Porsche/Audi Chips vs. BMW

dmurray14 · 06-17-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCali335

Blah Blah Blah... June of 09... What happened to June-July of 08??? You are the great white hype my friend... You made yourself and your reputation a joke by ditching the N54 platform for a year...

There are plenty of people running 400whp on piggy back solutions, where are your dyno sheets or 1/4 mile times? IMO you know all about hype and lame...

Now show us that you know something about tuning and stick to your word about the features of the shark edit and lets see you release it to the public...

Great. Here we go...

sirzepp · 06-17-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCali335

Now show us that you know something about tuning and stick to your word about the features of the shark edit and lets see you release it to the public...

OMG...DUDE.

Jim C has FORGOTTEN more about tuning a BMW than anyone I've read/encountered/etc. knows.

LOL.

sirzepp · 06-17-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyFiasco

Indeed.

ragingclue · 06-17-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sirzepp

OMG...DUDE.

Jim C has FORGOTTEN more about tuning a BMW than anyone I've read/encountered/etc. knows.

LOL.

I think it's safe to say Jim knows plenty about tuning BMW's and has nothing left to prove to anyone.

It would be nice, however, to have SharkEdit out there already. That's not a backhanded compliment; I just think we're all ready for it by now. Get our hopes up and leave us in suspense for so long that everyone kinda forgets about it and gets over it....

Hopefully we'll see it soon!

SouthCali335 · 06-17-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmurray14

Great. Here we go...

Here we go where? Back to 2008? No one cares anymore, Vaporware is Vaporware after all...

dmurray14 · 06-17-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCali335

Here we go where? Back to 2008? No one cares anymore, Vaporware is Vaporware after all...

All I'm saying is bitching back and forth isn't going to get anyone further, and will probably just get this thread closed.

SouthCali335 · 06-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dmurray14

All I'm saying is bitching back and forth isn't going to get anyone further, and will probably just get this thread closed.

Yeah but he could also let people know an update or status or anything for that matter... If people are bitching it is only because he failed in releasing the product and the lack of info... IMO

lndshrk · 06-17-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCali335

Here we go where? Back to 2008? No one cares anymore, Vaporware is Vaporware after all...

Yup it's vaporware.

That's why Edmunds did a review of a 135i we did recently.

Have a nice day - I think I'll go play w/ my son for a while.

HighVoltage · 06-17-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

How about BECAUSE BMW SAID SO.

You know - the MANUFACTURER?

The people who engineered the vehicle?

The ones who've actually done this a few million times since 1996?

(That's when flash programming came out, FWIW)

Read the attached SI Bulletin - or just the highlighted areas should you wish.

There ARE "cheaper" power supplies one can buy and use to flash a DME,
but a computer power supply isn't one of them.

PC Power and Cooling makes a great unit - We have two of the 1.2kW units.'

1200 watts - 100 amps at 12v with surge capacity to 115 amps.

Still, it's not adequate for programming.

100 amps at 12.0v is NOT 50 amps at 13.8v

Everything runs at 3.3v? NOT!

(Your generalization is completely wrong, for example what is the required
voltage to "flash" an Intel 28F200BX-B, or a Bosch CC460?)

What voltage does a CAN BUS need to operate? (It's not 3.3v)

You have selective reading.... What did I say in the very last response:

" until someone can produce the system requirements of the vehicle without referencing hearsay"

Did you see any prior response in the thread that was anything other than hearsay? No. Not one bit of data or technical details. Just because, is not a reason. At least someone has now provided an SIB as a reference to support the initial claims.

Did I recommend that someone grab a PSU off the shelf, plug it in and have at it? No, nor would I have/have not "until someone can produce the system requirements of the vehicle".

What does this comment on 3.3v have to do with a CAN bus operation? Ill assume you are referencing the physical layer on the differential bus. Did I say you only need 3.3V for CAN bus? No, although there are plenty of transceivers that do use 3.3v for the TTL side. Could you use a simple 12Vdc (or less) supply for CAN bus communications? Yep. Does BMW's implementation of CAN bus + flash operation require 12.0Vdc? Maybe, but I never claimed otherwise and wouldnt "until someone can produce the system requirements of the vehicle".

1996? Funny I distinctly recall working with flash long before that.

"Intel 28F200BX-B, or a Bosch CC460?"

Intel migrated away from 12V on that product line. Bosch CC460...How is that relevant to a E9x discussion?

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

HighVoltage - you're a rather opinionated SOB - so please tell us how
many BMW control units you've successfully flashed?

Jim Conforti

I have an opinion. Wow surprising... SOB? You wouldnt be the first to make that claim but isnt that the pot calling the kettle "black"?

How many units? Zero. Null. Nada. Did I claim otherwise? No.

SouthCali335 · 06-17-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

Yup it's vaporware.

That's why Edmunds did a review of a 135i we did recently.

Have a nice day - I think I'll go play w/ my son for a while.

Go play with your son, ill play with my car... You know, the one that will smoke yours safely

Antwerp · 06-17-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubbles

The battery charger won't be much of an issue soon.

It is nearly impossible to brick these ECUs despite what many have said here.

Do you have more info on this or is it under raps ATM?

lndshrk · 06-17-2009, 04:15 PM

I did produce the SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS OF THE VEHICLE.

Which, BTW - are the same as the SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS of ANY
NEW GEN BMW.

New Gen: E60 E65 E9x etc. - anything produced after the E65.

If you took the time to actually MEASURE the current draw of your NEW GEN
BMW you'd see something quite surprizing.

It's not a few amps like a M/T E36.

All of those nifty technological gadgets we so love each come with their
own control module (or ten!) and the current draw is amazing.

That's why the two BC/PS units BMW "approves" are both capable of
at least 40amps (with surge to 50a) at "at least" 14v in P/S mode.

There are other alternatives that have the same or better spec for 1/5th
the price (or so) - they are not BMW "approved" and they are NOT
Personal Computer power supplies - which by design supply 12.0v

They are also not as cool looking and don't have nice LCD displays

Just an FYI - since many N54 owners are new to BMW - and really might
not know my history w/ the marque:

Having been the FIRST PERSON outside of BMW itself to ever program a
flash memory BMW ECU, I might sorta know the requirements for them.

(Yeah, MS41.2 - back in 1996!)

I get those requirements from FOUR sources - one of which (#1) is actually
available to you - should you have cared to actually read them.

1) Publicly-available documents from BMW (like the SI Bulletins)

2) Confidential documents from BMW

3) Confidential documents from the ECU OEM/ODM

4) Actual EXPERIENCE. - you know putting an ECU on the bench w/ a variable
supply and seeing what happens as you drop the voltage. In the case of the
N54 and similar NEW-GEN vehicles - also including a GATEWAY MODULE or
JBE inline.

The first is generally enough, but I've always gone the extra mile.

Basically because a lot of BMW's documentation is atrocious and sometimes
it is self-conflicting - like in places where it TALKS about 13.8v in one SIB
but then shows 12.7v in another. (attached herewith)

13.8v is "correct" - but any indicated voltage from 13.5 to 14.2v suffices.

These requirements aren't specific to N54 engines.

Read the highlighted parts in the attached update of a bulletin originally
released in 2002. Updated as recently as June 2009.

Note how many times the wording:

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Power Supply mode must be used for the E65 and later ISTA/P programming.

or a similar admonition, is used in that document.

Do you think they mean it?

Do you think you might need a power supply capable of 13.8v to program?

Or do you just think that you just know better than the people who engineered
the vehicle?

lndshrk · 06-17-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCali335

Go play with your son, ill play with my car... You know, the one that will smoke yours safely

Dreams are nice, aren't they.

SouthCali335 · 06-17-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

Dreams are nice, aren't they.

Whatever you say Jim Confetti...

sirzepp · 06-17-2009, 04:33 PM

OMG I love this thread.

LOVE it.

JoeyFiasco · 06-17-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

Yup it's vaporware.

That's why Edmunds did a review of a 135i we did recently.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...s/2008BMW135i/

sirzepp · 06-17-2009, 04:39 PM

What cracks me up is how people put their feet in their mouth without having any facts and when someone presents facts and figures they reduce the conversation to who's d**k bigger instead of just backing down.

Bitching about Shark Edit won't help either. It'll be done when it's done.

HighVoltage · 06-17-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lndshrk

Or do you just think that you just know better than the people who engineered
the vehicle?

Why do you keep insuating that I do despite the keep lack of evidence that I have done so?

Why do you continue to make "counter" claims against non-existent prior claims? Not one of the points you have made address a single statement of mine.

In case you have an issue understanding how this works... this is what I said in post #59:

"until someone can produce the system requirements of the vehicle"

I then referenced that in post #75, to defend the point that I had not seen any evidence to the contrary up to post #59. See post #59 is before post #62. Is it clear now?

scottp999 · 06-17-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyFiasco

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...s/2008BMW135i/

Not impressive performance on that one, not even close.

JoeyFiasco · 06-17-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

Not impressive performance on that one, not even close.

just an innocent bystander trying to add something constructive to the thread

dmurray14 · 06-17-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sirzepp

What cracks me up is how people put their feet in their mouth without having any facts and when someone presents facts and figures they reduce the conversation to who's d**k bigger instead of just backing down.

Bitching about Shark Edit won't help either. It'll be done when it's done.

Thats true. I'm trying to remain neutral here, but I will say I have seen the SIBs and I have programmed modules in the car before and while you can get away doing it without a charger, I wouldn't.

I'd say we leave the back and forth cheap shots out of this thread, though. Debate is healthy and constructive but that kind of banter never helps.

SouthCali335 · 06-17-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

Not impressive performance on that one, not even close.

Hey dude, relax, it's safe, Like Dinan safe

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