[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

This is the last post to help you understand...otherwise it's hopeless.

Let's disect this sentence:

Originally Posted by BrianMN
If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.
Now, can we agree autotuning is meant to raise or lower boost based on conditions (fuel quality, climate, carbon,overall health, etc..

OK. So if Customer A runs Map 5 (autotuning) and the JB autotunes him/her down to 11psi, that means that at 13.5psi for Customer A's unique conditions is too aggressive. It can easily be the other way around. Conditions can near perfect, and autotuning will raise boost to 15.5psi...1psi higher than map2 or whatever; making map 2 too conservative for Customer A's unique conditions at that time. It is EASILY understandable that a JB car in uniquely poor conditions will autotune to 11psi...meaning that 13.5psi (map 1)is too aggressive. It's autotuning that would declare it too aggressive; not me.
So, what I've been saying has nothing to do with generalized aggressiveness of the maps. Nothing to do with Map 1 being too aggressive. Nothing to do with a non-autotuning map being unhealthy. Re-read my posts and show me where I said that, hahaha.

Good luck.

LOL..

No one is arguing how autotuning works and what it is meant to do.
You argue that map 1 is too agressive compared to an autotuning map that can possibly be way too conservative in its alpha form. Maybe your choice of words were a bit off. The only thing you have done is sound like a broken record and repeat over and over how autotuning works. You have not presented any factual data showing map1 to be too agressive in certain conditions.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by chili36

LOL..

No one is arguing how autotuning works and what it is meant to do.
You argue that map 1 is too agressive compared to an autotuning map that can possibly be way too conservative in its alpha form. Maybe your choice of words were a bit off. The only thing you have done is sound like a broken record and repeat over and over how autotuning works. You have not presented any factual data showing map1 to be too agressive in certain conditions.

Map1 is a pretty solid map at a wide range of conditions!

Mike

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

This is the last post to help you understand...otherwise it's hopeless.

Let's disect this sentence:

Originally Posted by BrianMN
If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.
Now, can we agree autotuning is meant to raise or lower boost based on conditions (fuel quality, climate, carbon,overall health, etc..

OK. So if Customer A runs Map 5 (autotuning) and the JB autotunes him/her down to 11psi, that means that at 13.5psi for Customer A's unique conditions is too aggressive. It can easily be the other way around. Conditions can near perfect, and autotuning will raise boost to 15.5psi...1psi higher than map2 or whatever; making map 2 too conservative for Customer A's unique conditions at that time. It is EASILY understandable that a JB car in uniquely poor conditions will autotune to 11psi...meaning that 13.5psi (map 1)is too aggressive. It's autotuning that would declare it too aggressive; not me.
So, what I've been saying has nothing to do with generalized aggressiveness of the maps. Nothing to do with Map 1 being too aggressive. Nothing to do with a non-autotuning map being unhealthy. Re-read my posts and show me where I said that, hahaha.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by chili36

LOL..

No one is arguing how autotuning works and what it is meant to do.
You argue that map 1 is too agressive compared to an autotuning map that can possibly be way too conservative in its alpha form. Maybe your choice of words were a bit off. The only thing you have done is sound like a broken record and repeat over and over how autotuning works. You have not presented any factual data showing map1 to be too agressive in certain conditions.

Wow...look at the post you are replying to. LOOK AT THE BOLDED WORDS. I clearly state at the end that I am NOT blatantly claiming Map 1 is too aggressive. It's hypothetically describing what would happen in a wide variety of conditions.

And how I described the reactions of Autotuning were bottom-line facts...please tell me what is not.

Are you sure your name isn't Sticky?

Sorry for the derail of this thread; it shouldn't have taken 5 posts for this guy to figure this out.

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Map1 is a pretty solid map at a wide range of conditions!

Mike

C'mon. You should be smart enough to know what I was discussing and describing.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Wow...look at the post you are replying to. LOOK AT THE BOLDED WORDS. I clearly state at the end that I am NOT blatantly claiming Map 1 is too aggressive. It's hypothetically describing what would happen in a wide variety of conditions.

WOW talk about backpedaling! Now your not blatantly Claiming anything? Nice try but your post below says otherwise.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.

Thats blatant if you ask me.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

And how I described the reactions of Autotuning were bottom-line facts...please tell me what is not.

Again, the broken record! Yes you know how autotuning works! Good for you!!
NOTICE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS!

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Are you sure your name isn't Sticky?

No, But I get along great with him. I can see why/how you probably would not.

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Map1 is a pretty solid map at a wide range of conditions!Mike

Nuff said. BYE BYE!

[mase]

Originally Posted by chili36

WOW talk about backpedaling! Now your not blatantly Claiming anything? Nice try but your post below says otherwise.

Thats blatant if you ask me.

Again, the broken record! Yes you know how autotuning works! Good for you!!
NOTICE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS!


No, But I get along great with him. I can see why/how you probably would not.

Nuff said. BYE BYE!

really? I read just the last 3 comments and I can see what BrianMN is saying.

Autotuning changes boost to the maximal setting the car will handle.

If autotuning determines that 11psi is the highest a given car with given conditions can handle, then Map 1 at 13.5psi is too aggressive for this car in these conditions.

How is that hard to understand? I don't even know why this argument started, but I'm probably just repeating what BrianMN said.

[enrita]

yeah pretty clear and easy to understand .... 1+1=2 and not 3

[chili36]

You guys should catch up before you post. The argument is not about how autotuning works! Which I have made very clear several times.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Guys, can we not derail this thread. Take your arguments to PM.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by mase

really? I read just the last 3 comments and I can see what BrianMN is saying.

Autotuning changes boost to the maximal setting the car will handle.

If autotuning determines that 11psi is the highest a given car with given conditions can handle, then Map 1 at 13.5psi is too aggressive for this car in these conditions.

How is that hard to understand? I don't even know why this argument started, but I'm probably just repeating what BrianMN said.

The issue that autotuning right now is in its infancy and overly conservative. So the statement about map aggression is ONLY true if this was the final autotuning logic.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Spydeputy

dumb question maybe, and the answer is probably somewhere in these 5 pages. but i didn't see it on page one. ripped out the JB3 and sent in my core. JB4 sitting here waiting for my BMW to get back from the shop w/ a new recalled HPFP. anyhow, do we switch maps in the 4 the same way we did in the 3, but just 7 to pick from? thanks

No map switching is done via the steering wheel controls now.

All you had to do is look at the first post

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Any more reviews guys..

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Thread got buried and I am getting a lot of PMs/emails about where to download the latest firmware so I am pumping the thread

Mike

[mchoy]

Is this the most recent update?

[Bagelfast]

yup

[osukf09]

Originally Posted by chili36

LOL..

No one is arguing how autotuning works and what it is meant to do.
You argue that map 1 is too agressive compared to an autotuning map that can possibly be way too conservative in its alpha form. Maybe your choice of words were a bit off. The only thing you have done is sound like a broken record and repeat over and over how autotuning works. You have not presented any factual data showing map1 to be too agressive in certain conditions.

Lol I'm sorry but after reading your bickering in this thread and your last comment, you really need to go back to school...maybe practice for the SAT. Perhaps a specific section called Reading Comprehension.

That is all, end rant.

[grimloktt]

To bring this thread back around, are/will all the updates be posted on the first post of this thread?

How often is (historically) the JB4 software updated?

Autotune map was mentioned about it being in its infancy (beta) a number of months ago; is it now gtg? Thnx!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by grimloktt

To bring this thread back around, are/will all the updates be posted on the first post of this thread?

How often is (historically) the JB4 software updated?

Autotune map was mentioned about it being in its infancy (beta) a number of months ago; is it now gtg? Thnx!

JB4 is usually updated every 1-2 months or so.. Actually I will start a new thread later today with the latest firmware

Mike

[grimloktt]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

JB4 is usually updated every 1-2 months or so.. Actually I will start a new thread later today with the latest firmware

Mike

Wow, very quick reply! And, any info on my autotune question?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by grimloktt

Wow, very quick reply! And, any info on my autotune question?

Yes autotune has been revised and improved several times since Feb

Mike

[Randomaccess335]

Just changed to auto tune for the first time since I updated to 9/16, and my car seems to pull harder. And according to the oil/boost gauge I'm hitting higher boost feels much stronger

[taylors335]

im goin to update tmrw , is the "software" the new interface ? or will the 9/16 interface work , im on the 9/16 update.

thanks !

[Randomaccess335]

I always delete all my jb stuff off my computer and download new interface and hex each time.
Don't forget to install the drivers