[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Sy1616

As Americans we should all be proud of Tesla. It’s the most American car company after all. Why the dislike for Musk and EV? Because it’s something else to challenge, be against so why not? Drive one for a week and see how you feel.

Maybe the Highland when it actually has acoustic glass all around, better seat padding, ambient lighting strip, improved stereo. I’m all about the interior and comfort and Tesla has been lacking in that aspect. I’m glad to see that they are making improvements. At the last electrify expo, their cars just left everyone underwhelmed. There is competition now and they are taking care of their deficiencies.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

I am curious how Tesla will price Supercharger usage for non-Teslas. If, for example, Elon decided "Brand X is a threat to Tesla" or just "I don't like Brand Y owners", it would hardly be a surprise for him to raise rates for just those brands.

I believe the Tesla chargers equipped with Magic Dock (i.e. the built-in CCS connector which work with other brands) charge somewhere around $0.51/kw, which I’m assuming is around $0.10 more per kw than for Teslas.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by Sy1616

Tesla isn’t allowing use of all its chargers, I read 10-20%. I’m a huge fan, love my Model S Plaid, my M5 sits idle now. Still like the car but the Plaid is so much better, faster, smoother, economical, fun…..

It’s more like 12,000 (of around 17,000 total), so a significant amount.

[Housekeeping]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

Maybe the Highland when it actually has acoustic glass all around, better seat padding, ambient lighting strip, improved stereo. I’m all about the interior and comfort and Tesla has been lacking in that aspect. I’m glad to see that they are making improvements. At the last electrify expo, their cars just left everyone underwhelmed. There is competition now and they are taking care of their deficiencies.

My most recent passenger said of my 2022 Plaid S that it felt like a flying carpet, referencing how quiet and smooth it was (lowered and on 21s). The stereo is insanely good.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Sy1616

My most recent passenger said of my 2022 Plaid S that it felt like a flying carpet, referencing how quiet and smooth it was (lowered and on 21s). The stereo is insanely good.

My current car is a Jaguar which has an amazing 825 watt Meridian sound system and is luxury vehicle quiet. It’s not electric but I cannot hear the engine. All EVs are quiet, but I do not want to hear any other vehicle, either. If the i5 has less soundproofing compared to my Jag, I will be disappointed. Our dealer wants us to do a test drive first, then he will sell our i5 if it doesn’t meet our expectations.

[Bongoxxx]

Originally Posted by Sy1616

My most recent passenger said of my 2022 Plaid S that it felt like a flying carpet, referencing how quiet and smooth it was (lowered and on 21s). The stereo is insanely good.

After driving a 2023 model s plaid for 3 weeks, I’d say the stereo was average. I will say everyone’s ears are different and what’s ‘sounds’ good to one doesn’t sound good to another. For reference in my younger years, I used to build car audio systems and enter my cars in Sound Quality competitions.

As for the ride quality of a S plaid, I’d say it was rather stiff, from the driver seat, passenger seat and god forbid if you has to sit in the back for more than 15 minutes. I much preferred the ‘comfort’ of the model x plaid. Still stiff, but no where near as harsh as the S, more legroom and headroom in the back seats and easier to get in and out of.

[harkes]

Originally Posted by Jason

BMW of North America Expands Electric Vehicle Charging Options for Customers in the U.S. and Canada with Access to Tesla Supercharger Network.


BMW Group to Adopt the North American Charging Standard (NACS) for its Battery Electric Vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, Starting in 2025.
Drivers of BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Electric Vehicles in the U.S. and Canada Will Gain Access to Designated Tesla Supercharger Stations in Early 2025.
New Agreement Comes in Addition to BMW’s Commitment to Develop a New Charging Network in North America with Six OEM Partners.

Woodcliff Lake, NJ – October 17, 2023…. In a continued effort to provide the best possible electric vehicle charging experience for its customers, BMW of North America and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA announced today that drivers of BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Combined Charging System (CCS) battery electric vehicles (BEV) in the U.S. and Canada will gain access to designated Tesla Supercharger stations in early 2025.

“With six fully electric BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce models now available in the U.S. market, and more to come, it is our top priority to ensure that our drivers have easy access to reliable, fast charging,” said Sebastian Mackensen, President & CEO, BMW of North America. “This agreement is the latest in our longstanding and continued effort to expand charging options for our customers as we continue on the road to electrification.”

The companies will work together in the coming months to create a seamless customer experience enabling BMW, [...]

That is HUGE! Not the cars can also be used. How does Tesla gain from this - charging fees I would assume?

[RonronEG]

Originally Posted by harkes

That is HUGE! Not the cars can also be used. How does Tesla gain from this - charging fees I would assume?

Federal government is investing billions into expanding electric charging infrastructure. When every car manufacturer uses your standard, you're locked to get the government funds. The charging fees you mention are also substantial. No licensing fees, which leaves money on the table but makes the deals easier for regulators to swallow.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by RonronEG

The charging fees you mention are also substantial.

Some analysts estimate $3B/yr by 2030 from non-Tesla owners and $5B by 2032 (I.e., Piper Sandler).

Supercharging is not cheap. Tesla owners benefit from promotions like free SC for a period of time or over 1,000 - 10,000 miles. Also can get free miles via referrals and cashing in those incentives for more SC miles. I had one year of free SC on my first Tesla and 10,000 miles for my second one. Used 1/3 of those in my first year, mostly during the summer when our home electricity costs were $0.18/kWh. Now that we are back to $0.07/kWh I charge at home.

Depends where you live, but once they open up the SC network to Bmw prepare to pay $25-$35 for a “fill up.”

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Some analysts estimate $3B/yr by 2030 from non-Tesla owners and $5B by 2032 (I.e., Piper Sandler).

Supercharging is not cheap. Tesla owners benefit from promotions like free SC for a period of time or over 1,000 - 10,000 miles. Also can get free miles via referrals and cashing in those incentives for more SC miles. I had one year of free SC on my first Tesla and 10,000 miles for my second one. Used 1/3 of those in my first year, mostly during the summer when our home electricity costs were $0.18/kWh. Now that we are back to $0.07/kWh I charge at home.

Depends where you live, but once they open up the SC network to Bmw prepare to pay $25-$35 for a “fill up.”

About how many miles would that go?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

About how many miles would that go?

Which? The 10,000 free miles?

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Which? The 10,000 free miles?

The bolded text.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

The bolded text.

Sorry, the quote was truncated. A fill up would be 20-90% charge and would depend on range and speed, but I would estimate 220-250 miles at 70-75 mph for a Tesla 3/y, and higher for a BMW - depending on which model. On a model S maybe 325 miles. At 60-65 mph closer to true range less 10%.

[bmwterp]

Trying to understand this...

Sounds like starting in 2025 all new BMW's will have a seamless solution to access Tesla superchargers (btw I don't think its all of them but a lot of them).

But, what about current BMW models? Are they saying they are "working towards" a solution for us or will have a solution for us over the next few months?

Anybody have any insight? I know there are a few (and its just a few) magic docks that have opened up a few SC's to non Teslas. But, are we going to have adapters or more magic docs in 2024?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Telsa owners are really getting screwed recently. With all of the massive msrp reductions and now this.

Depends. If you bought or leased after the drop, it’s great 🤣

[FCBayernFTW]

Excellent! An even greater selling point for my home. “NACS home charger”

[m3number86]

Manufacturers not willing to invest in infrastructure needed for their cars. That’s the most important part lol

[m3number86]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

Yeah if you bought a plaid first of this year and see that people are paying 30 to 40 thousand less now.

As well now all these people that can use the chargers they've had exclusive access to will crowd them a bit now.

Kind of like when I had the grandfathered unlimited data package through Verizon and then they slowly whitled that away. Thought I was the cool guy on the block till they took it away lol.

I just blame idiots for thinking a tesla was worth X and purchased at that price and then cry about it
As far as charging, most just charge at home with limited use in long drive cases. The ones tbat rely on SC on a daily basis, well thats their own problem thinking an EV was worth it without at home charging access. Lol.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

Yeah if you bought a plaid first of this year and see that people are paying 30 to 40 thousand less now.

We know a family who got an S plaid and an X plaid before the price drops - combined $70k+ over current prices.

[ahtshamtech63@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Jason

BMW of North America Expands Electric Vehicle Charging Options for Customers in the U.S. and Canada with Access to Tesla Supercharger Network.

• BMW Group to Adopt the North American Charging Standard (NACS) for its Battery Electric Vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, Starting in 2025.
• Drivers of BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Electric Vehicles in the U.S. and Canada Will Gain Access to Designated Tesla Supercharger Stations in Early 2025.
• New Agreement Comes in Addition to BMW’s Commitment to Develop a New Charging Network in North America with Six OEM Partners.

Woodcliff Lake, NJ – October 17, 2023…. In a continued effort to provide the best possible electric vehicle charging experience for its customers, BMW of North America and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA announced today that drivers of BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce Combined Charging System (CCS) battery electric vehicles (BEV) in the U.S. and Canada will gain access to designated Tesla Supercharger stations in early 2025.

“With six fully electric BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce models now available in the U.S. market, and more to come, it is our top priority to ensure that our drivers have easy access to reliable, fast charging,” said Sebastian Mackensen, President & CEO, BMW of North America. “This agreement is the latest in our longstanding and continued effort to expand charging options for our customers as we continue on the road to electrification.”

The companies will work together in the coming months to create a seamless customer experience enabling BMW, MINI, and Rolls-Royce drivers to find and access available Superchargers on their vehicle’s display, and make payments through their respective vehicle’s brand app.

As part of the arrangement, the BMW Group will also adopt the North American Charging Standard (NACS) for its battery electric vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, starting in 2025.

This agreement is independent of BMW NA’s recently announced commitment, with six other automakers, to create a joint venture company that will build a new, high-powered electric vehicle charging network in North America. The new joint venture will build at least 30,000 new chargers in metropolitan areas and along major highways, which will be accessible to drivers of all battery electric vehicles from any automaker using CCS or NACS charging standards. The joint venture is expected to be established this year, subject to customary closing conditions and regulatory approvals.

Fantastic news! 🌟 Excited about BMW's collaboration with Tesla Supercharger Network, making charging even more accessible. Kudos for adopting the NACS and the commitment to a new charging network in North America. It's a win for EV drivers everywhere! ⚡