[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11207
JB3 Vs Cobb

BTW

It's already proven that dinan cars run similar times against JB3 and Procede cars when a tune is the only thing that has been added.

105-107 traps are not near any of the piggies at the track my friend.

Here is the owner of the dinan stage car that will easily admit the performance of the tune... and I think he was automatic making it even easier to stay ahead and still didnt. To drive around someone like that at the track shows a lot more power, clearly.

Hey guys...several of us from the DFW area went to the drag strip last Saturday. We had several 335s (JB3, JB4, Proceed, Dinan), plus an E90 M3, a '96 Dodge Viper GTS, and a '10 GTR. We had a pretty strong headwind all day and we all struggled with traction, but it was a lot of fun!

If it's any indication, the fastest of the 335s was the JB4 running map 2 with a 12.9 @ 105. None of the other 335s could crack into the 12s. The best I managed with my Dinan was a 13.2 - same as the Proceed & JB3. The Viper ran a 12.4 and the GTR ran a high 11.

I took some cool video with my new GoPro. Here's one of me against the JB4 (720p):

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

WOW Sniz you are really drinking the haterade (gulp, gulp. gulp). You know JB3, Procede and Dinan produce the same results when added to a stock car? No matter what the case those are the facts. BTW a stock 335 traps at 103-104 and 1/4 mile being 13.4 -13.5. Im under the impression that you think a stocker does 107 traps.

sorry man no haterade here, just realismisticarade.

Dinan makes a good tune for what it is, as fast as the piggies it is not and never will be, Steve Dinan will make sure of that as his pocket book is funding any repairs.

[cleex024]

Originally Posted by Toker335i

Way to go picking the COBB! Got mine from **********s as well. You will not be disappointed. I love it. Forget piggies lol

why do you say forget piggies? some people like piggies just because it has been out for a while therefore having more options as in maps and such.

[cleex024]

so with the cobb and i might get a bolt on ic (with no cutting anything out to fit it in) and some downpipes...what do you guys estimate in gains? ic and downpipes should gain me 40 hp total? then another 50 with cobb?

[Black Gold]

The real power and safe gains for a daily driver will be on a car with fmic, dp and a Cobb protune.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by cleex024

so with the cobb and i might get a bolt on ic (with no cutting anything out to fit it in) and some downpipes...what do you guys estimate in gains? ic and downpipes should gain me 40 hp total? then another 50 with cobb?

with dp's, fmic and stage 1 Cobb, i would say that you could easily make 60-70whp. that's conservative.

a protune would probably get you @ 80-90whp and you'll be running 100% safe with ZERO knock and perfect air fuels.

[cleex024]

well i already bought the stage 1 cobb ap...can i exchange it for the protune for free later down the road? or should i just exchange it now...i just bought it yesterday and should be on its way now.

and getting a little off topic here...how long would i be able to drive the car if i dont run it too hard with all these boltons and tunes?? like 150k miles?? =)

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by cleex024

well i already bought the stage 1 cobb ap...can i exchange it for the protune for free later down the road? or should i just exchange it now...i just bought it yesterday and should be on its way now.

and getting a little off topic here...how long would i be able to drive the car if i dont run it too hard with all these boltons and tunes?? like 150k miles?? =)

You still need the Cobb AP to get Pro-Tuned.

The Cobb AP is like your little gateway for every single map that will ever be released, wether it's a Over the Shelf Map, a Pro Tuned Map, or a ATR Map.

The Pro Tuning is done on the dyno, and the map is uploaded to your Cobb AP.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by cleex024

well i already bought the stage 1 cobb ap...can i exchange it for the protune for free later down the road? or should i just exchange it now...i just bought it yesterday and should be on its way now.

and getting a little off topic here...how long would i be able to drive the car if i dont run it too hard with all these boltons and tunes?? like 150k miles?? =)

There is nothing to exchange.... when Stage 2, Pro-tune and ATR come available you will be able to use them.

Pro tune means you have a professional tune the car to get the most HP out of your specific car and modifications using your Cobb AP and their software. You will need to pay a specific tuner to do this.

ATR means you the end user tunes the car for your specific modifications. Which doesnt sound like it would be for you. In theory in the future people will be able to share their maps and download them.

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by Sniz

sorry man no haterade here, just realismisticarade.

Dinan makes a good tune for what it is, as fast as the piggies it is not and never will be, Steve Dinan will make sure of that as his pocket book is funding any repairs.

lol yea ur up to ur eyeballs in it. Dinan is quite obviously no match if a car has added other mods aside from just the chip. BUT tune vs tune on a stock car they all perform the same. I'm sorry to break ur heart but those are the facts. Once again very sorry.

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

A friend of mine has a Dinan stage 2 tune (only) and it's as fast as my JB3 on map 5 with a dual cone intake. The way I see it is my friend paid a few thousand for his setup and I paid about $600.00.. Not only that, I can get more modifications and jump up to a more powerful map. He can't... I can get any one of these - or all: front mount intercooler, down pipes, methanol injection or just race gas alone - and I can raise my map setting.

With the Dinan setup, you can get a front mount intercooler but it's not going to do much more in regards to power. At least if I get a FMIC, I can raise my boost...

A JB+ or JB3 is very, very easy to install and uninstall for service visits...

[Litos]

Originally Posted by cleex024

well i already bought the stage 1 cobb ap...can i exchange it for the protune for free later down the road? or should i just exchange it now...i just bought it yesterday and should be on its way now.

and getting a little off topic here...how long would i be able to drive the car if i dont run it too hard with all these boltons and tunes?? like 150k miles?? =)

like the 2 posts before me, you get PROTuned via the Cobb AP that you already have.

the tuner tunes the AP on the dyno specific to your mods - that's why i said that your car will make more power and will be running 98-100% safe seeing as they will map out all the important parameters.

hell, you may possibly only be able to run 13psi with boltons, but be 100% confident that the car is making the most safest horsepower/tq possible.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

lol yea ur up to ur eyeballs in it. Dinan is quite obviously no match if a car has added other mods aside from just the chip. BUT tune vs tune on a stock car they all perform the same. I'm sorry to break ur heart but those are the facts. Once again very sorry.

Everyone knows and says your wrong, IDK why your still here posting about it. I like how you avoid all my posts. I know its cause you cant compete in the argument cause you have no facts to back it up.

Let me know how less boost makes the same power as any other tune out there. I guess physics cease to exist in your world.

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

The 335IS is faster than Dinan and pushing more boost... and this is just tuning.

Road & Track and Insideline's tests show the 335is doing 13.2 - 13.3

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Everyone knows and says your wrong, IDK why your still here posting about it.

You don't speak for everyone, I have presented factual evidence and uh I thought u were a vendor on here mr know it all? oh yea you got caught

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

Road & Track and Insideline's tests show the 335is doing 13.2 - 13.3

Way to be magazine racing....

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

You don't speak for everyone, I have presented factual evidence and uh I thought u were a vendor on here mr know it all? oh yea you got caught

Actually I was never a vendor ever. But thanks for noticing.

Now get back on topic.

Show me a boost plot of a dinan stage 1 exceeding any cobb, procede, or JB3 or Jb4.

I dont need to speak for everyone, open your eyes...... other people say your wrong.

You have a Dinan stage 1? Come run me. I'm even on stock intake/stock filter.

Dinan stage 1 runs 13 PSI @ 5000 RPM and 8 PSI at redline.

Every other tune runs a minimum of 11 PSI or more by redline.

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Way to be magazine racing....



Actually I was never a vendor ever. But thanks for noticing.

No get back on topic.

Show me a boost plot of a dinan stage 1 exceeding any cobb, procede, or JB3 or Jb4.

Stage 1? On paper that doesnt even match up with JB3 or Procede. Stage 2 is the other tunes equal.... lol

[Joshboody]

he probably has dinan and thus needs to stick with bench racing only

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by boom

Dina stg 3 requires an oil cooler, fmic, and exhaust and maybe an intake. It should be higher than Cobb stg 1 on a stock car.

As for the jb comparo, please consider that the Cobb lowers ign adv and richens the afr while the jb simply adds boost on stock adv and afr. these are a necessity when upping boost. There is no regard for safety/longevity with the jb .

Umm you do realize that JB does offer a CPS module for people who want it.....

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

Stage 1? On paper that doesnt even match up with JB3 or Procede. Stage 2 is the other tunes equal.... lol

LOL? Someone give this kid some ketchup.

Originally Posted by Joshboody

he probably has dinan and thus needs to stick with bench racing only

Ive seen some characters but this is the best by far this week.

Originally Posted by RambleJ

Umm you do realize that JB does offer a CPS module for people who want it.....

Its not even available yet, and do you know why it was brought to the market?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11207
JB3 Vs Cobb

BTW

It's already proven that dinan cars run similar times against JB3 and Procede cars when a tune is the only thing that has been added.

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

WOW Sniz you are really drinking the haterade (gulp, gulp. gulp). You know JB3, Procede and Dinan produce the same results when added to a stock car? No matter what the case those are the facts. BTW a stock 335 traps at 103-104 and 1/4 mile being 13.4 -13.5. Im under the impression that you think a stocker does 107 traps.

Here is for the slow guy in here... this is the "ketchup" (aka catch up to what is going on in here).

You mentioned above Dinan runs similar times on a otherwise stock car compared to other tunes. With no mention of a stage.


Then you said it again.

And since your so big on magazine racing, Car and driver did the 335 in 13.5 @ 106. So which magazines are you reading? LOL

OH man you are so hypocritical of your statements its hilarious.

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Here is for the slow guy in here... this is the "ketchup" (aka catch up to what is going on in here).

You mentioned above Dinan runs similar times on a otherwise stock car compared to other tunes. With no mention of a stage.


Then you said it again.

And since your so big on magazine racing, Car and driver did the 335 in 13.5 @ 106. So which magazines are you reading? LOL

OH man you are so hypocritical of your statements its hilarious.

Ok Mr. Top Gear Solutions wanna be vendor but can't afford the cost lmao! You can scrutinize every word but at the end of the day if a JB3, Procede and Dinan "S2" do a qtr mile they will all run the same times and almost identical trap times provided it's on an otherwise stock car

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Keep racing those magazines...