[BMWAutoXer]

Not having an argument - frustrated with this board recently having an influx of hypothetical street racing questions posted. Typically I just lurk and read, but sheeeeesh. Anyways, go back to my first post, enjoy some autocross instead of street racing. You'll actually learn to drive your car and you won't have to worry about what people on the internet think about your chances during your street races. You'll also gain a new respect for Honda when you see some super modified civics tipping the scales at 1800lbs slammed to the ground and corner balanced ruining chances for everyone in the event from ZR1 on down to our lowly BMWs

[BMWAutoXer]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

isn't that what we have mods for? You're losing the argument so you make an even more immature post?

PS: Do you crash into cars that pull out in front of you just because that's what insurance is for, or do you avoid it because it's an overall bad idea you know better than to try?

I get that this is the internet with no tangible penalty vs cost of your car being damaged, but the logical premise of your comment about mods is the same.

[blacksail337]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

isn't that what we have mods for? You're losing the argument so you make an even more immature post?

it's called car talk, sorry if you hate it but it's kinda fun and most enthusiasts enjoy it, especially on forums. even if it is endless speculation and for nothing but what ifs.

AGAIN quit assuming just because someone would engage in such a conversation they are some mindless street racing moron with no concept of your incredible knowledge in the way of the almighty auto cross

i auto cross

lots of people here auto cross

but we don't all run around bragging about it like our shit doesn't stink because of the fact, or try to tell people they're idiots because they're talking about something OTHER THAN auto crossing.

seriously?

if you hate threads like this, why did you even click on it?

and if you have nothing of ANY use what so ever to add to it, please refrain from posting and stating your personal opinions and assumptions as the law of the land.


NOW, op run this damn civic and get us a video!

[arhim22]

I was one of those shit talkers haha. I have a turbo tc with 238whp and 245wtq and I always raced people (private air strip) and from a roll it did really well. I beat a mustang shelby gt 350 by a half a car length from 25mph roll and ate 350z's lol and of course p.o.s. cobalt ss supercharged and turbo'd ones, s2000's, and about even with my friend's evo x with z-chip which added about 4* hp on the dyno. BUT, I got in my friend's 335i before I got mine and it was fast as ****! he had jb3 you shouldn't have anything to worry about lol. if he beats you from a roll (which most likely won't happen) ask him to race you from the dig =) and let his tires burn

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by blacksail337

it's called car talk, sorry if you hate it but it's kinda fun and most enthusiasts enjoy it, especially on forums. even if it is endless speculation and for nothing but what ifs.

AGAIN quit assuming just because someone would engage in such a conversation they are some mindless street racing moron with no concept of your incredible knowledge in the way of the almighty auto cross

i auto cross

lots of people here auto cross

but we don't all run around bragging about it like our shit doesn't stink because of the fact, or try to tell people they're idiots because they're talking about something OTHER THAN auto crossing.

seriously?

if you hate threads like this, why did you even click on it?

and if you have nothing of ANY use what so ever to add to it, please refrain from posting and stating your personal opinions and assumptions as the law of the land.


NOW, op run this damn civic and get us a video!

thank you for this post. i don't know why i need to go on the boards to describe my experience...

i'm gonna bug this guy and as soon as i do i'm going to post it up i promise.

[335R1]

come and get me if you lose krennar, but don't tell Dave. Its the only way I'll get him to race me.

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by 335R1

come and get me if you lose krennar, but don't tell Dave. Its the only way I'll get him to race me.

I will not lose.

[Zero.7]

Well, to answer the question: Can his turboed civic beat you? I would say it definitely could. Now, will he beat you? We'll have to see.

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by Cni2i

Well, to answer the question: Can his turboed civic beat you? I would say it definitely could. Now, will he beat you? We'll have to see.

Thanks for posting absolute nonsense man. I really appreciate it. I don't know what I would have gotten myself into with your useful information there. Thanks 256.

[zhangzeyuandss]

while .. i have personally seen what super fast civic can do.. fully modded. T4 turbo. independent fuel supply system...CAI .fully catless exhaust. coilover. even lighter AL frame was used .LSD .advance ECU timing. If your friend has this kind of civic.. i would say .. it is perfectly normal he could beat you ..or even smoke you.. otherwise. i would start taking tips for shifting at the right moment ..i think you can beat him with your mods if he just switch supercharge to turbo. if he put some serious mod in his car....you know he probably will will

[Renus]

So, finally, what is the outcome between both? Who win? : )

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by silvergray545

Sorry, but I find it hard to believe he's going to be putting down 355 whp from a stock motor with a turbo. 03 Civics have what, 160 hp stock? And that's measured at the crank. So you're telling me that a simple turbocharger is going to is going to give him almost 2.5x the power he has stock? I don't buy it.

That's one thing I hate about these forums and car people in general. When they mod their cars, they like to pull these outrageous numbers out of their ass. I don't believe anything but a dyno graph. My friend told me that the CAI he put on his Mazdaspeed3 gained him 30 whp. I laughed so hard when I heard that.

What I find funny is lack of knowledge that comes from pure speculations on this board. A simple "turbocharger" can give you 5x the original horsepower if you put a turbo large enough.

There's no reason a civic can't make 355 whp with a 35r sized turbo and decent supporting mods. But I do agree people tend to exaggerate their numbers thinking others are as ignorant as they are. Saying putting a turbo set up will yield him exactly 355whp and 30whp from CAI are both laughable.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

Thanks for posting absolute nonsense man. I really appreciate it. I don't know what I would have gotten myself into with your useful information there. Thanks 256.

If he's really making ~250whp@~2600lbs, you should be making over 350whp to be safe. I would also get him to go from dig or 1st gear roll to increase your chances.

But if he does put turbo, anything equal to 35r or larger will spank you even from dig, given that he has good tune and his car stays in one piece during the race.

[TMR]

I got my ass handed to me last night. Well over 10 cars. From 30-130 by a type S with a 35R.

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

If he's really making ~250whp@~2600lbs, you should be making over 350whp to be safe. I would also get him to go from dig or 1st gear roll to increase your chances.

But if he does put turbo, anything equal to 35r or larger will spank you even from dig, given that he has good tune and his car stays in one piece during the race.

thank you. this is exactly the type of post i was hoping to read.

[luv135i]

My del sol which is swapped and turbo can beat my 135 but the sol is 300hp and 200 tq to the wheels so it has the power and weight advantage over the bmw but from a dig the 1 can jump out but wouldnt have enough to hold off the sol...I would defintly do it from a dig and no kind of roll....Also depends on his suspension/traction mods because its easy to roast the tires...The specs you gave with a decent driver should be a mid 13sec which is about what the avg stock 335 runs

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by luv135i

My del sol which is swapped and turbo can beat my 135 but the sol is 300hp and 200 tq to the wheels so it has the power and weight advantage over the bmw but from a dig the 1 can jump out but wouldnt have enough to hold off the sol...I would defintly do it from a dig and no kind of roll....Also depends on his suspension/traction mods because its easy to roast the tires...The specs you gave with a decent driver should be a mid 13sec which is about what the avg stock 335 runs

thansk luv, i appreciate that info.