[TMR]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

This dude put down 352hp and 423tq

I was there and my M3 put down even lower number than this 335. He had the Proceed. Something is not right.

[madmanhiker]

I'd like to find out a little more about the logic behind this statement:

"...The Stage1 tuning is set to roll back power as intake temperatures increase. So 305rw on a 100 degree day doesn't sound too far off for default settings if the car was 100% stock. Especially if the dyno fan isn't up to par..."

So, is it safe to say that with this particular tune, if I live in a place that's Africa hot 8 months out of the year, does that mean that for those 8 months, I'd get "rolled back power"? I mean, it would essentially be the same conditions, -really, maybe even worse, this was indoors out of sunlight.

[bulldog_yyc]

damn - hope you figure out the issues but your car sounds absolutely amazing with the remus race. I think its your ride on the **********s promo video - nicely done!

[madmanhiker]

Originally Posted by turkish335

damn - hope you figure out the issues but your car sounds absolutely amazing with the remus race. I think its your ride on the **********s promo video - nicely done!

I appreciate it bro. Some folks say I complain, but after spending $2,500 in parts, I expect/demand that they are worth their claims. In this economy, every single penny counts. Remus has performed flawlessly and I have nothing but good to say about their product, it is what it is.

What ever comes of this thread, it'll all be educational in the hopes that we can truly add power to the n55 - in ALL conditions.

[hotrod182]

Unless you are running meth injection, in ambient temps up in the 80F+ temps, it may not be that safe running much higher boost to begin with. Harder on your turbo also. With timing going down, even with higher boost, your power output won't be optimal. To verify though, you really need to see what boost you are running. At least it may identify if you have a boost leak or something. Just go buy a boost gauge from your local parts store, video the gauge with doing some extended pulls and analyze.

[Andrew@ET]

Originally Posted by madmanhiker

I'd like to find out a little more about the logic behind this statement:

"...The Stage1 tuning is set to roll back power as intake temperatures increase. So 305rw on a 100 degree day doesn't sound too far off for default settings if the car was 100% stock. Especially if the dyno fan isn't up to par..."

So, is it safe to say that with this particular tune, if I live in a place that's Africa hot 8 months out of the year, does that mean that for those 8 months, I'd get "rolled back power"? I mean, it would essentially be the same conditions, -really, maybe even worse, this was indoors out of sunlight.

well your running around 40 whp over stock and about 50-60 wtq. And yes the hotter the ambient air temp the harder your car is going to have to work to keep the power up Example adding more boost.
In the cold you can push the same Hp at lower boost levels as you could with higher boost in the heat. Either way more heat is never a good thing and equals hp losses.

I can tell you after 1-2 runs in this Miami heat I can feel the power losses and overall drivability decrease dramatically.

[Andrew@ET]

Just noticed there was a stock n55 there pushing 291? That seems pretty high was he on the new dme update do you know?

Ill see if I can get a dyno run in for you so we can compare.

[madmanhiker]

Originally Posted by Andrew@EMSTUNING

Just noticed there was a stock n55 there pushing 291? That seems pretty high was he on the new dme update do you know?

Ill see if I can get a dyno run in for you so we can compare.

Yep. Stock n55 90/291. Bone Stock. Factory freak?

Here is the bone stock n55 dyno (same day, same temps, same machine)


Here's mine:

[Pepe_pr]

my car was left at the dealer for DME software update!!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

OP you need to realize the claims of a dyno and tune will vary based on your given conditions.

Ambient temperatures, humidity, elevation, octane, and mods all factor into your power levels.

As Intake air temperatures increase power will decrease its just physics.

Engines work very simply, Air Spark Fuel, if you have less air (hotter, less dense) you make less power.

It sounds like this may be your first tuned car? Eitherway this is the nature of modding and engine physics. Dont take it personal if your car doesnt make the power a manufacturer claims, those are likely in the most IDEAL conditions possible.

It should also be noted that dyno's WHP ratings range from day to day, as they do from car to car.

You can likely pull up to fresh 335i from the show room floor and they will both pull different numbers.

[shockin330i]

That previous chart show road speed...

[Cuffss]

Originally Posted by madmanhiker

I appreciate it bro. Some folks say I complain, but after spending $2,500 in parts, I expect/demand that they are worth their claims. In this economy, every single penny counts. Remus has performed flawlessly and I have nothing but good to say about their product, it is what it is.

What ever comes of this thread, it'll all be educational in the hopes that we can truly add power to the n55 - in ALL conditions.

You have every right to be aggrivated. Although there are many variables that will depict your cars output, logging your runs will at the least give you some information about how your engine is reacting with your current setup in that environment. I'm sure if you send your logs over to terry at BMS, he could pick apart exactly what the issue may be. But like most are saying, it is probably your need for the DME update.

[e90TiAg335i]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

OP you need to realize the claims of a dyno and tune will vary based on your given conditions.

Ambient temperatures, humidity, elevation, octane, and mods all factor into your power levels.

As Intake air temperatures increase power will decrease its just physics.

Engines work very simply, Air Spark Fuel, if you have less air (hotter, less dense) you make less power.

It sounds like this may be your first tuned car? Eitherway this is the nature of modding and engine physics. Dont take it personal if your car doesnt make the power a manufacturer claims, those are likely in the most IDEAL conditions possible.

It should also be noted that dyno's WHP ratings range from day to day, as they do from car to car.

You can likely pull up to fresh 335i from the show room floor and they will both pull different numbers.

I agree with what you're saying but the fact that the stock n55's power levels compared to his just doesn't make sense! They were only about an hour apart on the dyno. As I've stated in another post. My log, from when I was on the dyno, showed near 140* ait. The meth brought it down to @ 115*. Way too hot. On the ride home I drove the piss out of it and only hit 118* ait.

Mad, let me know when you're looking to go dyno. We'll see if they'll cut us a break and I'll dyno while your swapping parts. Unfortunately I didn't make it down to Green Cove to try out the dyno there. Just too busy.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by e90TiAg335i

I agree with what you're saying but the fact that the stock n55's power levels compared to his just doesn't make sense! They were only about an hour apart on the dyno. As I've stated in another post. My log, from when I was on the dyno, showed near 140* ait. The meth brought it down to @ 115*. Way too hot. On the ride home I drove the piss out of it and only hit 118* ait.

Mad, let me know when you're looking to go dyno. We'll see if they'll cut us a break and I'll dyno while your swapping parts. Unfortunately I didn't make it down to Green Cove to try out the dyno there. Just too busy.

Real world Air> Garage Fans

[e90TiAg335i]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Real world Air> Garage Fans

Especially a garage fan 15' in front of the car...

[Pepe_pr]

Update on the dme software.

Could not pick up the car since the same was not ready. They told me that they could not work on the car today, but the same will be done tomorow morning. Lets see

[Tony135]

Ok so I dynoed my car today and got a max of 326whp and 379 wtq. I have JB3 and a catless 4" DP. We had about 20 runs just changing everything around because the first few were low. We made some changes, and eventually were maxing out around 290hp because of octane limitation. The 91 gas in california sucks, and I was running mobil instead of shell. So we threw in some octane booster and we hit those numbers up above. But even with my car running on 91, I hit way higher tq than you. Something doesn't seem right with your car.

EDIT: Sorry, I wasn't WAY higher than you. Looking back on my runs, my +2psi with pure 91 and no octane booster, I ran 299 and 327. So with +3.5 you should be higher than that. We found that my car ran the best run on 4.5 psi. It actually ran lower with +5.5

[Keik E92 M3]

I am going to put my car back on the dyno next week or the end of this week...

[madmanhiker]

Originally Posted by Tony135

Ok so I dynoed my car today and got a max of 326whp and 379 wtq. I have JB3 and a catless 4" DP. We had about 20 runs just changing everything around because the first few were low. We made some changes, and eventually were maxing out around 290hp because of octane limitation. The 91 gas in california sucks, and I was running mobil instead of shell. So we threw in some octane booster and we hit those numbers up above. But even with my car running on 91, I hit way higher tq than you. Something doesn't seem right with your car.

EDIT: Sorry, I wasn't WAY higher than you. Looking back on my runs, my +2psi with pure 91 and no octane booster, I ran 299 and 327. So with +3.5 you should be higher than that. We found that my car ran the best run on 4.5 psi. It actually ran lower with +5.5

hmmm.... thanks.

[e92sport]

get rid of that garbage JB and get the procede..

[Tony135]

Originally Posted by e92sport

get rid of that garbage JB and get the procede..

Me? Prove to me why Procede is better. JB has been great for me and Terry has given me some of the best service of anyone I've dealt with in the automotive industry. All I ever see is Procede Vs JB. Why can't we just accept what others have and try to learn from the information that each tune puts out?

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by e92sport

get rid of that garbage JB and get the procede..

What does this have to contribute to SOLVING THE PROBLEM. What if the OP gets a Procede and has the same problem then what? Are you going to recommend that he gets a new car?

It's stupid comments like this that don't help anything and start tuner wars for no good reason. IF you don't have something meaningful and smart to add to the thread, STFU...