[enrita]

Originally Posted by Bomis

Hi Guys!

If you are interested I can inform you that the two jb3 1,3(99 octan) cars at the swedish event both won against two proceede v3 cars (stage 3, 90% with 99 octan) , and all these cars ar heavely modded besides the piggybacks...

The 2 Procede cars were Stage 2 (1 with upgrade IC and the other not, both with Catted AR dps) . All running 94 US octane.
I was running same gas , 1.3 REv3 on map 6 with my mods in sig and won both . So much fun to do those pulls ! was an incredible day!
With a fully Catless Stage 3 i was pretty much dead even but he got a limp in 4th gear...

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by midlife

you must be one of the very few people who had any JB3 problems... was it your install?
was it a beta map u were running ??

wasnt the install..lol.Not exactly a tough thing to master. Dont know why, my car just didnt like it. Terry knows my car seemed to always have issues. I could never use it hard without a limp. Tried many different maps. Might be different now which is why Im curious. Procede right off the bat was perfect and completely limp free. some of the early canbus didnt work to good with my car but the latest is incredible.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by midlife

both tunes are very good imho.
but if you have been away from the JB3 for a while:
1/ JB3 is now very smooth.... maybe that that was one plus for the proceede but a few months ago
2/ with the BMS tuning gauge you can make your own custom maps and switch maps on the fly
3/ with the BT scanner and code reader (cheap btw) you can log ANYTHING you want or need, as well as clear all car codes.

terry and shiv are just pushing each other tune, feature wise, hp, and pricewise... so we all win in the end.

my 2 cents

very true. A lot of good stuff for us. Im just itching to see how my car does with latest jb3. Want to try some more canbus maps as they get released. I have a feeling it will get better and better.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by midlife

you must be one of the very few people who had any JB3 problems... was it your install?
was it a beta map u were running ??

also, I was a beta tester and long term customer of jb3 from the beginning. so its not like I didnt try to make it work.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by midlife

fixed

I consider Shiv a tuner too.

[Septro]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

You can see how fast it pulls from 100-120 in the video

HotRod - from your video, are you letting the auto do the 1-2 shift and you manually shift the 2-3 and 3-4 transitions?

[T2x]

JB3 is faster

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by T2x

JB3 is faster

care to elaborate?

[Septro]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

care to elaborate?

Trolls don't elaborate.. it's rule #4 of the troll handbook.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Septro

Trolls don't elaborate.. it's rule #4 of the troll handbook.

lol... what's #1 to 3?

[Septro]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

lol... what's #1 to 3?

From the official Troll Handbook:

#1 - Say xxxx FTW no matter what the argument
#2 - If banned - created another account
#3 - make as many posts with rule #1 until rule #2 comes into effect

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Septro

From the official Troll Handbook:

#1 - Say xxxx FTW no matter what the argument
#2 - If banned - created another account
#3 - make as many posts with rule #1 until rule #2 comes into effect

[T2x]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

care to elaborate?

I raced a guy with a procede(on a closed track of course) and walked him. I have the JB3.

Originally Posted by Septro

Trolls don't elaborate.. it's rule #4 of the troll handbook.

I just elaborated silly.....


+ you don't see JB3 users saying stuff like this ;-)

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260527

[badass335]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I consider Shiv a tuner too.

I think he ment that since Shiv is the only one here, as Terry is 'banned' and Mike's a reseller

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by T2x

I raced a guy with a procede(on a closed track of course) and walked him. I have the JB3.



I just elaborated silly.....


+ you don't see JB3 users saying stuff like this ;-)

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260527

yes you do, i've seen/heard plenty from other users. it goes both ways

[Septro]

Originally Posted by T2x

I raced a guy with a procede(on a closed track of course) and walked him. I have the JB3.



I just elaborated silly.....


+ you don't see JB3 users saying stuff like this ;-)

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260527

I was just bustin your chops - but there are plenty of posts of JB3 users that have problems with their tune, just like there are PROcede users that post with problems. None of it is evidence of something endemic with the products (imo).. there are just as many, if not a bit more good posts showing the opposite as well.

[T2x]

Originally Posted by Septro

I was just bustin your chops - but there are plenty of posts of JB3 users that have problems with their tune, just like there are PROcede users that post with problems. None of it is evidence of something endemic with the products (imo).. there are just as many, if not a bit more good posts showing the opposite as well.

I don't believe the procede has more problems than the JB3. I simply believe that because of its price and ease of use, the JB3 is already the winner. It helps when I beat people that have a procede. Also, I have been at these forums for a while and I read them multiple times a day. I can say that I see more posts saying that JB3 is faster than the Procede than vice versa.

Maybe you guys have had different experiences, I'm just sharing my own.

[Tobias1980]

Originally Posted by enrita

The 2 Procede cars were Stage 2 (1 with upgrade IC and the other not, both with Catted AR dps) . All running 94 US octane.
I was running same gas , 1.3 REv3 on map 6 with my mods in sig and won both . So much fun to do those pulls ! was an incredible day!
With a fully Catless Stage 3 i was pretty much dead even but he got a limp in 4th gear...

Ciao Enrico!

In all fairness we should stick with the truth We raced 10 times that day... using same 94 octane V-Power..

I was dead even with you using Procede Stage II default setting, AR catted dp's and DCI.

When you added octane booster things changed so did the apples to apples comparison.

BR
/Tobias

[exidisjon]

Originally Posted by T2x

I don't believe the procede has more problems than the JB3. I simply believe that because of its price and ease of use, the JB3 is already the winner. It helps when I beat people that have a procede. Also, I have been at these forums for a while and I read them multiple times a day. I can say that I see more posts saying that JB3 is faster than the Procede than vice versa.

Maybe you guys have had different experiences, I'm just sharing my own.

People like you need to STFU and let the thread continue...Nobodys asking whats best bang for buck..
You probably never raced someone with a procede either..Stop making a tune war with such comments that cant be backed up. Many of the people on this thread wants to know just tune vs tune what would be faster in streets not on dyno either..

Im still very interested how same mods on a car with just different tunes.
I have seen procede people beat jb3's before and jb3's beating v3's before but most of the time the mods werent even and octane wasnt even either..

[Tobias1980]

Originally Posted by Bomis

Hi Guys!

If you are interested I can inform you that the two jb3 1,3(99 octan) cars at the swedish event both won against two proceede v3 cars (stage 3, 90% with 99 octan) , and all these cars ar heavely modded besides the piggybacks...

Ok...I was there.


1st JB3 car:
JB3 map 6 with ALL mods except second cat delete vs. Procede stage 2, AR catted dp's and DCI = dead even 10 times.

2nd JB3 car:
Crazy fast car running rebuilt hardware (by guidance from Terry) JB3 on race gas map using 94 octane gas pushing 17-18 PSI... This can not be compared with Procede stage 3 as one tune has left the safe side a long time ago...

So all in all the Procede is the winner as it was as fast as JB3 with less supporting mods on equal boost and using the same gas.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Actually Driver72 was on a 91/100 mix, not pump 91 gas. Believe what you want the facts cleary are against you, just about every socal 335I owner who has actually ran Warren or seen his car in action, flat out disagrees with you. The fact is he has not been identical to any 335I he's done comparo's with, lol, that's the difference that many here seem to be aware of.

I happen to be impressed with both tuners, Terry has just managed to create a solid product with a great bang for the buck, and currently one of his cars is the fastest in the country, Hotrod's that is. Shiv is tuning the big turbo setups, both make alot of enthusiasts happy, the tuner war is not going away, it's part of the deal, good luck to both!

Is weight reduction the "secret sauce"?

[Septro]

Originally Posted by Tobias1980

Ok...I was there.


1st JB3 car:
JB3 map 6 with ALL mods except second cat delete vs. Procede stage 2, AR catted dp's and DCI = dead even 10 times.

2nd JB3 car:
Crazy fast car running rebuilt hardware (by guidance from Terry) JB3 on race gas map using 94 octane gas pushing 17-18 PSI... This can not be compared with Procede stage 3 as one tune has left the safe side a long time ago...

So all in all the Procede is the winner as it was as fast as JB3 with less supporting mods on equal boost and using the same gas.

safe-side being anything less than <17lbs of boost? The 18ohm resistor bypass that HotRod runs just removes the hardware safety mechanism and not the software checks for overboost control. Someone would have to confirm, but the PROcede doesn't implement hardware safety mechanisms so safety is all relative.

Plus the latest CanBus maps Shiv posted on his 'record' dyno run was on 19psi if I recall..

But you are right, more boost = more power thus one of the reasons hotrod beat you but remember hotrod is a freak of N54 nature so he may have beat ya anyway without the added boost.