[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

I CAN see why he might want to update the board.

Even with CAN someone CANt get decent numbers at the track. Im not going to say any names.

[mkPOTO]

I want

[badass335]

Originally Posted by r45t4m4n

BMS, the Meizu of BMW tuning. Let me guess, canbus, autotuning, gauges in the dash? Maybe finally a button on the dash to switch maps?

+1
I wanna know what's in store and why I shouldn't sell my jb3. From a customer standpoint, telling me something is coming, is not worth the space it's written on.

Tell me what it is so I can either look foward to it or decide if it's really for me or not and move on!

I think it's a fair request as a customer! I have both procede v4 AND jb3 gen 3 with the bells etc. (chip burner, USB data cable, 18&24 ohm resistors bla bla) and I paid retail for everything!

[joyride]

Originally Posted by boostd92

I don't have either, and have spent months researching... (probably have read every tuning thread on these forums).

Coming from a background of building and tuning turbo cars for the last 17 years or so, personally, I will choose the system that is employed by the most competent tuner. Bells and whistles are cool, but when it comes down to it, horsepower and safety are ensured by the tuner that has the best grasp of forced induction based EFI, experience in the field, and technical competence.

For me, from reading everything I can on here and N54tuning, and based on my own personal building/tuning experience, it wasn't that hard to figure out who's really on the ball.

You should also research a certain tuner and how he's acted in the past with the EVO crowd.

Shiv, don't be a d'bag and delete this like other things. Must be nice to filter out the stuff that doesn't go your way...

[cn555ic]

I know you guys are copying most of the Procede stuff in regards to Canbus now, but are you guys even thinking about some of the CPE- standback system?? Is this what you mean more advanced?

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by joyride

You should also research a certain tuner and how he's acted in the past with the EVO crowd.

Shiv, don't be a d'bag and delete this like other things. Must be nice to filter out the stuff that doesn't go your way...

This one will be deleted for sure. One of mine just got deleted because I pointed out that it was costly to upgrade rev1. on another thread

[stren]

FWIW copying only helps competition for the consumer in the short run. In the long run it can discourage R&D because the reward for innovation is reduced i.e. shared with the competition who don't bare the burden of the R&D expense. This is why patents exist. However if you're an engineer who's ever had to try and file a patent you'd know how stupid the process is and how hard to enforce a claim is. For small businesses like BMS and Vishnu, patents are not worth the cost and effort. Therefore copying can and will happen and it sucks to be the one who is copied. The only way to fight it is to be the one innovating first.

I'd be interested to hear the *facts* behind BMS's claim to surpass Procede. Wild claims are meaningless.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by alpinedevil335

Not taking it to heart. Your claims of BMS customers being left behind are totatlly false. False statements usually will start arguments, i would chose my words wisely and speak with FACTS if you dont want people to jump all over you.
The majority of BMS customers dont need/want the advanced features, but if they ever do its way more inexpensive to upgrade than if you were a proceed customer and wanted to upgrade your proceed. OH and mike did say that this will only be available to EXISTING customers with the N54 platform. So the Gen 3 board will be around for a while.

+1

This thread has gotten kinda funny. I'll just say no N54 tuning company has been kinder about upgrades than BMS. And this new board isn't about replacing the G3 board. It's about offering some more advanced stuff for the serious enthusiasts. For the casual map 3 install, forget, and never visit the forums again user I imagine they'll stick with the G3. It's well proven and well loved.

On why I can't release more details it's just not my call. But I'm aware of the overall vision and I think JB3 owners will really dig it.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by themyst

oh geez not again.... I've had both, both make the car faster, one has better software and features and one is cheaper, go with what you like, end of story.

+1

And what people really want is the best of both worlds. Better software and features for less coin. Healthy competition gives that to all of us.

Mike

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by boostd92

I don't have either, and have spent months researching... (probably have read every tuning thread on these forums).

Coming from a background of building and tuning turbo cars for the last 17 years or so, personally, I will choose the system that is employed by the most competent tuner. Bells and whistles are cool, but when it comes down to it, horsepower and safety are ensured by the tuner that has the best grasp of forced induction based EFI, experience in the field, and technical competence.

For me, from reading everything I can on here and N54tech, and based on my own personal building/tuning experience, it wasn't that hard to figure out who's really on the ball.

Fixed

[onefastman]

+1

I wounder how long the $1000 tunes will be around when you can get similar if not better performance for $350.

[i2iSTUDIOS]

I'm looking forward to it, JB3 puts emphasis on being a good product.

[._.]

Originally Posted by onefastman

+1

I wounder how long the $1000 tunes will be around when you can get similar if not better performance for $350.

I'm all for cheaper and more feature rich tunes. Its just insulting when features are being copied and re marketed as revolutionary, especially after being called pointless. Sounds like a play out of Apple's play book.

[Greatest335I]

Originally Posted by yandyr

Even 30sec movie teasers give you enough information to see what it'll be about. This on the other hand, says nothing... but yea.. a "TEASER".. got it

yea thats why they always BAD bc they show you TOO MUCH ACTION !

[yandy]

Originally Posted by Greatest335I

yea thats why they always BAD bc they show you TOO MUCH ACTION !

ok

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by r45t4m4n

I'm all for cheaper and more feature rich tunes. Its just insulting when features are being copied and re marketed as revolutionary, especially after being called pointless. Sounds like a play out of Apple's play book.

Thats the part that irritates me the most...I can understand changes with a tune, but it always after its being called pointless and useless, and then next thing you know its the next best thing!!! I can handle if it was outright stated that its a good feature that we will implement in the future, then to bash it outright in the onset of something new....So far I have not heard anything bad spoken about autotuning of the Procede from JB camp....I guess they have learned their lesson and realize that everything Shiv has come out with is GOLD!

[lyndon_h]

I don't have a problem with Cock Blocking, but if you're going to do it, you should at least give us something better than "Just wait 3-4 months or you'll be sorry you switched".

And before anyone gets all up in arms, I'm not running either tune, but I'm in the market.

[Bagelfast]

Can anyone show me or point me to where BMS/Terry said this new tech, CAN , and how they bashed it?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by onefastman

+1

I wounder how long the $1000 tunes will be around when you can get similar if not better performance for $350.

Some people really are clueless in this thread.

Firstly its not $1000.

Second, if you havnt driven with both and tuned with both nobody should be talking at all.

There are plenty of nut huggers on these forums, and plenty of people who jump on the bandwagon just to jump, or conclude stuff simply cause of what they have.... Finally, there are other people that just regurgitate what they read.... and are still left in the dark. (Here is a hint theres atleast 5 guys in this thread that have ran both tunes in the past 3 months... See what tune they run now... Heres a hint see my sig).

Try em both..... Then you will see the light.

I wonder how long the "$350" tunes will last till people still realizing what they are missing.

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Some people really are clueless in this thread.

Firstly its not $1000.

Second, if you havnt driven with both and tuned with both nobody should be talking at all.

There are plenty of nut huggers on these forums, and plenty of people who jump on the bandwagon just to jump, or conclude stuff simply cause of what they have.... Finally, there are other people that just regurgitate what they read.... and are still left in the dark. (Here is a hint theres atleast 5 guys in this thread that have ran both tunes in the past 3 months... See what tune they run now... Heres a hint see my sig).

Try em both..... Then you will see the light.

I wonder how long the "$350" tunes will last till people still realizing what they are missing.

are you going to upgrade when this new bms board comes out?

[joyride]

Everyone has been bashing on use of the CANbus. But someone please answer this, isn't the CAN an information pathway? You cannot directly control something with the CAN, only broadcast info that those listening to the CAN will use?

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Some people really are clueless in this thread.

Firstly its not $1000.

Second, if you havnt driven with both and tuned with both nobody should be talking at all.

There are plenty of nut huggers on these forums, and plenty of people who jump on the bandwagon just to jump, or conclude stuff simply cause of what they have.... Finally, there are other people that just regurgitate what they read.... and are still left in the dark. (Here is a hint theres atleast 5 guys in this thread that have ran both tunes in the past 3 months... See what tune they run now... Heres a hint see my sig).

Try em both..... Then you will see the light.

I wonder how long the "$350" tunes will last till people still realizing what they are missing.

AMEN!