[airwolf878]

Originally Posted by creaminz

If you can build exhaust(catless) that sounds like Eisenmann Race, shows gains in hp/tq and doesn't drone on AT for $890...Winner!

+1 million

[skier]

Vince,

here is what I'm loking for in an exhaust:

- no drone
- no coffee can look mufflers (make it look like Eisenmann)
- no slip joins, bolt on flanges only
- sound more important than HP gains

[cuban335i]

sound is probably the most important aspect doesn't have to be titanium.. just has to sound exotic and have quad tips

[IYAOYAS]

Hey guys, Im new to the BMW world but have admired them for a while. I am also familiar with the BMW "tax". But what I dont get is how it is justified? For example: my previous vehicle was a 2006 dodge ram 2500 megacab diesel. It was putting down 550hp and 1100lbs of torque. The exhaust i was running was 6" in diameter, all stainless even the hangars, dual, single muffler, no drone, turbo back. We're talking like 15 feet of pipe here. And I paid $800 for it! So why is 6 feet of 2.5" with some mufflers so expensive? I dont mean to insult anyone, I just dont understand.

[CubanJJ09]

Originally Posted by IYAOYAS

Hey guys, Im new to the BMW world but have admired them for a while. I am also familiar with the BMW "tax". But what I dont get is how it is justified? For example: my previous vehicle was a 2006 dodge ram 2500 megacab diesel. It was putting down 550hp and 1100lbs of torque. The exhaust i was running was 6" in diameter, all stainless even the hangars, dual, single muffler, no drone, turbo back. We're talking like 15 feet of pipe here. And I paid $800 for it! So why is 6 feet of 2.5" with some mufflers so expensive? I dont mean to insult anyone, I just dont understand.

seems like u answered ur own question

[el1818]

Vince, is this going to be out soon? or else, i shall go for HKS if it is anything like more than 2-3 months from now.

[brocken]

Originally Posted by Vince@ V K Motorwerks

I have one that I can make for around $890 shipped to your door with your choice of dual or single tips. Thats for the SS 304. I am also looking into full titanium supplier out of Russia who tells me they can supply us the best quality titanium at the most reasonable price. So if the cost isnt much more we can probably go with that. We would just implement our QC measures to insure that fitment and material is within the correct specs.

I'm one of those fence guys about exhausts and I would buy a quality SS setup for $890 in a heartbeat.
My biggest concerns are price, quality and a beefy but not obnoxious sound.
I've found some good quality, nice sounding exhausts but even $1300-1400 is more than I'd want to spend on an exhaust system.
To me it feels more like a "cosmetic" mod and not as much value for your dollar as other performance mods.

I'd pass on the titanium though... weight savings are great but I can't stand that blued tip you always see on titanium exhausts. I don't think it fits with a BMW. Heck, it even looks cheesy on a Subaru.

[Slidewayz]

It would need to have high flow cats + dyno-proven gains for me to be onboard.

[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by IYAOYAS

Hey guys, Im new to the BMW world but have admired them for a while. I am also familiar with the BMW "tax". But what I dont get is how it is justified? For example: my previous vehicle was a 2006 dodge ram 2500 megacab diesel. It was putting down 550hp and 1100lbs of torque. The exhaust i was running was 6" in diameter, all stainless even the hangars, dual, single muffler, no drone, turbo back. We're talking like 15 feet of pipe here. And I paid $800 for it! So why is 6 feet of 2.5" with some mufflers so expensive? I dont mean to insult anyone, I just dont understand.

Some vendors add that extra tax just because its a BMW and they feel if we can afford the car we would definitely pay 2k for a freaking exhaust which is ridiculous. If you price something right it will sell and there would be no reason to price it so high. Look at the PS3 right now, sony had a gold mine with the PS2. Priced the PS3 at $600+, yes it did initially sell but look where they are at right now. You can get the fully loaded PS3 for $299, because its not selling like they wanted.

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by mwahlert

catless, quiet, and inexpensive - you know you'll have me on board for this group buy too...

vk fmic, dp's and dp back exhaust - sounds like a winning combination...

i like his thinking ^^^^

[letterkills155]

i want something that sounds stock but adds power.

[GreenPlease]

Titanium for under $1k would be tits

[GreenPlease]

i want something that sounds stock but adds power.

+1

[chumley]

Originally Posted by letterkills155

i want something that sounds stock but adds power.

-1!

I wouldn't, even for the briefest of moments consider paying anything for that.

With the best of the "loud" exhausts barely able to claim 10-15hp, the idea of paying for an exhaust that sounds just like stock but adds horsepower that's really not going to be noticeable is crazy. As a general rule, quiet=restrictive and even if they could get 8-10hp out of it, it wouldn't even be felt by the most sensitive of "butt-dynos". And you still get the bonus of potential warranty hassles.

I certainly don't want loud or obnoxious but the sedan's subdued tone is not very exciting, and visually the small, matte finish tips aren't either.

[NiVeDh]

Can't afford it, can't afford to void warranty.

[Alan l.]

The perfect exhaust for me is = Ultimate Racing tips that contoured with the bumper shape, AE sound, HKS build quality/polish with a 1K and under price tag.

Alan

[rolling18]

my .02..

DYNO proven gains! (same car tested b4 and after)

Low Low price (800) is good..

a low burbbley/ throaty sound (glug glug glug AKA v8!)

SINGLE 3- 3.5 inch full length split at rear to save weight..

customizable like another poster said Pick- your- part- modularity
and cheap.. under 900

[ianthegreat]

The LAST thing I'm going to do is drop $1000+ on an exhaust.. I work with a fab shop daily and these metals are NOT exotic. Sure, give credit where credit is due with regards to design, but most manufacturers are seriously limiting their sales potential by charging such ridiculous prices.

A well rounded exhaust like bastuck, or something similar, priced reasonably, would yeild high sales.

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

the absolute LAST thing I am going to do is drop $1000+ on an exhaust.. i work with a fab shop daily and these metals are NOT exotic. sure, give credit where credit is due with regards to design, but most manufacturers are seriously limiting their sales potential by charging such ridiculous prices

++++1000

essentially its just a bent tube!! with muffs and cats!

bmw tax..? if a system somehow fit both a kia and a bmw same material same kit. the one for BMW would magically cost 5x as much..

[john@wickedparts]

Originally Posted by Terrance28

Some vendors add that extra tax just because its a BMW and they feel if we can afford the car we would definitely pay 2k for a freaking exhaust which is ridiculous. If you price something right it will sell and there would be no reason to price it so high. Look at the PS3 right now, sony had a gold mine with the PS2. Priced the PS3 at $600+, yes it did initially sell but look where they are at right now. You can get the fully loaded PS3 for $299, because its not selling like they wanted.

thats not entirely all true. Components to make a ps3 have come down hence their pricing. There is also R&D costs that I think many have forgotten that needs to be absorbed into the price tag. I do hear you about adding that BMW tax that some manufactures do.

[Amir87]

Originally Posted by john@wickedparts

thats not entirely all true. Components to make a ps3 have come down hence their pricing. There is also R&D costs that I think many have forgotten that needs to be absorbed into the price tag. I do hear you about adding that BMW tax that some manufactures do hence why we felt the Vanguard Performance products was something we really wanted to bring to the community.

[possible335i2008]

Originally Posted by Amir87

+100000000..he just jumped into another vendors thread to advertise his product! not cool!