Sneak Peak: www.PROCEDETUNING.com and $645 Procedes

cuban335i · 11-26-2010, 08:08 PM

as long as there are no hardware updates that I have to pay for, I'll be happy.. but this thing with locked vins is going to take a dump on the resale of a unit and I'm not ok with that..

PKumarM3 · 11-26-2010, 08:09 PM

although being unable to sell ur piggyback if you are selling your car does suck, VIN locking was the way the older Shark systems that Jim Conforti used to design were. Once used, the unit only was used for one car.

It is financially smart and safe. Vishnu makes money and the unit is specific for your car only - and if you want to unlock it, theres a price to pay. The more units there are, the lower the resale becomes anyways. This is just a way to protect the value of the unit.

I was hoping for a black friday deal, but thankfully they came out with a $645 unit. I also love the new website. It outlines what each additional upgrade does. I will just get the enthusiast set up and just keep it as it is.

OpenFlash · 11-26-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

It seems that may be a consequence of where the technology is going...

Yep... Imagine what a single unlocked DME flashing/programming unit will do to a market. And to the wallet of the team that took the time and spent the resources to develop it.

Shiv

cuban335i · 11-26-2010, 08:15 PM

^ that makes sense, i just wish it wasn't so

AltecBX · 11-26-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It will lock to your car. Nothing to worry about. I think the best way to think of the whole VIN locking thing is that it is v5 firmware that locks to the first car it is run on. It is NOT the Procede unit that locks on anything.

it sort of the BT Tool when you first use it on a bmw, it locks to that vin?

pits200 · 11-26-2010, 08:21 PM

The problem is that people who bought the v4 purchased them under false pretenses. Similar to a law, people are usually grandfathered in as long as things happened prior to the rule change.

Im just not sure what would happen if I just didn't upgrade to the v5 then?

Kind of shady business if you ask me to maximize sales prior to the implementation.

techlogik · 11-26-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cuban335i

as long as there are no hardware updates that I have to pay for, I'll be happy.. but this thing with locked vins is going to take a dump on the resale of a unit and I'm not ok with that..

Haha...you are worried about resale value? You shouldn't have bought your car...because it will depreciate $25K in the first 3 years..how does that compare to $150??!?!

People fret over the littlest things, and just accept the norm of massive depreciation, insurance/gas/monthy payment/interest costs etc...that cost tens and thousands of dollars over a few years.

onesuperboi · 11-26-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pits200

The problem is that people who bought the v4 purchased them under false pretenses. Similar to a law, people are usually grandfathered in as long as things happened prior to the rule change.

Im just not sure what would happen if I just didn't upgrade to the v5 then?

Kind of shady business if you ask me to maximize sales prior to the implementation.

It's not shady at all.

The resale value already went down since the new price is $645 when others on the board are selling for $750-800 used. It's only a problem for those that want to sell their tune.

He hasn't mentioned yet the price of activating another VIN for the PROcede, has he?

BrianMN · 11-26-2010, 08:31 PM

I do understand the logic behind locking it to the VIN, it's the same way with software and other technologies. Does it hurt the resale? Maybe. But I bought the tune to use for myself for 4-5 years...so losing $100 at resale isn't going to get my blood boiling. Most people buy the tune for themselves...and the lower resale is a small portion in the grand scheme of selling the car/buying a new car.

OpenFlash · 11-26-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pits200

The problem is that people who bought the v4 purchased them under false pretenses. Similar to a law, people are usually grandfathered in as long as things happened prior to the rule change.

Im just not sure what would happen if I just didn't upgrade to the v5 then?

Kind of shady business if you ask me to maximize sales prior to the implementation.

If you don't want to update to v5, just run v4. It's what you purchased and that will never change. It works flawlessly and it's arguably the best tune option on the market. It will not lock to any car. Nor will it require any VIN license purchase when transferred to the next buyer.

onesuperboi · 11-26-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by techlogik

Haha...you are worried about resale value? You shouldn't have bought your car...because it will depreciate $25K in the first 3 years..how does that compare to $150??!?!

People fret over the littlest things, and just accept the norm of massive depreciation, insurance/gas/monthy payment/interest costs etc...that cost tens and thousands of dollars over a few years.

+1

People can just get the JB3 tune and let the engine knock.

Or better yet, get a flash. But then the flash is VIN specific as well and you can't resell it...

themyst · 11-26-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cuban335i

as long as there are no hardware updates that I have to pay for, I'll be happy.. but this thing with locked vins is going to take a dump on the resale of a unit and I'm not ok with that..

+1. I am not happy with these developments, but I will use a wait and see approach.

pits200 · 11-26-2010, 08:34 PM

Its not about the idea of making some of the money back on resale, it's about the principle of the matter.

I just wonder on the original website if it mentioned the ability to use the procede on other vehicles or not.

I could care less about the $300 or $400 but I don't like being promised one thing then having that change.

OpenFlash · 11-26-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by onesuperboi

He hasn't mentioned yet the price of activating another VIN for the PROcede, has he?

Yep, it's $150. Or FREE if the Procede owner wants to transfer it to another car that they purchased.

AltecBX · 11-26-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If you don't want to update to v5, just run v4. It's what you purchased and that will never change. It works flawlessly and it's arguably the best tune option on the market. It will not lock to any car. Nor will it require any VIN license purchase when transferred to the next buyer.

Shiv, this doesn't apply to the beta users?

pits200 · 11-26-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by onesuperboi

+1

Just get the JB3 tune and let your engine knock instead.

Or better yet, get a flash. Oh wait, you won't be able to resell the flash, won't you? It's VIN specific as well. Where are the complaints about that?

The point is, at least with the flash people knew that they couldn't transfer the flash to another vehicle. While with the procede every person who purchased thought they could transfer it at will and was one of the selling aspects.

Im not denying the quality of the procede at all, its a fantastic product but I just dislike this bait and switch tactic. I mean, I probably wont even be selling this car for 3 or 4 years, so it's a moot point for me, but it's just an overall complaint with the marketing.

themyst · 11-26-2010, 08:37 PM

I am wondering if and when there is a V6 (or another feature to V5 not included on initial release) will even us old rev.2 owners still have to pony up $50 a feature? Or are we completely exempt from purchasing any add-ons moving forward?

OpenFlash · 11-26-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

I am wondering if and when there is a V6 (or another feature to V5 not included on initial release) will even us old rev.2 owners still have to pony up $50 a feature? Or are we completely exempt from purchasing any add-ons moving forward?

Nope... no ponying up for more map activations (when/if they are made available). Consider all current users exempt from this pay-as-you-go approach. You guys have nothing to worry about. Especially when it comes to resale value. "Earlier" Procedes will always be in demand.

Shiv

themyst · 11-26-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Nope... no ponying up for more map activations (when/if they are made available). Consider all current users exempt from this pay-as-you-go approach. You guys have nothing to worry about. Especially when it comes to resale value. Sheeesh....

Shiv

fixed?

OpenFlash · 11-26-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by themyst

fixed?

lol... yep

packinDSS · 11-26-2010, 08:44 PM

This vin lock thing reminds me of how my sct xcal2 handheld flasher worked on my cobra.

Shiv in a previous post you mentioned flash/tuner...............you also keep mentioning the future and that vin locking will make sense to us...........IS THE PROCEDE HEADING TOWARDS A HYBRID FLASH AND TUNE DEVICE?

!!!

bryans2k · 11-26-2010, 08:45 PM

Its a rip to have to pay any amount of money to resale. Not only does the person who buys the unit have to pay $150 but the person selling has to pay too since the unit they are selling is useless without it. This is utter BS and greed.

Bryan

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cuban335i Brigadier General 237 Rep 3,550 Posts Drives: 535i xdrive Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: central NJ iTrader: (18)	as long as there are no hardware updates that I have to pay for, I'll be happy.. but this thing with locked vins is going to take a dump on the resale of a unit and I'm not ok with that.. __________________ Current: '13 F10 535i xDrive - lightly modded for now Previous: '12 e92 M3 Melbourne Red/Bamboo - ADV.1 ADV10, Volk TE37SL, OSS, Innotech F1, Arkym, iND '09 e92 335i Alpine White/Saddle Brown - fully modded
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PKumarM3 Air India 147 Rep 1,834 Posts Drives: 2018 Dodge Durango Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (8)	although being unable to sell ur piggyback if you are selling your car does suck, VIN locking was the way the older Shark systems that Jim Conforti used to design were. Once used, the unit only was used for one car. It is financially smart and safe. Vishnu makes money and the unit is specific for your car only - and if you want to unlock it, theres a price to pay. The more units there are, the lower the resale becomes anyways. This is just a way to protect the value of the unit. I was hoping for a black friday deal, but thankfully they came out with a $645 unit. I also love the new website. It outlines what each additional upgrade does. I will just get the enthusiast set up and just keep it as it is. __________________ PKumarM3
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cuban335i Brigadier General 237 Rep 3,550 Posts Drives: 535i xdrive Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: central NJ iTrader: (18)	^ that makes sense, i just wish it wasn't so __________________ Current: '13 F10 535i xDrive - lightly modded for now Previous: '12 e92 M3 Melbourne Red/Bamboo - ADV.1 ADV10, Volk TE37SL, OSS, Innotech F1, Arkym, iND '09 e92 335i Alpine White/Saddle Brown - fully modded
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pits200 Colonel 552 Rep 2,598 Posts Drives: 09 335i X-Drive Black Sapphire Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (1)	The problem is that people who bought the v4 purchased them under false pretenses. Similar to a law, people are usually grandfathered in as long as things happened prior to the rule change. Im just not sure what would happen if I just didn't upgrade to the v5 then? Kind of shady business if you ask me to maximize sales prior to the implementation.
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BrianMN Banned 117 Rep 2,428 Posts Drives: 4 Door Family Sedan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis iTrader: (7)	I do understand the logic behind locking it to the VIN, it's the same way with software and other technologies. Does it hurt the resale? Maybe. But I bought the tune to use for myself for 4-5 years...so losing $100 at resale isn't going to get my blood boiling. Most people buy the tune for themselves...and the lower resale is a small portion in the grand scheme of selling the car/buying a new car.
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pits200 Colonel 552 Rep 2,598 Posts Drives: 09 335i X-Drive Black Sapphire Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (1)	Its not about the idea of making some of the money back on resale, it's about the principle of the matter. I just wonder on the original website if it mentioned the ability to use the procede on other vehicles or not. I could care less about the $300 or $400 but I don't like being promised one thing then having that change.
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themyst Major General 189 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	I am wondering if and when there is a V6 (or another feature to V5 not included on initial release) will even us old rev.2 owners still have to pony up $50 a feature? Or are we completely exempt from purchasing any add-ons moving forward? __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT
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packinDSS Lead Foot 19 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Sedan Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (1)	This vin lock thing reminds me of how my sct xcal2 handheld flasher worked on my cobra. Shiv in a previous post you mentioned flash/tuner...............you also keep mentioning the future and that vin locking will make sense to us...........IS THE PROCEDE HEADING TOWARDS A HYBRID FLASH AND TUNE DEVICE? !!!
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bryans2k Private First Class 8 Rep 123 Posts Drives: beamer Join Date: May 2009 Location: bummerville,tx iTrader: (1)	Its a rip to have to pay any amount of money to resale. Not only does the person who buys the unit have to pay $150 but the person selling has to pay too since the unit they are selling is useless without it. This is utter BS and greed. Bryan
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