[themyst]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

I haven't been able to see an honest 439 whp on my car yet, with meth and 20 PSI So, I need to make a new test on the Direct Drive (5th gear) and see how much I'll gain

If it were 50 degrees F ambient or less with race gas @ 20psi, I think I could get 440+whp.

Not on pump gas though. That's just lunacy

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by themyst

If it were 50 degrees F ambient or less with race gas @ 20psi, I think I could get 440+whp.

Not on pump gas though. That's just lunacy

based upon your dyno numbers and what your were running, I would have to agree that on pump gas seeing those numbers there is no chance....but if the OP feels its accurate then who are we to say!

[nood1es]

Lol, pump gas..stock turbos..no meth or racegas and you think you're making that much power? Too bad you aren't close for $ runs. Be like shooting fish in a cup.

[packinDSS]

Originally Posted by nood1es

Lol, pump gas..stock turbos..no meth or racegas and you think you're making that much power? Too bad you aren't close for $ runs. Be like shooting fish in a cup.

[edo]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

And above all that, you're getting so heated and childish defending it and refuse to accept that your dyno result is far from accurate. Cool, the dyno sheet says that HP number, but the variables you controlled make this a worthless comparison.

Childish defending? I would say there were a lot of silly and childish attempts to prove I was telling a lie or smth like that. And I presented facts, not arguments like "it is impossible". And those stupid posts get appropriate answers.
Worthless comparison? Maybe. I provided my baseline runs from two different dynos, dyno graphs, log of the run, also results of other cars that were dynoed that evening. Still not enough? OK then. You can just ignore this thread.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

The info you provided proves how faulty the 439hp dyno result is. 16.9 on pump with Your mods is in the 385hp range.

I see. So, how much power, in your opinion, I usually do with 15.9PSI? All stage 3 mods, 98 (94 AKI) octane fuel, latest autotune maps, cool climate.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Can't wait to see the results of a different dyno! Please don't avoid posting the results if/when they Are more realistic.

I will surely do. And I do believe that the numbers will be lower. As I've written many times before - I usually boost less.

[edo]

OK, I'm tired of this BS.
If it only makes you feel better, lets say I made 385 whp and that the second run doesn't count. Yeah, probably dyno operator didn't like my haircut or something else and manipulated the results. Or maybe I broke the dynamometer as my car was the last one. Who knows.

Take care.

[packinDSS]

Originally Posted by edo

OK, I'm tired of this BS.
If it only makes you feel better, lets say I made 385 whp and that the second run doesn't count. Yeah, probably dyno operator didn't like my haircut or something else and manipulated the results. Or maybe I broke the dynamometer as my car was the last one. Who knows.

Take care.

just go over to n54tech.com (that other site).....tell them you dyno'd this with a JB3 and they will support you 100%

[edo]

Originally Posted by packinDSS

just go over to n54tech.com (that other site).....tell them you dyno'd this with a JB3 and they will support you 100%

Yeah, I've noticed that manufacturer, seller and owners of the other tune love records (but just when using their tune)

[enrita]

is very simple. go for a Vbox run. You do 100-200 in about 8-8,5 seconds than you are close to the 439 whp. If you do it in 9-9,5 than you are close to 385 . As simple as that.
There is no wonder car time tell always the truth. Actually you could send me the file as well. Just do a 3rd gear pull "i know" someone that can calculate hp with that.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by edo

Childish defending? I would say there were a lot of silly and childish attempts to prove I was telling a lie or smth like that. And I presented facts, not arguments like "it is impossible". And those stupid posts get appropriate answers.
Worthless comparison? Maybe. I provided my baseline runs from two different dynos, dyno graphs, log of the run, also results of other cars that were dynoed that evening. Still not enough? OK then. You can just ignore this thread.

I see. So, how much power, in your opinion, I usually do with 15.9PSI? All stage 3 mods, 98 (94 AKI) octane fuel, latest autotune maps, cool climate.

I will surely do. And I do believe that the numbers will be lower. As I've written many times before - I usually boost less.

No!! You absolutely need to dyno your car at the exact same psi, same everything! Otherwise you'll just say "but it still makes 439 at 16.9psi" your next dyno won't read Lower cause you're pushing less psi, it'll read lower cause the dyno is working properly and will give an accurate reading (or so we hope)

At 15.9psi with your mods And fuel, I'd say you should be around 375-385hp, And around 390tq - on a dynojet corrected STD. Look at the dyno chart sticky.

Do you still really think, even a little bit, that your engine is honestly pushing 439hp with spiking at 16.9psi? A realistic assumption for your car is 380.

[edo]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

your next dyno won't read Lower cause you're pushing less psi, it'll read lower cause the dyno is working properly and will give an accurate reading (or so we hope) .

Then I'm really sorry for a friend of mine whose E92 M3 MT made 340whp on the same dyno, just 5 minutes before my run. He'll probably make 290whp on a dyno that is working properly. Not to speak about other 8 cars

Originally Posted by BrianMN

At 15.9psi with your mods And fuel, I'd say you should be around 375-385hp, And around 390tq - on a dynojet corrected STD. Look at the dyno chart sticky.

OK, thanks.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Do you still really think, even a little bit, that your engine is honestly pushing 439hp with spiking at 16.9psi? A realistic assumption for your car is 380.

I don't think my engine is pushing 439whp. But I don't know what happened with that run.

[edo]

Can someone tell why I can't change the title of the thread?

[jblackwell]

Why would you want to do that? It's a WORLD RECORD run.

[edo]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Why would you want to do that? It's a WORLD RECORD run.

I'm worried that you and some other folks can't sleep at night thinking about it.

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by edo

I don't think my engine is pushing 439whp.

So, what is all this arguing about then?

[cstmx_ryder]

+1

Whatever, just let the OP believe he's got 439 hp under the hood with all his mods. Even though there are more than enough people on this forum with the same or similar type of mods that couldn't see past 400 hp........

The OP keeps saying that he's tired of all this BS. All this BS? LOL, the only BS is the fact that you discredit what the majority of us are saying, without any valid counter points. Understand that we're not trying to rain on your parade, but just trying to snap you back to reality. It sounds like you're trying to say that whoever has disagreed with your 439 hp output, doesn't know what they're talking about, really?

Well, I guess you believe in Santa Clause too, no?

Not to be an @ss, but you're really not seeing where we're coming from when making the statements that we've made. If you REALLY think your car pushes 439 hp with the supporting mods you've got, then do some other testings and post them. Facts and evidence supporting your facts will always shut the non-believers up, not personal opinions.

[cn555ic]

Well one thing to note as for this thread is that Shiv has not once commented on this thread. He comments on almost all threads dealing with Procede and awesome dyno numbers. That should say enough period

[thwgw24]

If my car was dynoed 439whp @16.9 psi, I would simply ask the dyno operator to give me one extra run because I know that number is somehow inaccurate.

[themyst]

At that boost level and supporting octane (his octane is higher than what we typically see in the US) 390-400rw is probably more in line. Not knowing anything about fan quality or ambient temps, not much more we can deduce.

[R1000K3]

Gents,

There is something fishy with the second dyno run in OP http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...51&postcount=1

I think we can agree in that power and torque are equal at 5250 rpm per definition of how hp is calculated (hp=torque*rpm/5252).

The power at 5250 rpm is 475 hp. The Torque at 5250 rpm is 420 lbf-ft (570 Nm). This reveals an error of 475-420= 55 hp. The error coincides exactly to the power increase between 4th and 5th, which was 54 hp

I know this will not convince EDO, and couldn't care less to be honest, but it is clear that the dyno operator has made a major mistake. despite he has extensive experience from 1000 dyno pulls

Game Over.

[edo]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

So, what is all this arguing about then?

Just quote everything, not a part of the answer. And the answer will be there,

Originally Posted by thwgw24

If my car was dynoed 439whp @16.9 psi, I would simply ask the dyno operator to give me one extra run because I know that number is somehow inaccurate.

And what if you saw the logs just after comming home, huh?

Originally Posted by themyst

At that boost level and supporting octane (his octane is higher than what we typically see in the US) 390-400rw is probably more in line. Not knowing anything about fan quality or ambient temps, not much more we can deduce.

Yes, indeed. Our fuel octane is higher and much better quality. I wrote about the air temperature in the first post (~50F). A big fan, hood opened. I hope I'll edit and post the vid next weekend.

[R1000K3]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=87