[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by Clap135

LostMarine ran 117ish at atco on pump and meth on full weight. He then put race gas in it and hit 122. Like I said before, race gas and meth wont do you any good when your timing/boost curve is set up for pump gas. If anything it will slow you down.

When I tried spraying at the track on stage 1, I lost 1mph, turn it off, gained 1mph, I did this for 4 passes and got the same exact results trap speed wise.

Are you talking about the cobb with race gas/meth? Logically thinking, the cooler intake temps would probably lower the boost to hit the same load target...Technically thinking, though, everything kept the same, a cooler intake charge (post turbo) will increase power at the same boost...

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by e30rus

I just ordered prodeede and devils own meth kit for my car from a great vendor on this forum that's why i joined.

i was thinking of getting a cobb

but after reading this i think im better off with the proceede , i dont want to buy a tune then buy another one to go with it to control my meth and raise my boost . seems like more work for the same results.

and enrita aren't you the same person who i was just told blew your motor with the jb3 ??

what do you think about him using jb4 to control his meth???

thanks for this thread and info guys... just saved me some money and time!!!!

Normally he would be best off letting the JB4 control everything but due to the cars problem with misfires and AFR targeting using the procede and JB4 he decided the custom flash tuning made the most sense for his needs. Then using the JB4 on top of the flash for meth control, accurate logs, in dash stuff and the rest until he has some other way of doing it.

Mike

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Normally he would be best off letting the JB4 control everything but due to the cars problem with misfires and AFR targeting using the procede and JB4 he decided the custom flash tuning made the most sense for his needs. Then using the JB4 on top of the flash for meth control, accurate logs, in dash stuff and the rest until he has some other way of doing it.

Mike

The afr problems is not just his car, there are tons of people experiencing the same thing, they simply don't realize it.

The misfiring thing, thats unique to his car and I personally thing something is "off"

The logging thing, it is only with the recent firmware thats not buttoned up yet due to cobb completly changing the map sensor function.

[Brey335i]

That's some nice results Dzenno.

I just wish that COBB would develop a failsafe integration or something for our cars so that we don't need to stack any other tune on top. Maybe a piggyback module just to control the meth that communicates directly with the AP.

I know Rob is a fan of race gas, but I think that to really get the meth junkies aboard the COBB train, you need a meth map. And I for one refuse to run meth without proper failsafes.

[mithiral67]

Good info dzenno and nice runs. Can't wait for cobb to get stage 2 finalized and start working on those upgraded turbo/meth/race maps for some records. Well, actaully, them not having them out is the only reason I havent pulled the trigger on some RBs. Hopefully by next summer.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by themyst

Don't feel bad dzenno, lostmarine did the exact same time last year on a jb4 auto plus meth and upgraded turbos at atco in near freezing temperatures.

At least you're trying something different!

On a brighter note, I ran a 12.8@114 misfiring into 4th that same day

I actually felt really good last night for the sole reason that my launches got consistently better and better, finally something I can use absolutely LOVE the AR line lock and my MT DRs...i also realized the huge potential in the car and that the misfire BS is indeed a diagnosticly induced code/condition which can be dealt with at a later point in time/during winter which is ever so closer

Originally Posted by Dr. G

Yeah, with all the potential for more power laying on the table for him I'm pretty sure he's not feeling too bad rather yet he's probably pretty excited haha... car's running good, all his technicals look good... it's just a matter of time now.

I will try to show up to the track the next time you head out Dzenno, would like to see everything go down in person.

Sure man, i'll make a thread in the Canada section next time I go...probably very soon as we've got 2 more Wednesday nights before it closes for winter and a few more Friday nights before it closes entirely for winter...time to take advantage of the clean/cool Canadian air up here

Originally Posted by Irishace

Nice work bro, I know its been a long haul. Cobb has a ways to go but I like your innovation. It really is pretty damn impressive that you ran 120mph on basically a pump gas map.

your record is still very much in tact 11.5@123 and me being witness to it is still way more impressive and I am totally still jealous of that incredible run you had

Originally Posted by Clap135

LostMarine ran 117ish at atco on pump and meth on full weight. He then put race gas in it and hit 122. Like I said before, race gas and meth wont do you any good when your timing/boost curve is set up for pump gas. If anything it will slow you down.

When I tried spraying at the track on stage 1, I lost 1mph, turn it off, gained 1mph, I did this for 4 passes and got the same exact results trap speed wise.

Exactly...and my ambient temp last night was at 14C (57F), don't need meth there other than if you're using it for octane but I was already on 94 pump gas and my meth, according to my flow sensor, flowed only a third of what it should've

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335coupe

I don't think you can say the meth did nothing. It allowed the map to run its best possible timing the map allows on all runs and provided colder intake temps that he would've seen w/o the meth.

It's not your typical meth bump in power, but almost the same as racing in extremely great weather conditions.

It did jack shit last night

Originally Posted by Joshboody

GOOD RUN Dz!!! Looks like most aren't getting it, but any flash won't reach meth, race gas potential unless it's a custom/race map (like Mr. 5) or some outside the box thinking... which you had, but unfortunately meth flow wasn't there. You do really need the timing advance to take full advantage of race gas and/or meth. I'm sure it will be awhile for Cobb, or they'll just let ATR peeps mess with it.

EDIT: actually just noticed that Cobb is working on race/meth maps.

Thanks man! yep a custom race map will be awesome...thing is though I'd like to have the ability to run "close" to that ALL OUT race map on the street with pump gas and meth...that's what I'm playing with now...the stage 2 map from Cobb for example is a great pump gas map but on meth, which I run 99% of the time, more boost and timing can be squeezed out...for me to run it all the time I'd like to have it wired in with meth flow and something that'll raise boost when meth flow is there and thus this little pet project

Originally Posted by e30rus

I just ordered prodeede and devils own meth kit for my car from a great vendor on this forum that's why i joined.

i was thinking of getting a cobb

but after reading this i think im better off with the proceede , i dont want to buy a tune then buy another one to go with it to control my meth and raise my boost . seems like more work for the same results.

and enrita aren't you the same person who i was just told blew your motor with the jb3 ??

what do you think about him using jb4 to control his meth???

thanks for this thread and info guys... just saved me some money and time!!!!

well, glad I helped you choose your tune but I don't see how anything I said could've suggested any particular tune as that wasn't the point of this thread at all LOL but good for you..

Originally Posted by ExpensiveTaste

Are you talking about the cobb with race gas/meth? Logically thinking, the cooler intake temps would probably lower the boost to hit the same load target...Technically thinking, though, everything kept the same, a cooler intake charge (post turbo) will increase power at the same boost...

yep!

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Normally he would be best off letting the JB4 control everything but due to the cars problem with misfires and AFR targeting using the procede and JB4 he decided the custom flash tuning made the most sense for his needs. Then using the JB4 on top of the flash for meth control, accurate logs, in dash stuff and the rest until he has some other way of doing it.

Mike

Yep...i like this little hybrid tune monster, now I just need to make it deliver

Originally Posted by Clap135

The afr problems is not just his car, there are tons of people experiencing the same thing, they simply don't realize it.

The misfiring thing, thats unique to his car and I personally thing something is "off"

The logging thing, it is only with the recent firmware thats not buttoned up yet due to cobb completly changing the map sensor function.

That's very true as well

Originally Posted by Brey335i

That's some nice results Dzenno.

I just wish that COBB would develop a failsafe integration or something for our cars so that we don't need to stack any other tune on top. Maybe a piggyback module just to control the meth that communicates directly with the AP.

I know Rob is a fan of race gas, but I think that to really get the meth junkies aboard the COBB train, you need a meth map. And I for one refuse to run meth without proper failsafes.

Totally agree. I always was PRO-progressive meth mapping and still like it more than "dedicated" flash maps which require reflashes...until then I'm trying to do my best with what's available and IMO many ingredients are there, trick is getting them to work together in harmony, away from the forum bullshit, in the absolute best way possible which to me means none other but fucking repeatable high 10s lol but it won't be easy that's for sure

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Good info dzenno and nice runs. Can't wait for cobb to get stage 2 finalized and start working on those upgraded turbo/meth/race maps for some records. Well, actaully, them not having them out is the only reason I havent pulled the trigger on some RBs. Hopefully by next summer.

thanks buddy...everything needs time and I don't mind waiting when I can also have good times playing with what's available in the interim

[dzenno]

So, here's the logs of what actually went down last night...take a look at boost, boost targets, DME (flash) boost target, meth and timing...you'll see that meth is hitting "2" on the graph when it should be hitting "6"...so jb4 doesn't up boost by more than 1-1.5psi progressively at best...first graph shows just cobb stage 3, second graph shows cobb with jb4 adding a bit of boost but very little and not enough to flat out that boost curve as there wasn't enough meth according to the meth flow sensor...

Cobb stg3 only (basically a pump gas tune):




Cobb with JB4 adding a bit of boost on top when it sees meth flow but only a bit...you can see exactly how much boost was added by looking at DME BT (cobb's flash target) and Target (JB4's boost target) as well as Pre-Boost (actual boost that was being hit)...you can see timing went to shit here in 4th gear, post shift, as boost was too high and engine was too hot probably as meth wasn't there...



You can also see that IATs didn't come down but kept creeping up meaning meth indeed wasn't flowing fully because if it was IATs would've been stable and not rising through the pull...had I not run meth and had the JB4 just up boost ignoring the meth flow sensor it might've been bye bye to my motor last night but this way it'll die another day

Oh, and WHO changed the title of my thread and added JB to it as well LOL should've pasted my whole sig up there!

[jpsimon]

god those crayon jb logs are ridiculous to look at. I think my 6 year old cousin drew logs very similar to those once - but they were a bit more smooth


can't you bring that data into excel or something and graph it out better?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

god those crayon jb logs are ridiculous to look at. I think my 6 year old cousin drew logs very similar to those once - but they were a bit more smooth


can't you bring that data into excel or something and graph it out better?

If anything just make 3 graphs and display 3 items in each graph (with thicker lines). Do it terry

[scott_uw]

Originally Posted by dzenno

you can see exactly how much boost was added by looking at DME BT (cobb's flash target) and Target (JB4's boost target) as well as Pre-Boost (actual boost that was being hit)...you can see timing went to shit here in 4th gear, post shift, as boost was too high and engine was too hot probably as meth wasn't there...!

I can see lines.. lines everywhere..

Nice run though.

[themyst]

I'm usually good at reading those JB4 logs, but WTF?

[Joshboody]

JB abstract art

[GeorgeSmooth]

Nice going dzenno. I am not sure why you trying to reinvent the wheel by going the flash route. I think thus far I am the only person that has run a eleven with a flash tune only. The tuning part was effortless. I then plugged in the Procede and ran near identical times.

Deleting fault triggers is like a pandoras box. At this stage you have done your thing for the misfires but how do you know your tuner is not clearing other things along the way to make the flash work on the larger turbos?

[Bash]

Great run indeed, a lot of posts have been deleted or what as i see Dzenno replying to posts that i didnt come across. Anyway the haters can go away. Im excellent at reading Jb4 logs and these look good.
No matter what time you got or traps, man i would never contribute or test the fuck out of my car as much as you or the time you put in, do you have a job? lol

[Bash]

Originally Posted by e30rus

I just ordered prodeede and devils own meth kit for my car from a great vendor on this forum that's why i joined.

i was thinking of getting a cobb

but after reading this i think im better off with the proceede , i dont want to buy a tune then buy another one to go with it to control my meth and raise my boost . seems like more work for the same results.

and enrita aren't you the same person who i was just told blew your motor with the jb3 ??

what do you think about him using jb4 to control his meth???

thanks for this thread and info guys... just saved me some money and time!!!!

lol typical, and this is what you come up with after reading the thread?

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Bash

Great run indeed, a lot of posts have been deleted or what as i see Dzenno replying to posts that i didnt come across.

Typical..if you dont follow the flock like all the good sheep you get deleted. promotes a nice harmonious single minded thread...baaaaah

[Bash]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Typical..if you dont follow the flock like all the good sheep you get deleted. promotes a nice harmonious single minded thread...baaaaah

Just curious what time is it where you are now?

[Jadar]

Good job! I know how frustating it can be tuning a car. But those times are very impressive, especially the mph.

I been stuck in the low 11's for ever and I cant wait to get into the 10's in my car.

Hey I see youre a Mostar fan, are you from Bosna?

[pHo_e92]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Soooooooo, yep

As for other cars on the track, there was a 6AT xi with fmic+intake+jb4 with race gas and running 17.2psi peak (i guess map7) running 12.5@107-108 with 1.7 60' all night and another stockish one that was hitting low 13s...just to put the fast/slow track comments in perspective...

i wasn't stock i am FBO with CRAPFLATS i was happy to run low 13s

any how nice write up it was nice to see you that night and to see that beast in action. hopefully once you get all those little glitches fixed i will get to see 10s

[pHo_e92]

Originally Posted by e30rus

I just ordered prodeede and devils own meth kit for my car from a great vendor on this forum that's why i joined.

i was thinking of getting a cobb

but after reading this i think im better off with the proceede , i dont want to buy a tune then buy another one to go with it to control my meth and raise my boost . seems like more work for the same results.

and enrita aren't you the same person who i was just told blew your motor with the jb3 ??

what do you think about him using jb4 to control his meth???

thanks for this thread and info guys... just saved me some money and time!!!!

WoW dude please for the life of me don't ever switch over to cobb! enjoy your procede.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

Nice going dzenno. I am not sure why you trying to reinvent the wheel by going the flash route. I think thus far I am the only person that has run a eleven with a flash tune only. The tuning part was effortless. I then plugged in the Procede and ran near identical times.

Deleting fault triggers is like a pandoras box. At this stage you have done your thing for the misfires but how do you know your tuner is not clearing other things along the way to make the flash work on the larger turbos?

Thanks George. As for why flash and why bother its really simple. I can't tun them alone. I can send/post logs of both procede v5 rev 2 and 2.5 and jb4 on latest firmware showing leanruns at part throttle and post shift. I can't run those safely and consistently in terms of AFR on my car when on high boost period. I "need" the flash to set the AFR targets, piggies can't do it to my liking. If you like I can post them in a new thread but trust me THAT is what would open a pandora's box and not turning off misfire detection on my own request.

Question to you is how do you trust your piggie with AFRs when I know for a fact that on high boost you'll have leanruns? Let's please not go there in this thread and I don't want to participate in that convo, just do some high boost logging on a piggie and check for yourself what happens with AFR at initial throttle stab as well as post shift.

Originally Posted by Bash

Great run indeed, a lot of posts have been deleted or what as i see Dzenno replying to posts that i didnt come across. Anyway the haters can go away. Im excellent at reading Jb4 logs and these look good.
No matter what time you got or traps, man i would never contribute or test the fuck out of my car as much as you or the time you put in, do you have a job? lol

LOL thanks man...let's just say I drive 50km to/from work every day and my drive is always great for tinkering with shit

Originally Posted by dd1981

Good job! I know how frustating it can be tuning a car. But those times are very impressive, especially the mph.

I been stuck in the low 11's for ever and I cant wait to get into the 10's in my car.

Hey I see youre a Mostar fan, are you from Bosna?

Thanks man...I'm from Mostar ya where're you from?

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by pHo_e92

i wasn't stock i am FBO with CRAPFLATS i was happy to run low 13s

any how nice write up it was nice to see you that night and to see that beast in action. hopefully once you get all those little glitches fixed i will get to see 10s

Hey man that was you in the grey coupe that night, nice to meet you...

Everyone, this is the man who's seen my boost logs up front ill be going a few more times before they close, let you guys know in the Canada section, whoever's available and we go beat on some American muscle