[NYC6]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

This motor was designed to replace the old 5.4 for gt500 duty...that's why the forced induction procedures were undertaken

Are you sure about that? I believe this engine has cast pistons. Most FI factory engines come with forged slugs.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Are you sure about that? I believe this engine has cast pistons. Most FI factory engines come with forged slugs.

I cant comment on the material that the pistons were made of. But the gt350 has a supercharged version of this engine. And I thought that the gt500 was getting a version of the cyote with a better supercharger. Although, I may be running on older info.

[krnnerdboy]

just came back from a test drive in an 10 gt w/ track prep...impressive for the price but let's just say I'll be keeping this car for a little longer

best part about it was that the chassis was communicative and stiff

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

just came back from a test drive in an 10 gt w/ track prep...impressive for the price but let's just say I'll be keeping this car for a little longer

best part about it was that the chassis was communicative and stiff

The '010s have the 4.6

The '011s are what will have even more revisions. Id take another test drive then.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

The '010s have the 4.6

The '011s are what will have even more revisions. Id take another test drive then.

I know the 10's have the 4.6 but I was curious as to how the chassis and interior felt. I'm not sure what the editors are referring to when the they say it looks like an Audi inside but the one I drove still felt,smelt and looked like a Ford of yore. The chassis on the other hand was impressive but still felt a bit heavy on its feet. Bmw tends to be able to hide the weight the best. The snarl from even the 4.6 is harmonious in the interior due to the induction from the cabin. I understand that the 11's will have the 5.0, 6 speed, and brembo brakes, but that is still not going to change the fact that the mustang is a muscle car at heart.

What I'm getting at is that this car is not really cross shoppable w/ the likes of the m3 or even the 135i. I figured this would be an alternative to an e92 m3 on a budget. And perhaps it is on paper but just not up to euro standards in terms of driver involvement and feedback. If stats are all that mattered I would be in a Corvette, any c6 vette.

but I will no doubt drive the 5.0 when available

[ChrisV]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

I know the 10's have the 4.6 but I was curious as to how the chassis and interior felt. I'm not sure what the editors are referring to when the they say it looks like an Audi inside but the one I drove still felt,smelt and looked like a Ford of yore. The chassis on the other hand was impressive but still felt a bit heavy on its feet. Bmw tends to be able to hide the weight the best. The snarl from even the 4.6 is harmonious in the interior due to the induction from the cabin. I understand that the 11's will have the 5.0, 6 speed, and brembo brakes, but that is still not going to change the fact that the mustang is a muscle car at heart.

What I'm getting at is that this car is not really cross shoppable w/ the likes of the m3 or even the 135i. I figured this would be an alternative to an e92 m3 on a budget. And perhaps it is on paper but just not up to euro standards in terms of driver involvement and feedback. If stats are all that mattered I would be in a Corvette, any c6 vette.

but I will no doubt drive the 5.0 when available

The point was that the drivetrain and suspension mods to the '11s make it a very different car to drive than the '10s. the interiors are similar, of course (though they are talking about the top interior when discussing quality, not the netry level version).

the interiors ARE much better than Fords of old, and are at least as nice as BMWs of not too long ago. But only princesses that have paid $50k for an entry level car for their brand will notice (or should).

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

You have a 1, with some of the most obviously awkward transitions I've ever seen on an interior. I normally don't really give a crap about the car's interior as long as it's easy to get around and somewhat intuitive. I don't normally rub my face along the dash unless I've accidenatlly ingested LSD.

The retro thing will be hit and miss, and will be totally subjective. They obviously aren't trying to steal dash-stroking BMW owners with the Stang or the Maro. They have their very own market segment that does just fine.

BTW, I recently drove the new CTS-V and I'd have to say that there's no interior offered by BMW that can touch it.

Not sure how you figure the 1 has awkward transitions?

As for the retro thing, this is what is confusing...who is the target market?

As for the CTS-V....way too cluttered with buttons and gauges.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Not sure how you figure the 1 has awkward transitions?

As for the retro thing, this is what is confusing...who is the target market?

As for the CTS-V....way too cluttered with buttons and gauges.

The one I can think of off the top of my head is the area where it looks like they were trying to decide what trim piece to put between the glovebox and passenger door, and then said "fuck it just leave it; it's a 1er, not a 7er. You don't need all the pieces anyway".

The same market that filled the streets with the last gen Camaro/Firechicken and all the Fox bodied Mustangs. In case you haven't noticed, they're doing quite well, and there really aren't any signs of it letting up any time soon. They don't aim for the stuck-up snob-geek market that BMW does. Whether or not they steal sales from BMW is one thing, but they don't have to aim at the BMW market to sell these new-gen musclecars without offering incentives or MSRP.

The "clutter" issue is something that is subjective. I'd imagine you think the Panamera's interior is the most cluttered piece of machinery known to man then. I don't mind "cluttered" as long as it's done tastefully, and the placement of certain functions have to be somewhat intuitive. I find my 3er interior pretty bland, but it does the job just fine.

[Brunotheboxer]

I will test drive this car for sure before I make ANY comment..

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

I will test drive this car for sure before I make ANY comment..

Ditto. I would never have considered a Mustang before, but I think I'm actually going to go test drive one of these. Anyone know when that'll be possible?

[Small Yellow]

Originally Posted by gonzo

No word yet, but it would be nice to see a Mach 1 version offered.

+1 I would like to see a modern day Mach 1. I guess we can call this the rebirth of Ford. Those who are bashing on them. Why? the only thing i really hate is the gauges. I will need sunglasses at night to drive with them.

Wow and just noticed, the dyno

2011 Mustang 5.0 (4th gear pull, 15% powertrain loss)
Claimed horsepower: 412 hp @ 6500 rpm
Claimed torque: 390 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm
Actual horsepower: 435 hp 6500 rpm
Actual torque: 404 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

they are being way too modest. cant wait to see track times.

[esscolab]

Looks like something out of a Pixar car movie, waaay too chavvy.

[DBFIU]

Ford mustangs from 1989 to 1992 had forged pistons, 1993 mustangs had hyperuetectic pistons. The 5.0 HO motor was well built but asthmatic from the factory. A simple headswap/exhaust and cam nets you 80 horsepower on the 5.0L of old days.

This modern 5.0 is coming from the factory so optimized, the only way to get more power out of it is forced induction, it's not like 25 years ago. Oh and YOU BET the mustang boys will be boosting. I am still part of the mustang crowd I can tell you they are boost whores, they love it.


I don't think ford will skimp out on rods and pistons and such, to turn a motor to 7k with 5 liters and make over 430 hp, thats M3 territory and the motor will need to be beef. I would imagine if hypereutectic pistons are used that AT LEAST forged rods would be used in conjunction.

The older 3 valve 4.6 motors used sintered powdered rods and they folded over like tacos when they were boosted past 450 whp, and that is peanuts for the domestic crowd.

I can't even imagine what the new cobra is going to do, probably will stay supercharged and be making 600 horse at the crank.

Oh sh1t.

[ChrisV]

Originally Posted by esscolab

Looks like something out of a Pixar car movie, waaay too chavvy.

You don't have musclecar history over there. Too bad, really. Just don't try so hard to be smug and elitist, and it'll be all good.

[MHP]

Excuse the semi ghey commentary, found this on another site:

The second race looks to be fair.


For those that don't know the S197 chassis was introduced in 2005, it's not the same 1979 Fairmont based platform the 2004s were. Yes they have a live axle, nonetheless Griggs does some amazing things with them.

[adrian1480]

will test-drive tomorrow if there's one at a local dealer.

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by MHP

Excuse the semi ghey commentary, found this on another site:

The second race looks to be fair.


For those that don't know the S197 chassis was introduced in 2005, it's not the same 1979 Fairmont based platform the 2004s were. Yes they have a live axle, nonetheless Griggs does some amazing things with them.

Looks to be the same results as in this Smoking Tire review

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It's getting better mileage ratings than the 3.0L BMW we're driving.

WOW ...great work FORD

[gonzo]

Not that it matters but funky editing or what?

The car he was in had the sunroof option and the videoed red car does not. That blue is nice and I usually no likey blues.

Hate the phrase but the car needs a 2" drop immediately upon purchase IMO.

[MHP]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

Ford mustangs from 1989 to 1992 had forged pistons, 1993 mustangs had hyperuetectic pistons. The 5.0 HO motor was well built but asthmatic from the factory. A simple headswap/exhaust and cam nets you 80 horsepower on the 5.0L of old days.

The old E7 heads were SHIT haha.

This modern 5.0 is coming from the factory so optimized, the only way to get more power out of it is forced induction, it's not like 25 years ago. Oh and YOU BET the mustang boys will be boosting. I am still part of the mustang crowd I can tell you they are boost whores, they love it.

While true it's a lot hotter from the factory there's 40HP in a 93 octane tune. There's power (though the OEM mids are pretty good) in a catless full exhaust, and there will always be gains going to an off-road grind cam or set of cams in this case. Plus as you stated the Ford/Chevy guys love their blowers/turbos.

I don't think ford will skimp out on rods and pistons and such, to turn a motor to 7k with 5 liters and make over 430 hp, thats M3 territory and the motor will need to be beef. I would imagine if hypereutectic pistons are used that AT LEAST forged rods would be used in conjunction.

All N/A 4.6L/4Vs (from which this motor is based, still has the same bore spacing etc) spun to 7200rpm with hypereucs (granted 1 point less static C/R) and shit cast rods. Hopefully Ford uses something on the order of at least GT500 "forged" powder rods, however the rpm limitation isn't HP it's rpm for them so a true 4340 forged H like in the 03-04 Terminators would be ideal. With 7/16" rod bolts they are good to 8k all day long.

The older 3 valve 4.6 motors used sintered powdered rods and they folded over like tacos when they were boosted past 450 whp, and that is peanuts for the domestic crowd.

True, rods and rod bolts are shit in these motors.

I can't even imagine what the new cobra is going to do, probably will stay supercharged and be making 600 horse at the crank.

Oh sh1t.

Al block saving 100lbs over the front of the car is the big news, super easy to make 800rw+ with these cars with just a blower swap and tune.


Good points!

[MHP]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hate the phrase but the car needs a 2" drop immediately upon purchase IMO.

You know what Ford's corporate policy is on that? LMAO. So those who need snow chains can fit them. Shit you not haha!

[MHP]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I cant comment on the material that the pistons were made of. But the gt350 has a supercharged version of this engine. And I thought that the gt500 was getting a version of the cyote with a better supercharger. Although, I may be running on older info.

GT500 will continue on with an aluminum block 5.4L (same super undersquare 3.55x4.165" dimensions) until at least 2014.

There is a 500HP/700TQ version of the 5.0L Coyote (DI, ethanol injection, TT) named Miami that will be released in Australia only in 2013+ however it will not be a GT500 motor.