Cobb stage 2 users

Glowin · 12-02-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by msp2three35i

good stuff.. just ordered an injen to go along with the dps. looks like i'm good for stage 2 and just a fmic short of going stage 2+. thanks for the help.

Curious, how did you pick Injen for the intake? What were the pros and cons of it, vs. others you considered? The BMS one is only $100, and I'm curious how it would stack up to it, for example.

E3r2E9r · 12-02-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594179

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Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

*Disclaimer: Results not typical.*

You were one of the first people to post in that thread and continued to argue their. What is your deal? Just because you cant run the times doesnt mean its not typical.

RnmEvo9 · 12-02-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I disagree entirely. A bad driver can still mess up trap speeds. Mis shifting gears, bad launches, wheel spin, poor throttle modulation all contribute to trap speed and ET.

When I post a link I'm not sending any message to anyone. It is up to the end user to interpret the data presented. In case you didnt know, track times and results of any race all depend on "conditions" and a majority of the time there is always something different between one guy and the next.

As Brey mentioned above he is 1 MPH off in a heavier car in a different state. By no accident he has different conditions. Not only the state hes driving in, but his collection of mods, tires, suspension, and he has an E92 Vs a 135i. We also dont know his conditions on the track, DA, humidity, ambient temps, ETC.

Do you know anyone in florida that has the exact same mods to the "T", with the same driver weight, tire, suspension, and driving capabilities? Was the DA the same? And the humidity? Ambient temperature? track prep? Mileage on the vehicle? Same amount of gas in the tank?

I think I rest my case. The results are as typical as the next guy but conditions will alter the final results.

So when someone asks what are the average results of a Cobb stage 2 car at a drag strip and you respond with a link to claps results...thats not sending a message?

And yes, I agree that conditions changes everything.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 12-02-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

So when someone asks what are the average results of a Cobb stage 2 car at a drag strip and you respond with a link to claps results...thats not sending a message?

And yes, I agree that conditions changes everything.

I'm not sure why your stuck on this "sending message" thing. Results are results. In those conditions on that day the car ran X.
You argued in the original thread and now here. Not sure where the beef stems from or why you cant accept what has transpired.

As others have mentioned the results are not too far off. These conditions were very ideal, sure. If you want "average" numbers, go to google and enter your HP and it will spit out some arbitrary number that will likely not match up in the real world either.

rader1 · 12-02-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

So when someone asks what are the average results of a Cobb stage 2 car at a drag strip and you respond with a link to claps results...thats not sending a message?

Its saying it's possible in the right conditions.

Brey335i · 12-02-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

So when someone asks what are the average results of a Cobb stage 2 car at a drag strip and you respond with a link to claps results...thats not sending a message?

And yes, I agree that conditions changes everything.

There aren't actually that many posts from people who run Stage 2+ on the strip. And any claims without a time slip should be disregarded (including my own). So Jeff provided a link to a Stage 2+ run. Yes it's Clap...

Results are results. People in every state will run differently. The best is to know what others are getting on the same track as you and compare from there on.

For what it's worth, a PWM Meth Procede trapped 119 (iirc) at the same track as me. Which is right in line with what I would expect. Let's me know how I'm doing

OneReaction · 12-02-2011, 01:05 PM

Why the big argument over that users results. After doing some searching he attended the track day with other n54 owners and the last time out an identical map car trapped 118 when clap did 120. These were both race maps, only difference was that the other n54 was a 335 with less mods and more weight. Seems about right.

After doing some research Brey seems to be going 116, clap 117, some people are in the 114-115 range so it would be fair to say 114-117 on average in good track conditions.

E3r2E9r · 12-02-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OneReaction

Why the big argument over that users results. After doing some searching he attended the track day with other n54 owners and the last time out an identical map car trapped 118 when clap did 120. These were both race maps, only difference was that the other n54 was a 335 with less mods and more weight. Seems about right.

After doing some research Brey seems to be going 116, clap 117, some people are in the 114-115 range so it would be fair to say 114-117 on average in good track conditions.

114-117 seems fair. Clap could have ran even faster had their been some light weight mods done too. Would have maybe tipped the 118.

msp2three35i · 12-02-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

Curious, how did you pick Injen for the intake? What were the pros and cons of it, vs. others you considered? The BMS one is only $100, and I'm curious how it would stack up to it, for example.

it was purely personal preference. if i learned anything from the countless intake threads i've read, the performance difference among intakes were fairly negligible. so for me it came down to which one i felt looked and sounded better that was reasonably priced. after hearing this

it was a no braining for me.

Zeph · 12-02-2011, 02:01 PM

Thought I would chime in... I put down 386 rwhp and 422 rwtq on Cobb stage2+FMIC Aggressive and that was uncorrected. It was like 62 degrees so corrected only ended up with 1 more hp/tq.

I ran a 12.8@113 with shift delays (clutch probably slipping) before I added the DCI and exhaust. I am now FBO but haven't tried the strip yet, think I need to upgrade my clutch first anyway so I don't have to wait 1/2 a second for power on the 3-4 shift.

Great tune for me, I love it. I also have/had a Fuel Pump Plausability code while I did all of this testing, so I don't know how things would work with a new pump; I want to replace my spark plugs after I get the new pump (35k miles).

Zeph

OneReaction · 12-02-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

114-117 seems fair. Clap could have ran even faster had their been some light weight mods done too. Would have maybe tipped the 118.

Another interesting time I found was Mr. Nice, who ran 114.x mph on cobb stage 1, prior to the aggressive maps, in his 135i with full bolt ons. I wonder if Mr. Nice ever made it to the track with his stage 2 aggressive map. Being that clap only went 112 on stage 1, and 117 on stage 2, Mr Nice should be just as fast if not faster on stage 2.

OneReaction · 12-02-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeph

Thought I would chime in... I put down 386 rwhp and 422 rwtq on Cobb stage2+FMIC Aggressive and that was uncorrected. It was like 62 degrees so corrected only ended up with 1 more hp/tq.

I ran a 12.8@113 with shift delays (clutch probably slipping) before I added the DCI and exhaust. I am now FBO but haven't tried the strip yet, think I need to upgrade my clutch first anyway so I don't have to wait 1/2 a second for power on the 3-4 shift.

Great tune for me, I love it. I also have/had a Fuel Pump Plausability code while I did all of this testing, so I don't know how things would work with a new pump; I want to replace my spark plugs after I get the new pump (35k miles).

Zeph

Safe to assume with the additional modifications and a bog-free run that you would be right around Brey's traps speeds?

Zeph · 12-02-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OneReaction

Safe to assume with the additional modifications and a bog-free run that you would be right around Brey's traps speeds?

I honestly feel like I could run a 12.3 @ 117 if I had no bog/slippage and with the additional power I gained adding DCI and Catless exhaust. (gained about 35 uncorrected HP). I guess that is around what Brey ran as well.

Zeph

Brey335i · 12-02-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeph

I honestly feel like I could run a 12.3 @ 117 if I had no bog/slippage and with the additional power I gained adding DCI and Catless exhaust. (gained about 35 uncorrected HP). I guess that is around what Brey ran as well.

Zeph

With a 2.4 60' I can't touch that ET lol. But yes you should be right around 117... maybe even 118. I'm AT so I trap slower than an identical MT. My buddy and I have been neck and neck (same exact mods pretty much). He's MT. My ET was .1 better than him but he always traps a little higher.

Zeph · 12-02-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

With a 2.4 60' I can't touch that ET lol. But yes you should be right around 117... maybe even 118. I'm AT so I trap slower than an identical MT. My buddy and I have been neck and neck (same exact mods pretty much). He's MT. My ET was .1 better than him but he always traps a little higher.

yeah I pulled a 2.0 on my RE-11's (love 'em) which I actually bought for autocross, track use. They do ok on the strip too though

1/8 mile was 8.4 @ 89 mph but that 3-4 shift bog is an annihilator

Zeph

Glowin · 12-02-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by msp2three35i

it was purely personal preference. if i learned anything from the countless intake threads i've read, the performance difference among intakes were fairly negligible. so for me it came down to which one i felt looked and sounded better that was reasonably priced. after hearing this it was a no braining for me.

Thanks for the reply. I've yet to start my research on intakes... But on an initial look, it seemed hard to justify spending $500 on the Injen (which does look really sweet) vs. the $100 BMS version...

Brey335i · 12-02-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

Thanks for the reply. I've yet to start my research on intakes... But on an initial look, it seemed hard to justify spending $500 on the Injen (which does look really sweet) vs. the $100 BMS version...

Injen is more like $350

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 12-02-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

Injen is more like $350

If you know the right people

Anyway. Between injen or BMS DCI there is no difference in function only form.

themyst · 12-02-2011, 10:08 PM

BMS DCI served me well all these years. The same intake used by some of the fastest N54s out there.

thebigragu99 · 12-03-2011, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by themyst

BMS DCI served me well all these years. The same intake used by some of the fastest N54s out there.

Yes indeed and for $100 bucks ,it's the best for the buck mod!

deltalima0 · 12-03-2011, 09:03 AM

I continue to run 12.5's constantly on stg2+ my best run is 12.3. I posted the slips here and the video's of the runs I ran everything from a 2012 vette, , dodge, camarro and mustangs. The last time I went to the drag slowest time was 12.5 best was a 12.4 and I never ran higher than 12.5. One thing i can say about Cobb is consistency. If i had DR's I think I could do maybe 12.1-.2.

So if you run stg2+ with the recommended bolt-ons 12.5 and lower on street tires is achievable. As for horse power I have no idea I have not had it dynoed.
All I know is when I go to the track here in SC is people are truly surprised at how well I run or how the 335 runs rather.

bmwm3redblack · 12-03-2011, 10:13 AM

As i have understood there is no real difference between stage1 and stage2 ???
So if you want to feel the power after stage1 you should go stage2+ ????

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OneReaction Banned 0 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 135 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Why the big argument over that users results. After doing some searching he attended the track day with other n54 owners and the last time out an identical map car trapped 118 when clap did 120. These were both race maps, only difference was that the other n54 was a 335 with less mods and more weight. Seems about right. After doing some research Brey seems to be going 116, clap 117, some people are in the 114-115 range so it would be fair to say 114-117 on average in good track conditions.
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Zeph Major 29 Rep 1,410 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 335i 6MT SGM CR/BD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Southeast USA iTrader: (0)	Thought I would chime in... I put down 386 rwhp and 422 rwtq on Cobb stage2+FMIC Aggressive and that was uncorrected. It was like 62 degrees so corrected only ended up with 1 more hp/tq. I ran a 12.8@113 with shift delays (clutch probably slipping) before I added the DCI and exhaust. I am now FBO but haven't tried the strip yet, think I need to upgrade my clutch first anyway so I don't have to wait 1/2 a second for power on the 3-4 shift. Great tune for me, I love it. I also have/had a Fuel Pump Plausability code while I did all of this testing, so I don't know how things would work with a new pump; I want to replace my spark plugs after I get the new pump (35k miles). Zeph
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deltalima0 Lieutenant 97 Rep 546 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Atlanta GA iTrader: (2)	I continue to run 12.5's constantly on stg2+ my best run is 12.3. I posted the slips here and the video's of the runs I ran everything from a 2012 vette, , dodge, camarro and mustangs. The last time I went to the drag slowest time was 12.5 best was a 12.4 and I never ran higher than 12.5. One thing i can say about Cobb is consistency. If i had DR's I think I could do maybe 12.1-.2. So if you run stg2+ with the recommended bolt-ons 12.5 and lower on street tires is achievable. As for horse power I have no idea I have not had it dynoed. All I know is when I go to the track here in SC is people are truly surprised at how well I run or how the 335 runs rather.
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bmwm3redblack Captain 63 Rep 886 Posts Drives: BMW ///M3 E46, BMW E92 335Xi Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: e13 osl iTrader: (0)	As i have understood there is no real difference between stage1 and stage2 ??? So if you want to feel the power after stage1 you should go stage2+ ????
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