Late to the party but do it. Only car I'd consider swapping my 1 for.

[blinkme323]

Thanks for all the feedback folks, great stuff as always. It looks like it is coming down to either the Quad or an M4 MT. 11th hour decision! :/

[Alfisti]

As in the current gen M4???? You gotta look at that bloody face every time you walk towards the car. F80 I understand but current gen, hard, hard pass. Head only a mother could love.

[translux]

One last area to discuss are the brakes on the QV. At slow speeds and in stop and go traffic they can be tricky. It's the inconsistency in required pedal pressure that's at the heart of the issue. Its consistently inconsistent and impossible to come to a stop smoothly. And in some cases even after you've come to a stop the car will begin moving forward requiring additional pressure to stay put. What's really interesting is that it's seems to vary widely from car to car. I've gotten used to them but many find this to be a deal breaker. Just add that to Clarkson's "How Alfa is that!"

[blinkme323]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

As in the current gen M4???? You gotta look at that bloody face every time you walk towards the car. F80 I understand but current gen, hard, hard pass. Head only a mother could love.

Yeah, only because I can get the M4 in a manual.

Literally my only hesitation on the quad is the refresh that's coming up. I've been burnt before buying cars right before a refresh and I know as soon as I pull the trigger they will officially announce it 😂

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

Thanks for all the feedback folks, great stuff as always. It looks like it is coming down to either the Quad or an M4 MT. 11th hour decision! :/

Which one have you enjoyed driving more?

MT is certainly a strong point for the Bimmer.

[blinkme323]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Which one have you enjoyed driving more?

MT is certainly a strong point for the Bimmer.

It's tough... I've driven BMWs for the last decade, so I have a natural affinity there, but the power plant in the Quad is just bonkers. I've also tested out the new Golf R MT, which I really liked along with the Model Y Performance.

[jfo122]

Originally Posted by translux

One last area to discuss are the brakes on the QV. At slow speeds and in stop and go traffic they can be tricky. It's the inconsistency in required pedal pressure that's at the heart of the issue. Its consistently inconsistent and impossible to come to a stop smoothly. And in some cases even after you've come to a stop the car will begin moving forward requiring additional pressure to stay put. What's really interesting is that it's seems to vary widely from car to car. I've gotten used to them but many find this to be a deal breaker. Just add that to Clarkson's "How Alfa is that!"

I'd definitely second this. The brakes themselves are quite good in terms of stopping power - much, much better than the stock e90 M3 brakes, but no comparison to the pfc bbk I have on there now - but the feel is 'odd' and something I'm getting used to. I'm already noticing it less and less though (on day 3 of owning the car), but it's definitely a fair criticism of the car. Overall, I'm having a ton of fun in the Alfa and it's exactly what I was looking for.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

Yeah, only because I can get the M4 in a manual.

Literally my only hesitation on the quad is the refresh that's coming up. I've been burnt before buying cars right before a refresh and I know as soon as I pull the trigger they will officially announce it 😂

WHat about a F80? There's a ton out there barely used, i cannot FATHOM how anyone can live with that maw, just fucking terrible. The F80 is a handsome vehicle.

[translux]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

WHat about a F80? There's a ton out there barely used, i cannot FATHOM how anyone can live with that maw, just fucking terrible. The F80 is a handsome vehicle.

How do you really feel?

[translux]

Originally Posted by jfo122

I'd definitely second this. The brakes themselves are quite good in terms of stopping power - much, much better than the stock e90 M3 brakes, but no comparison to the pfc bbk I have on there now - but the feel is 'odd' and something I'm getting used to. I'm already noticing it less and less though (on day 3 of owning the car), but it's definitely a fair criticism of the car. Overall, I'm having a ton of fun in the Alfa and it's exactly what I was looking for.

Mine got marginally better after some serious high speed bedding in. Supposedly there are some pads that help but IDK. I just learned to live with them and enjoy the car.

[translux]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

Yeah, only because I can get the M4 in a manual.

Literally my only hesitation on the quad is the refresh that's coming up. I've been burnt before buying cars right before a refresh and I know as soon as I pull the trigger they will officially announce it 😂

If it's just FOMO I'd say go for it. It's it's concern over depreciation the value of the QV drops like a rock glued to a lead weight that's bound to an anvil.
In early 2019 they could be had for $25-$30k discount with a factory lifetime warranty thrown in for good measure. Before the car apocalypse the best offers I got for the QV on trade ranged from we're not interested to $40k. It's a great car but it's got some serious shortcomings. It is after all an Italian car. And from my experiences they all rightfully deserve the baggage. Save for the newer Lamborghini's but we all know these are really German cars with fancy dress.

[translux]

One last item I was reminded of today after a hour behind the wheel. For me the seats are awful. They don't provide nearly as much lateral support as the stock seats in G80 and they're uncomfortable. After about 30 min the middle of my back has some discomfort. After an hour its pretty bad. I will admit that I'm a bit larger than most but not that big.
Oh and I wouldn't recommend going through a car wash. Beyond water leaking into the passenger floor something electrical gets wet and causes all kinds of havoc. Like many of the gremlins it will sort it self out after awhile. Likely when everything drys off. And make sure you don't have an Italian battery. They don't produce enough voltage and cause all kinds of trouble. This was one of the few items that could be replicated and corrected. Oh and the alarm. You'll probably want to disable this as it has a mind of its own.
It really a shame that it's so poorly engineered and constructed. It's without question one of if not the best chassis I've ever driven. It's so light and fun, puts down the power and is so stable even over the worst roads. Actually it reminds me a lot of a McLaren 720S in the Luxury/Comfort trim.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by translux

One last area to discuss are the brakes on the QV. At slow speeds and in stop and go traffic they can be tricky. It's the inconsistency in required pedal pressure that's at the heart of the issue. Its consistently inconsistent and impossible to come to a stop smoothly. And in some cases even after you've come to a stop the car will begin moving forward requiring additional pressure to stay put. What's really interesting is that it's seems to vary widely from car to car. I've gotten used to them but many find this to be a deal breaker. Just add that to Clarkson's "How Alfa is that!"

Originally Posted by jfo122

I'd definitely second this. The brakes themselves are quite good in terms of stopping power - much, much better than the stock e90 M3 brakes, but no comparison to the pfc bbk I have on there now - but the feel is 'odd' and something I'm getting used to. I'm already noticing it less and less though (on day 3 of owning the car), but it's definitely a fair criticism of the car. Overall, I'm having a ton of fun in the Alfa and it's exactly what I was looking for.

That's because the QV uses a Brake By Wire system that Alfa calls, you may want to sit down for this one, "IBS."
Here's some info on it. I personally think it's a perfect name for a braking system where you don't know if the car will slow down or not.

[translux]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

That's because the QV uses a Brake By Wire system that Alfa calls, you may want to sit down for this one, "IBS."
Here's some info on it. I personally think it's a perfect name for a braking system where you don't know if the car will slow down or not.

I forgot it was IBS!
I believe the G80 uses what I assume is the same Brembo brake by wire system the QV uses. It's also numb relative to my other cars but seems to be better calibrated.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by translux

One last item I was reminded of today after a hour behind the wheel. For me the seats are awful. They don't provide nearly as much lateral support as the stock seats in G80 and they're uncomfortable. After about 30 min the middle of my back has some discomfort. After an hour its pretty bad. I will admit that I'm a bit larger than most but not that big.
Oh and I wouldn't recommend going through a car wash. Beyond water leaking into the passenger floor something electrical gets wet and causes all kinds of havoc. Like many of the gremlins it will sort it self out after awhile. Likely when everything drys off. And make sure you don't have an Italian battery. They don't produce enough voltage and cause all kinds of trouble. This was one of the few items that could be replicated and corrected. Oh and the alarm. You'll probably want to disable this as it has a mind of its own.
It really a shame that it's so poorly engineered and constructed. It's without question one of if not the best chassis I've ever driven. It's so light and fun, puts down the power and is so stable even over the worst roads. Actually it reminds me a lot of a McLaren 720S in the Luxury/Comfort trim.

Seems like you had an early example. Inexcusable stuff, but most of that has been remedied by now.

[translux]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Seems like you had an early example. Inexcusable stuff, but most of that has been remedied by now.

It's a 2019….

[jfo122]

Originally Posted by translux

It's a 2019….

While my observation period is definitely brief, I have had none of the aforementioned issues and find the seats more comfortable than those in the M3 (I have the stock leather/alcantara ones, not the carbon buckets). It's a 2020 and they did make some updates then, but it's also my understanding that the electrical issues are mostly on the 17's or ones that sat for a while and drained the battery.

[translux]

Driving the QV today I'm reminded that this has to be the car with the most left on the table from the factory. The chassis is so capable it could handle tons more power. Further it feels like it would easily rev well past its current redline. I hit the limiter more often in the QV than any other car I've ever owned. And as I mentioned there's definitely torque limiting in lower gears. Something that's not present in the Stelvio QV's I've driven. Not that it really needs more power but more is always fun. I'm dying to try a tune but I'm torn in giving up my lifetime warranty.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by translux

Driving the QV today I'm reminded that this has to be the car with the most left on the table from the factory. The chassis is so capable it could handle tons more power. Further it feels like it would easily rev well past its current redline. I hit the limiter more often in the QV than any other car I've ever owned. And as I mentioned there's definitely torque limiting in lower gears. Something that's not present in the Stelvio QV's I've driven. Not that it really needs more power but more is always fun. I'm dying to try a tune but I'm torn in giving up my lifetime warranty.

Sorry to hear your '19 has been problematic.

I can't imagine how great a QV would be on a b-road. I feel like the power in my 2.0 Ti is already enough on local canyon roads. I'm even able to get the tail out without much difficulty. A QV would be downright scary lol. The handling and steering response are just something else.

[XutvJet]

The Giulia, especially the Quadrifoglio, is the sexist sedan on the market for sure. It's timeless and will be regarded as one of the top 10 best looking and performing sedans of all time.

On the flipside, I have a friend that is an accountant at the local Benz/Alfa/Porsche/Jag dealer in Kansas City. The Alfa Giulia has been nothing but trouble for Alfa since it's introduction. She says the Giulia as gotten marginally better over the years, but is not a car she recommended ever taking 100 miles from an Alfa dealer. They're constantly coming in on flatbeds. Even the 2022s have been a reliability problem and electrical issues continue to plague the brand as a whole. The techs depise the brand because of how much time they spend troubleshooting electrical issues that they rarely get compensated for if the vehicle is under warranty.

[MCM4]

I test drove a 2022 yesterday. Damn, I love the ride. It felt so much more unique than the M4 Comp xDrive I have on order. Such a great character, you have to drive one to feel it. Sound is incredible. The BMW for me feels super solid, but rather vague. From a driving standpoint, I absolutely prefer the Alfa. But reliability is a concern (no, I never owned one, but I can't ignore the countless issues I have read about) and the massive depreciation. I feel the BMW is a known commodity, and a solid car that should be dependable for years to come.