[Fraggy]

Originally Posted by Snakeii

i dont belive that at all, everyone who has driven a e90 or and form of the new bmws WILL see the light come on, it comes on for pulling out of junctions at 3 mph...

Serious, unless I just miss the light. It used to happen frequently in my E46 coupe. Maybe I just need to drive harder

[tctic]

Why do people keep on blaming the DSC system 'messing up' their maneuver in an emergency? The DSC system will not kick in if you are not at the verge of losing stability of the car. It's there to help stabilize the car. When you felt DSC coming on, that's when it's doing the right thing. When you say you were cornering fine just before it kicked in, it's because you are was still stable. When you are not stable anymore, the system kicks in. Now you blame it for intruding you. Ever imagine how much more unstable your car would be or you would have already crashed if you really did turned off the entire system and the DSC system did not react accordingly?

[850CSi]

Originally Posted by tctic

Why do people keep on blaming the DSC system 'messing up' their maneuver in an emergency? The DSC system will not kick in if you are not at the verge of losing stability of the car. It's there to help stabilize the car. When you felt DSC coming on, that's when it's doing the right thing. When you say you were cornering fine just before it kicked in, it's because you are was still stable. When you are not stable anymore, the system kicks in. Now you blame it for intruding you. Ever imagine how much more unstable your car would be or you would have already crashed if you really did turned off the entire system and the DSC system did not react accordingly?

I think some people want DSC to read their minds and know the difference between "I want to get the rear end out" or "I'm so fucked"; I suffer from the same thing and I often wish it was a little less intrusive.

But in the end, I appreciate it's capabilities after nearly totalling my first car and crashing into a median.

[850CSi]

Originally Posted by visor

From what I remember about DTC if it is selected, it works up to a certain speed only (30 mph?) after which DSC will kick in if needed but seemingly less aggressively than DSC on. Reason is that DTC is supposed to be used for low speed low traction conditions (eg. getting out of a snow bank) where DSC would completely prevent any motion at all.

This info is somewhere in the manual, just search it.

I believe it's 50 MPH.

It's kind of useful when you want to do something in the rain/snow that's a little risky and you want the capability of what is in effect a computerized LSD but you also want DSC to save your ass if you go too far.

I also managed with DTC to go up and down an ice rink of a driveway several times. The difference was amazing.

[visor]

Originally Posted by 850CSi

I think some people want DSC to read their minds and know the difference between "I want to get the rear end out" or "I'm so fucked"; I suffer from the same thing and I often wish it was a little less intrusive.

But in the end, I appreciate it's capabilities after nearly totalling my first car and crashing into a median.

The DSC+ in the E90/92 is already much much better (ie. less intrusive) than the car that it replaced, the E46. I know, I came from the latter to the former.

Just be glad that we can turn it off easily in 2 stages if we wanted to, because the IS250/350 drivers have to do a complicated dance with the gas/brakes/handbrake in order to deactivate their VDM.

[visor]

Originally Posted by 850CSi

I believe it's 50 MPH.

It's kind of useful when you want to do something in the rain/snow that's a little risky and you want the capability of what is in effect a computerized LSD but you also want DSC to save your ass if you go too far.

I also managed with DTC to go up and down an ice rink of a driveway several times. The difference was amazing.

Yep, DTC is amazing in those super slippery conditions where you would even slip if you tried walking on the surface. It surprised me too, when I had to drive up an inclined driveway into my garage after a 3 inch snowfall BEFORE I got a chance to change my summer SP tires to winters. I couldn't get anywhere before activating DTC, but after doing that, the car slowly crawled up the driveway as I gave it 30-50% gas with DTC modulating the brakes on the drivewheels.:rocks:

It may have taken like 2 minutes to go 20 feet, but I was able to get into my garage!

[Robin_NL]

March 2005. We had 50cms of snow in about 3hours time. My car was standing at the parking lot(E87 120d at that time waiting on the E90 330), stuck. I switched DTC/DSC off completely, because I wouldn't get far with the system on: Far means 0 centimetres. Even with the stuff turned off I managed to reach the exit of the parking lot, about 40 metres, in about 5 minutes or more.... THAT's RWD as well...(no wintertyres)

The M3 E46 in winterconditions with it's limited slip diff had a bit more traction from standstill in the snow(all systems off, look above why), but I had to take care of the other traffic around me swinging the M3's tail out(looks very sexy) from one side to another(which is normal in those conditions with a limited slip diff).

RWD has it's disadvantages too...

[tctic]

Yes, the DSC does great in the snow. Try turning it off when it snows, the stability of the car is totally different. You have to try to get the car to go out of control with the DSC on. It stops you before you do anything stupid.

[d3l0n]

I Love Driving My 330i In Rain! Both Dsc And Dtc Work Well.. Never Had Dsc Limited During Rain Though.. I Wont Be Stupid Lol. Unless no one else is around of course.. lol ddrrrrriiiiiiffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttt tttttttttttttttttttttttt lol

[bmviz]

I see many good point and opinions in this thread – that great.
My point is that we (almost) all adults should be entitled to make OUR chooses and “mistakes”. I only wish that the “Ultimate Car” designer will give us an option to set our personal defaults.
I love the DTC/DSC in the rain and snow (not much of it in Socal or FL) but on the %99 of the sunny days I don’t need this option on all the time ……(and I’m not mean ABS)
I know that last time that I posted this opinion I was killed by “experts” same way as our SheerSpeed – the young racer, but I will give my 2 cent anyway.

PS: Let be careful on public roads during holidays, it not always all under our control.