[themetz]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

Contrary to what you will read in the Daily Mail it is no fun being on benefits.

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail urgently.

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I'm surprised you don't topple over with that massive chip on your shoulder.

Your diatribe against those who are wealthy, successful, "posh", public school boys, etc. speaks volumes.

The people I have been slagging off are the bankers and their mates the Tory public school boys that feel that they are entitled to govern us.

I am fortunate enough to have never known poverty but I still believe in fairness for everyone.

Originally Posted by Dave_3

etc. speaks volumes

Yes I confess I do read The Guardian

Originally Posted by Dave_3

[calling that theft is petty]
D.

I said that not paying your share of taxes is theft

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by xenon

I don't think anyone is advocating fiddling tax, but is your statement implying that it's ok for the poor to fiddle their tax?

No

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by themetz

I think you need to stop reading the Daily Mail urgently.

I never have. Just seen it ridiculed in The Guardian

[beemerbird]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

The only risk most of these clowns took was to ask "daddy" for the money to setup their businesses

You are so out of order, and as the others have rightly stated the chip on your shoulder is massive!! I am not, unlike yourself, generalising about those born to money. I AM talking about working class people who have made millions through hard bloody graft. How dare you even call those born to money clowns without even knowing them - disgraceful. Such jealousy!

Your friend was either very unlucky in who she was dealing with or there are more facts to this story. A homeless women with children has the highest priority in our benefits system. Contrary to what you will read in the Daily Mail it is no fun being on benefits.

Yet again, you do not know what you are talking about. Unless you actually know people working within the system and specifically Hull City Council (as I do) then you are not in a position to comment - end of. She was very bloody unlucky and not the only one - that is a FACT. The Council 'held' by the last Governments policies.

Tell us more. Why did 'they' not 'suppress" the rest of the right-wing media?

So you know people working for HDM now as well and know local law enforcement officers who have to deal with all the shit that has deliberately been kept out of the local newspapers. Go on - have a go at the Police now who are at the front line. You cannot possibly comment on things you know nothing about.

[xenon]

Originally Posted by beemerbird

You cannot possibly comment on things you know nothing about.

Sure he can. He reads The Guardian

So much worse than the Daily Mail as it is equally full of bollocks but has a nauseating, holier-than-thou, moral high ground.

[beemerbird]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I don't care if you don't have two brass farthings to rub together, or are landed gentry. I am not limited in my outlook by all your pre-conceived class stereotypes and can mix easily with either.

I am all for a saftey net for those in need - BUT if you have the wits and put in the bloody hard work (perhaps across generations) to achieve a good quality of living [calling that theft is petty], why should you have a ceiling placed on that success by incurring more and more draconian tax liability ?

D.

+1 Dave.

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

Being so working class I should obviously have a pit-bull but they had run out due to heavy demand from the estates in Hull!

So, living in Bournemouth you really have a comprehensive knowledge and understanding of the people living in council estates in the North of England - don't think so and you never will. I've associated with them all my life and still would never claim to know what it's like. Some are perfectly nice people of course, but others should be put down basically as a total waste of space, unless of course you condone drug pushing, child abuse, thieving in all forms, violence and general anti-social behaviour.

I like the way you always 'pick up' on what I say, even though I only state things based on facts. I would have thought as a Guardian reader, you would be wary of 'targeting' a woman as it would be seen as unpolitically correct.

[willhollin]

[M3-FAST]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

The only risk most of these clowns took was to ask "daddy" for the money to setup their businesses

If you were not making loads of other ridiculous statements I would think you had said this as a joke......but seeing as that's not correct I take it that you were beign serious??

So every person that has set up a business has asked daddy for the money have they??

I actually re-mortgaged my house (3 bed semi that I also bought myself without any help from parents) and sold all of my valuable posessions to set up a business 8 yrs ago. Yes, I am now reaping some rewards but feel this is deserved as I had the balls to lay my financial 'life' on the line.

The only person I asked for some money was the bank manager as I was £25k short and needed a loan. It is called enterprise - something this country is desperately short of as more and more businesses close.

You really should think before you type such UTTER CRAP!!

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

The people I have been slagging off are the bankers and their mates the Tory public school boys that feel that they are entitled to govern us.

You seethe with rankled bitterness at the temerity of those "Tory public school boys" to think they could be elected, with due process, into government ... the sheer bloody cheek of them.



Who is "entitled to govern us" in your eyes ??

D.

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by beemerbird

You are so out of order, and as the others have rightly stated the chip on your shoulder is massive!! I am not, unlike yourself, generalising about those born to money.

Were you not slagging off the poor of Hull in a previous post or did I mis-read it?

Originally Posted by beemerbird

I AM talking about working class people who have made millions through hard bloody graft.

I have NO problem with anybody being wealthy but they should still pay their share of taxes. Making money from a poor start is a fantastic achievement and I applaud anybody that does it.

Originally Posted by beemerbird

How dare you even call those born to money clowns without even knowing them - disgraceful. Such jealousy!

I grew up in Tory neighbourhood so know a lot of people like this. I have no need to be jealous of any of my peers and I don't judge people on how successful (or not) they are. My point is that it is easy to take risks when you have family money behind you and so we shouldnt reward them with tax breaks.

Originally Posted by beemerbird

Yet again, you do not know what you are talking about. Unless you actually know people working within the system and specifically Hull City Council (as I do) then you are not in a position to comment - end of. She was very bloody unlucky and not the only one - that is a FACT. The Council 'held' by the last Governments policies.

I don't know anything about Hull City Council but I find it very hard to believe that the government has a rule to house foreign immigants before UK citizens? Fair enough there will be thousands of "foreigners" in social housing so to be told that there is no more available will feel more than a little annoying

Originally Posted by beemerbird

So you know people working for HDM now as well and know local law enforcement officers who have to deal with all the shit that has deliberately been kept out of the local newspapers.

Where did I say that I know anybody at the HDM? I was just after more facts. I can only say that it from the hammering Labour got in the national press it seems a bit unlikely that there is a conspiracy to muzzle the press. Maybe the owners of HDM manipulate the news in a leftish manner as opposed the the right wing bias that we normally get. Who knows?

Originally Posted by beemerbird

Go on - have a go at the Police now who are at the front line. You cannot possibly comment on things you know nothing about.

Believe it or not i am not trying to be belligerant. I am just trying to give a little balance to the argument.

My mother was a police office and a recipient of the George Cross.

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by M3-FAST

If you were not making loads of other ridiculous statements I would think you had said this as a joke......but seeing as that's not correct I take it that you were beign serious??

So every person that has set up a business has asked daddy for the money have they??

I actually re-mortgaged my house (3 bed semi that I also bought myself without any help from parents) and sold all of my valuable posessions to set up a business 8 yrs ago. Yes, I am now reaping some rewards but feel this is deserved as I had the balls to lay my financial 'life' on the line.

The only person I asked for some money was the bank manager as I was £25k short and needed a loan. It is called enterprise - something this country is desperately short of as more and more businesses close.

You really should think before you type such UTTER CRAP!!

As I have said I applaud anybody that takes risks to create wealth. I just don't believe that people who took NO risks deserve any extra tax breaks. Obviously the post was not aimed at people like you and I apologise if I have offended you.

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

You seethe with rankled bitterness at the temerity of those "Tory public school boys" to think they could be elected, with due process, into government ... the sheer bloody cheek of them.



Who is "entitled to govern us" in your eyes ??

D.

Obviously the current govenment has got a mandate from the people and who am I to argue. It's just a shame that in the apparently classless society we live in we still seem to be ruled by the traditional "ruling classes". (With the exception of William Hague obviously).

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by xenon

Sure he can. He reads The Guardian

So much worse than the Daily Mail as it is equally full of bollocks but has a nauseating, holier-than-thou, moral high ground.

Thanks

[Boyd1963]

Originally Posted by beemerbird

+1 Dave.



So, living in Bournemouth you really have a comprehensive knowledge and understanding of the people living in council estates in the North of England - don't think so and you never will. I've associated with them all my life and still would never claim to know what it's like. Some are perfectly nice people of course, but others should be put down basically as a total waste of space, unless of course you condone drug pushing, child abuse, thieving in all forms, violence and general anti-social behaviour.

I like the way you always 'pick up' on what I say, even though I only state things based on facts. I would have thought as a Guardian reader, you would be wary of 'targeting' a woman as it would be seen as unpolitically correct.

All I am doing is playing devils advocate and standing up for the disadvantaged who dont seem to have a voice on this forum. The rich seem to be very well represented.

Apologies if I seem to be targeting you ,which I'm not, but you usually put up the best posts.

[Boyd1963]

Consider me well and truly "flamed"

[willhollin]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

Consider me well and truly "flamed"

[beemerbird]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

Were you not slagging off the poor of Hull in a previous post or did I mis-read it?

Lol, no I was slagging off what Labour haven't done for them! Some of my friends are the 'poor of Hull', this is the point you seem to be missing. I judge a person on who they are, not their social status or wealth, be it gained from birth or otherwise.

My point is that it is easy to take risks when you have family money behind you and so we shouldnt award them with tax breaks.

So we should ultimately just target those born to money to pay more taxes and sod our national heritage and the family estates they have to finance.

I don't know anything about Hull City Council but I find it very hard to believe that the government has a rule to house foreign immigants before UK citizens? Fair enough there will be thousands of "foreigners" in social housing so to be told that there is no more available will feel more than a little annoying

Hull had loads of spare housing, hence it received money to take some of Manchester and Leeds intakes.

The situation I described did happen and yes, I totally agree, it is hard to believe that a UK citizen would be passed over in favour of a foreign immigrant. She was asked if she and her two children could stay with friends or relatives until a property became available. None of us were meant to find out the real reasons but as often the case it's not what you know etc.

Where did I say that I know anybody at the HDM? I was just after more facts. I can only say that it from the hammering Labour got in the national press it seems a bit unlikely that there is a conspiracy to muzzle the press. Maybe the owners of HDM manipulate the news in a leftish manner as opposed the the right wing bias that we normally get. Who knows?

This muzzling of HDM was done by Mr Blair years ago when Hull was suddenly awarded hundreds of immigrants in a city where there was one of the lowest numbers of ethnic minoirites anywhere within the UK. The 'problems' that ensued were kept out of the local press. Word got out as it always does around here (don't ask lol).

My mother was a police office and a recipient of the George Cross.

Full respect to your Mum btw.

Our local Police have had a very hard time with all the above trying to police the above problems and constrained by what they can and cannot do. There have been many problems but again no-one outside of the area knows of it because it has all been kept quiet. I'm serious, there have been some very nasty things happened.

[Steve A]

Originally Posted by xenon

I don't think anyone is advocating fiddling tax, but is your statement implying that it's ok for the poor to fiddle their tax?

it is our god given right to 'fiddle' as much tax as possible without getting caught. The profession is actually called Accountancy.........

[Steve A]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

My mother was a police office and a recipient of the George Cross.

id have given her a medal as well, disguising herself as an office of any kind is quite remarkable

[beemerbird]

Originally Posted by Boyd1963

All I am doing is playing devils advocate and standing up for the disadvantaged who dont seem to have a voice on this forum. The rich seem to be very well represented.

Apologies if I seem to be targeting you ,which I'm not.

I worked out ages ago you enjoy playing devils advocate, but the disadvantaged don't drive E9x BMW's surely? Is this voice necessary in your opinion for your own conscience?

Wish I was rich, but instead I'm a typical woman who never shuts up........there's a sweeping generalisation..........no smoke without fire.

[nik_nak]

Well some interesting reading above.....

I think and hope that the new govenment remember jo public, we are the people who have put them in power.

I think they need to go back to basics.

The NHS need to get people on the front line doing their jobs, I can never get my head around why they need so many managers, admin staff. My dad recently went into hospital to have a new hip, the NHS couldn't do the op in the time frame set down so had to pay a private hospital to do the work WHY WHY WHY??

The Police, - get the police policing not filling in paper work, and having to hit targets, I mean if your good at your job and take pride in to you will track down wrong doers and they will get punished.

Teachers and education - my wife is a teacher and it frightens me when she comes home and tells me the head teacher and his senior management team has lost control of the class rooms, teachers are scared of pupils reporting them for what, trying to help them learn, again get back to basics, all pupils are there to learn, teachers need to be given the power to let them do their jobs not worry about looking at a child the wrong way...

If you can't find work then yes you are given help, but not a handout, why can't you do some public sector work, I don't know help paint the local school, or help in the local park somthing rather than just sitting on your ar*e, get some pride back into your lives.

I work hard, I have a mortgage, I have 2 children whom I try to bring up correctly. I am correct in thinking we would like to think that if someone steals from them the villian would be caught and dealt with correctly, not let off on a technicallity
If I get ill and I have paid into the system that I would be seen by a doctor.
When I send my kids to school they would be taught well and enjoy being there.

is this too much to ask?????????


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