[xenon]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Why driving a 318 or 320 M sport becomes a far better car than a 6 cylinder car especially in 335 spec levels baffles me.

I don't think anyone is saying that, surely like-for-like models are being compared as to which trim, as opposed to engine, is preferred.

Originally Posted by Kerr

Let's just enjoy our own cars for our own reasons.

Amen to that.

[kaishang]

Originally Posted by Fx1

Also 17" rims are for women 1 Series drivers.

I think you are a bad choice to defend the SE driver in this debate...

You think buying a new SE with 17" wheels somehow trumps someone who bought a used M Sport with all the kit?

No one sees the V5 log book my friend.. but everyone sees 17" wheels.

See what I mean....

[MEGA]

Don't try and change the "argument" (If you want to call it that, gents).

a 335i/d is obviously a better car than a 320d regardless of spec level.

If anyone is arguing that: They are wrong.

But a 335d M-Sport is better than a 335d SE. It goes without saying.


Unless you are of the chip-on-your-shoulder brigade, as mooted above.

[CarAbuser]

I think the problem is kaishang is trying to make a point for Msport being the lesser car and belittling the benefits.

The pack itself is great value given the modifications it provides with the added benefit of it being a great depreciation beater.

The argument that SE with a larger engine is a better choice for the 2k cost of the Msport pack is a short sighted one. To go from a 320 to a 330 you pay twice as much tax and insurance and another 20% per year on fuel. So the actual cost of a 330 is a lot higher than the 4k extra cash upfront.

You then still have the problem of optional extras, a base model 330 with no options is not what a BMW was designed to be, you still have to add the sports seats, suspension, upgraded wheels and leather before you have something nice to drive.

A BMW in SE spec can still be a really nice car and does make sense in the 335 guise since you get the suspension and seats thrown in.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by MEGA

Don't try and change the "argument" (If you want to call it that, gents).

a 335i/d is obviously a better car than a 320d regardless of spec level.

If anyone is arguing that: They are wrong.

But a 335d M-Sport is better than a 335d SE. It goes without saying.


Unless you are of the chip-on-your-shoulder brigade, as mooted above.

I honestly don't see much chips on shoulders. I'm reading the M sport guys ramming it down our throats.

As said by quite a few people the difference at 335 levels really is not great.

Bumpers, side skirts, gear knob, steering wheel, wheels and door sills none of which make the car any better.

All changes are purely cosmetic and even then some might prefer the SE.

Yes a M sport may be better if those things are important to you. However if you prefer the softer lines of a SE, if you want to save a few grand or you have plans to change the wheels and bodykit, why overlook a SE for no real reason?

After 4 pages the simple answer was on page 1 but we have had 4 pages of m sport is better than SE fought by people who don't own 335s or know the difference either.

[jimmylimmy]

Originally Posted by MEGA

Don't try and change the "argument" (If you want to call it that, gents).

a 335i/d is obviously a better car than a 320d regardless of spec level.

If anyone is arguing that: They are wrong.

But a 335d M-Sport is better than a 335d SE. It goes without saying.


Unless you are of the chip-on-your-shoulder brigade, as mooted above.

Nah, it's just the same old argument of

M-Sport Owner "SE Sucks, you are all paupers Bwahahaha!

SE Owner "BS, You are a mug for paying two grannd for some bits of plastic"

M-Sport Owner "But I get x, y and z that you dont on an SE, plus it looks better"

SE Owner "But I have a 335, I get most of that as standard anway, plus i get 230's which are the best wheel in the world EVA!"

M-Sport Owner "Blah Blah, 335, woteva, you are just jealous"

SE Owner "I could have bought a M-Sport if I wanted one! I just prefer the classy looks"

Original Poster (looking for advice of buying his first BMW) "fuck this, they are all weirdo's, I'll get an Audi"

Later, over on AudiPost.....

OP "Hi, I've seen a nice car for sale but need some advice"

Audi Owner "Make sure it's and S-Line"

OP ""

[HighlandPete]

Have we even thought that everyone doesn't want the M-sport image, or the bits that make it obvious. Not everyone wants the big rims either, some measure a car's worth more than by a bit of trim and flash looks. A quality car with a pig of a ride doesn't suit many customers either, as BMW are realizing with their moves to soften rides and get a bit more comfort back into their cars, particularly the M-sport range.

So we get back to one is not better than another, or one is really more financially viable, or depreciation proof than another, do the math and you will find on percentage terms there isn't usually much in it.

Let's also remember some choose the SE and could afford an M-sport, (sometimes more so than some who 'stretch' the finances for an M-sport), so debates about that issue don't wash with me either.

Now where were we.... which is a better buy, the 335i M-sport or SE?

Choose which ever one you like.....

HighlandPete

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Choose which ever one you like.....

M spec or SE, they all have the same great engine and thats all that really matters...so the rest is purely down to price / coniditon of the car, and how much you like the M body kit

[zltm089]

agree...at 335 level...not much difference....

SE with aero kit is way to go OP!...

BMW is always faster than Audi ;-) (excluding R8)

M3 vs RS5
335 VS S5

And so on.....

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by jimmylimmy

Nah, it's just the same old argument of

M-Sport Owner "SE Sucks, you are all paupers Bwahahaha!

SE Owner "BS, You are a mug for paying two grannd for some bits of plastic"

M-Sport Owner "But I get x, y and z that you dont on an SE, plus it looks better"

SE Owner "But I have a 335, I get most of that as standard anway, plus i get 230's which are the best wheel in the world EVA!"

M-Sport Owner "Blah Blah, 335, woteva, you are just jealous"

SE Owner "I could have bought a M-Sport if I wanted one! I just prefer the classy looks"

Original Poster (looking for advice of buying his first BMW) "fuck this, they are all weirdo's, I'll get an Audi"

Later, over on AudiPost.....

OP "Hi, I've seen a nice car for sale but need some advice"

Audi Owner "Make sure it's and S-Line"

OP ""

[F31-340i]

LOL

M sport buyers are all poor people who over stretch themselves on finance and are easily fooled by a bit of "trim" and "tat".

SE buyers are smart cookies who pay CASH!

Interweb gold.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

LOL

M sport buyers are all poor people who over stretch themselves on finance and are easily fooled by a bit of "trim" and "tat".

SE buyers are smart cookies who pay CASH!

Interweb gold.

I think you are reading a different thread to everybody else or drawing the wrong conclusion to suit your argument.

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by Kerr

I think you are reading a different thread to everybody else or drawing the wrong conclusion to suit your argument.

I'm not having an argument. I'm just commenting on those that are.

A few gold plated snippets.....

some choose the SE and could afford an M-sport, sometimes more so than some who 'stretch' the finances for an M-sport

and considering I bought my car new, with my own money

M-sport proponents mostly seem to have purchased a secondhand car

As Helen might have once said - "can I speak to your wife?"

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

I'm not having an argument. I'm just commenting on those that are.

A few gold plated snippets.....







As Helen might have once said - "can I speak to your wife?"

Most if those points in context were fair points to what they were saying.

Is there any reason SE drivers upset you so much that you now need to take the piss in other threads too now?

M Sport seems to have gone to your head.

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Most if those points in context were fair points to what they were saying.

Are you sure?

Is there any reason SE drivers upset you so much that you now need to take the Pisa in other threads?

Just banter! You know what that is, right?

M Sport seems to have gone to your head.

Not really. I've owned both SE and M Sport.

I find the arguing a bizarre insight into some aspects of human nature.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

Are you sure?



Just banter! You know what that is, right?



Not really. I've owned both SE and M Sport.

I find the arguing a bizarre insight into some aspects of human nature.

You can extract whatever you wish from each post.

I don't read it like you want to and I'm sure highland pete who was giving a fair opinion on both sides never meant what you want to believe.

The OP's question has been answered time for this thread to drift away.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Kerr

You can extract whatever you wish from each post.

I don't read it like you want to and I'm sure highland pete who was giving a fair opinion on both sides never meant what you want to believe.

My quote was definitely out of context, but I do know from reading forums that some folks do push out the boat to get an M-sport, some going for a smaller engine to get the trim level. But there isn't really a problem in it, just that it happens. What I'm saying, all SE drivers aren't choosing the SE to save money, my own car cost more than many 330d M-sport tourings of the period I see in the used market, due to the spec' level.

If I wanted an M-sport I'd be driving one, same as if I wanted an M3, I'd be in one of those. As I've said a couple of times, it is choice, buy what you like.

But there are reasons and justifications for each model. No one is right or wrong, IMO.

HighlandPete

[Reggie-g75]

I parked next to a 335d SE today in a car ark and stood there for 5 comparing the two.... So glad I went m-sport.......

[stupot]

I know the op was talking 335i but the thread has drifted a bit off topic and i am sure he has his answer now anway, on the smaller engine ES v's SE?

Are there any ES owners out there that could have afforded an SE, but decided against as they hate that bleeping noise when they reverse against a wall, can't stand staying at the same speed on the motorway and love adjusting the interior temperature themselves?

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Reggie-g75

I parked next to a 335d SE today in a car ark and stood there for 5 comparing the two.... So glad I went m-sport.......

Dya know what.

Two 335's parked next to each other one SE and one Msport both on 19"s fully loaded I still think the SE looks far classier!!!

[kaishang]

Also as I have an SE, my Johnson is much larger

[buckethead]

ES on 16" wheels and man air con are the bowlaks