[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by edgarj

Any update on estimated ship dates yet Shiv?

I should have a good idea by the end of the week. Just waiting on some test results first. I really wish this wasn't the case but I think everyone will be happy in the end

-shiv

[edgarj]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I should have a good idea by the end of the week. Just waiting on some test results first. I really wish this wasn't the case but I think everyone will be happy in the end

-shiv

Shiv-

Thanks for the response. I ordered the kit last week and only have 450 miles on my coupe so far. I'm blown away by this car stock, and I came from an S54 powerplant, so I just can't wait to see what this thing does with the Vishnu push. Thanks again for all of your hard work.

[teknochild]

i still really want to hear a stock exhaust vs xede exhaust clip

[gashero]

Shiv, my car came in 12/23 and now have around 250 miles on it. Just order the xede. Too bad I cant reuse the xede from my evo though. Anyway, I feel sorry for all those skeptics out there.
cheers, wayne

[Jonn335]

Originally Posted by MarvelPhx

Very untrue. The DME is only complicated if you don't know what you are doing or haven't done it before. MSD80 is barely diffferent than MSV70, which in turn, is really not that different from "old" MS45. If BMW themsleves came out with a "ZHP sport version" of 335i software with more boost and 330whp...would you buy it? Or better yet, if Shiv accomplished all that he has inside the DME itself, would you still bother to buy the Xede? The end result would be very different.



Do you think that the Xede does not mess with your warranty? That is a dangerous misconception to have. Even if you remove it, how do you know it doesn't leave traces in the DME adaptations or other plausible values? What if BMW finds those traces? How safe is your warranty if you just overspun a turbo and blew a bearing from a wastegate being kept closed too long by a mystery force? What if this or some other strange problem happens a few times around the nation and BMW begins to investigate it? It is foolish to think BMW doesn't watch the aftermarket. And just because a CEL isn't thrown doesn't mean the DME isn't throwing a internal fault code that the GT1 or OPPS will easily reveal. About 1/4 of the fault codes a DME can throw do not trigger a CEL as they are not emissions related. There is more happening in that DME than what a dyno with AFR shows. And this is not specific to the Xede, a tuner that porks a DME tune has the same possibility.

I'm not knocking the Xede system. I am presenting another view that some may or may not want to express. Challenging a solution only brings about the true R&D that went into it. Vishnu has been in the Evo/WRX world for a good while, but is very new to BMW. And while the Xede has been very successfully used on Mitsu and Subis, BMW DME operation is vastly more complicated than either one of them and should be handled carefully and correctly. My inquiries validate the actual results as being as advertised and safe for the long term for everyone. I myself surely don't want a product that doesn't last, doesn't act as advertised, nor damages my car. Do you?

Finally, BMW doesn't warranty Dinan software at all, Dinan does. The future of 335i tuning will be a very hot topic for a long time and there will surely be many solutions. Until that time, noone knows what the best solution is. As of right now, the Xede is the only option, good or bad.

I am not saying that the MSD80 DME is some magical and incomprehensible thing which is never going to be alterable by the aftermarket. I just think that for now, for a quick, reliable, repeatable power increase the xede is a good solution. I am sure that in the coming months other tuners will come up with other solutions, but for now as you say the xede is the only one, and the early bird gets the worm. Also given the number of adventurous guys who are prepared to help Shiv with beta testing, the exede solution is likley to remain the most proven solution for a long time.
I think we all agree that tuning a direct injection, turbocharged engine is a new and very diferent thing from anything which has been done before. This makes it all the more important that changes are made carefully and methodicaly.
The good news is that BMW has a reputation for building very good engines, and the last thing they want to do is tarnish that reputation by having lots of failures on an engine which is seen by many as being the next step in performance engineering. So, they have been very conservative with the engine, with big margins of safety.
For example one of the biggest reasons for using direct injection is to be able to increase specific output, and this isnt the case in the 335i. (the output is the same or less per litre than many normaly injected turbocharged engines)

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

To be fair, the hardware of the Xede will be changing soon in order to acheive the new RoHS (lead-free) compliance standards. Everything from its chipset to its board layout will be changed. But for now, the hardware has been unchanged for nearly 5 years.

Cheers,
shiv

Is there any benefit to the new XEDE hardware? Or is it just teh RoHS compliance stuff?

Also, I have heard that the new "solenoidless" version of your 335i install looks stock other than in the ECU, but then I read there is is still some boost lines that are re-routed? What is changed under the hood other that the Wires between the XEDE and ECU?

Any update on what you found out over christmas/new years?

Thanks again for all your work.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Is there any benefit to the new XEDE hardware? Or is it just teh RoHS compliance stuff?

Also, I have heard that the new "solenoidless" version of your 335i install looks stock other than in the ECU, but then I read there is is still some boost lines that are re-routed? What is changed under the hood other that the Wires between the XEDE and ECU?

Any update on what you found out over christmas/new years?

Thanks again for all your work.

It's a bit too early to tell what, if any, functionality changes will be made with the Xede. To tell the truth, the redesign process hasn't even started yet so there is absolutely nothing looming in the horizon. Still, I don't expect there to be any significant functionality changes. Our primary objective is to make it RoHS compliant. All maps/software will be compatible between the new and old Xedes so no one will get the feeling that they have something outdated

There is an extra vacuum line that we integrate into the factory vacuum lines that go to your boost control solenoids. To a casual observer and even every BMW tech that has looked at it so far, it looks stock. If you know what to look for though, you'll se it. The good news is that it takes literally 15 seconds to remove as opposed to the 10 min it would take to hid the boost control solenoid and its harness.

We've been working on some nifty stuff this past week as well. Here's a hint:



We've also managed to add a few more features to the system which we'll be beta testing for the next couple of weeks. Features that we have never implemented in any Xede application before (no, not just the remote control map switching feature) but actual hardcore diagnostic/monitoring stuff. More on that later

Cheers,
shiv

[RiXst3r]

Wow, fast reply... that looks sweet! So you could disable the xede remotely while dropping it off at a valet... or many more scenarios... as always, wireless is cool

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's a bit too early to tell what, if any, functionality changes will be made with the Xede. To tell the truth, the redesign process hasn't even started yet so there is absolutely nothing looming in the horizon. Still, I don't expect there to be any significant functionality changes. Our primary objective is to make it RoHS compliant. All maps/software will be compatible between the new and old Xedes so no one will get the feeling that they have something outdated

There is an extra vacuum line that we integrate into the factory vacuum lines that go to your boost control solenoids. To a casual observer and even every BMW tech that has looked at it so far, it looks stock. If you know what to look for though, you'll se it. The good news is that it takes literally 15 seconds to remove as opposed to the 10 min it would take to hid the boost control solenoid and its harness.

We've been working on some nifty stuff this past week as well. Here's a hint:



We've also managed to add a few more features to the system which we'll be beta testing for the next couple of weeks. Features that we have never implemented in any Xede application before (no, not just the remote control map switching feature). More on that later

Cheers,
shiv

Looks cool! And, I take it you won't forget your beta testers when you produce the final product; it would be nice if we could incorporate all of the 335i Xede changes so that our current Xede units are adapted to final product specs.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Looks cool! And, I take it you won't forget your beta testers when you produce the final product; it would be nice if we could incorporate all of the 335i Xede changes so that our current Xede units are adapted to final product specs.

I don't think you have anything to worry about

-shiv

[bnj]

If that means that the installation is easy that's great news! Nice! I'm not going to remove my Xede, ever... so I don't care how many minutes or hours removing it would take. Also if I need to select from between better and worse maps, let's see... I would select the better one. Always.

(I could benefit from two maps, had I racing gas easily available.)

[RiXst3r]

I would definatly turn the xede to the base map every time my wife was going to drive the car

[teknochild]

omfg, is it going to be a remote controlled map switch????

[bnj]

My girlfriends are good with stick and the ride is more than satisfying for them with full boost

[2007/335i/coupe]

Originally Posted by teknochild

omfg, is it going to be a remote controlled map switch????

Bingo! When he mentioned it to me at my installation, I couldn't help but smile and think how awesome it is to have this option. :rocks:

[teknochild]

Originally Posted by 2007/335i/coupe

Bingo! When he mentioned it to me at my installation, I couldn't help but smile and think how awesome it is to have this option. :rocks:

hell yea thats awsome, i was thinking about this before and thought it would be even easier then running a wire into the cockpit

i dont much care for the take with you ness of it, id rather it just be a switch in the car, but still 10x better than a wired switch

[2007/335i/coupe]

Same here, portability was not the selling point for me as well. It's just nice to have less wires running through here and there. But it would be just as sweet if there was a button on the steering wheel, like the E60 M5, where you can push it to switch fuel maps.

I was just about to call Shiv and ask how the remote switch was coming along. Shiv, you are the man!

[MichaelATL]

i actually like the wireless switch too. you can leave it wherever you want in the car... ashtray, console, your pocket... very good idea. i'd rather not run the wire and cut a hole for a switch!

only, you should have some confirmation of your setting... having to cycle through settings would be bad without some kind of confirmation. not saying that it isn't obvious when XEDE is on...

i'm sure shiv is working on this

[teknochild]

well i dont know how hardware dependant it will be, but it will probably be possibly to switch out the switch to a diffrent RC switch when you get it, maybe one with a better form thats geared more toward mounting

cant wait!!!

[OpenFlash]

The RF remote control system I'm testing right now consist of a little electronic board and a keyfob. The board sits next to our computer (under the ECU cover.) The keyfob using a rolling code transmission which provides security as well as eliminates the possibility of ANOTHER nearly user accidently switching the maps in YOUR car...lol. Later I'll try using the factory universal remote control system built into the car (integrated into the rearview mirror). With 3 buttons there, you'd still have 2 left over for you garage doors

Cheers,
shiv

[aerisolphaln]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Later I'll try using the factory universal remote control system built into the car (integrated into the rearview mirror).
Cheers,
shiv

That would be about the MOST AWESOME solution for the map switch!!! It is just killing me that I still have lease time on my G until I can get my hands on a new 335i and your product.

Nick

[teknochild]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The RF remote control system I'm testing right now consist of a little electronic board and a keyfob. The board sits next to our computer (under the ECU cover.) The keyfob using a rolling code transmission which provides security as well as eliminates the possibility of ANOTHER nearly user accidently switching the maps in YOUR car...lol. Later I'll try using the factory universal remote control system built into the car (integrated into the rearview mirror). With 3 buttons there, you'd still have 2 left over for you garage doors

Cheers,
shiv

if you got it working with the rearview that would be sweet, is the remote paired with the board, like do they come together, would it be easy to find another switch that would work with the board