[cssnms]

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

and you still haven't told us what single mythical product that does only great things with no downsides and is non-toxic we should be using.

The mythical product he boasts/advertises is mpgreen, assuming the company still in business, which might explain why he has nto advertised lately. Yes and I say "ADVERTISE."

[TotalPower]

mpgreen isn't even available...so i don't preach about that.

Last i looked fppf a great additive than didn't have naphta. I am strongly against naphta. and I looked at their website and they still do.

man, i looked at techron too and it's loaded up w/ naphta and benzene, guess that one isn't useful either :/

Just seems like you're quite agressive in your tone. How about you take a chill pill, read the WWFC ed.4 and get back to me.

[TotalPower]

Originally Posted by cssnms

The mythical product he boasts/advertises is mpgreen, assuming the company still in business, which might explain why he has nto advertised lately. Yes and I say "ADVERTISE."

you're cute. like i said, mpgreen isn't available. and no, i didn't advertise at all. I just used it, after LOTS of research and found it to be extremely useful. Either way, read above.

[TotalPower]

Originally Posted by minus13

Where did this statement come from? Nothing about what I posted would have allowed you to reasonably reach this conclusion other than that your opinion is such that this product is snake oil and has no practical value.

What's your agenda? If you don't want to use any additives, don't, but in the meantime, can you let those that are interested in them have a reasonable discussion about their availability, use, and efficacy without injecting snide, incendiary remarks? I'm guessing you can't.

incendiary remarks? man, didn't you read the example? my question to you is, if you would kindly like to think about it....

Why would you pick BG? or lucas? or techron (since i was kindly corrected above) They all have the same ingredients which the World Wide Fuel Charter explicitly says are negative. Even the EPA says they're negative.

Most reasons for them being negative include : increased soot, increased combustion temperature, hazardous gases (especially when burned).

It seems to be quite difficult to have a discussion and educate one another on these board when people are so adamant about what they used yet they have no reason behind why they use it. When asked about why, they say "it works for me." Well....How do you know it works for you? have you torn open your engine after using it for 100k miles? Have you done lab testing with it? have you even tested for what it says it does? Chances are no.

Like i've said before and I'll say it again, I'm a fellow member on this board just like everyone else. I'm here to learn, listen, discuss, etc. My education is in chemistry, diesel engines, emission testing, biodiesel, aeronautical engineering, as well as other technical things like theater lighting and sound design. I'm a hands on kinda guy who will read, ask, discuss, etc. My reasoning is sound because it is based on years of loving this stuff. I'm always open to new things- and hey, if you want to think i'm crazy because I don't think benzene or Naphta is good, fine. knock yourself out, use it in your engine, but if you don't mind, give me a reason why you think it's good.

[TotalPower]

from wikipedia:

Naphtalene,

Niche applications

It is used in pyrotechnic special effects such as the generation of black smoke and simulated explosions.

As such, naphthalene is classified as a benozenoid polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH).

...if you look up PAH ...

polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), also known as poly-aromatic hydrocarbons or polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, are potent atmospheric pollutants that consist of fused aromatic rings and do not contain heteroatoms or carry substituents.[2] Naphthalene is the simplest example of a PAH. PAHs occur in oil, coal, and tar deposits, and are produced as byproducts of fuel burning (whether fossil fuel or biomass). As a pollutant, they are of concern because some compounds have been identified as carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

you're cute. like i said, mpgreen isn't available. and no, i didn't advertise at all. I just used it, after LOTS of research and found it to be extremely useful. Either way, read above.

So your busniess went belly-up?

LOTS of research you say?

[cssnms]

You mean lthis kind of research?

Post Date: 10/15/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

I do not have an MSDS for MPGreen-I just have some bottles left over from SEMA/AAPEX when I discovered this product last year and some I bought from Amazon.com

What I find the most amuzing about this, is that you don't have the MSDS sheet to share nor is it available online anywhere for a product you've been advertising on e90post since 2009. The same guy who chastizes others for not reading the MSDS sheet.

All of this coming from a guy who has advertised this product with such conviction and who recites the scientific benefits as someone might that would have intimate knowledge of the product, yet at the time you supposedly just made the "discovery" at SEMA in 2009.

[cssnms]

Post Date 5/19/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

I use MPGreen since THE FIRST tank of gas in my e93.

I have used it for 2 years in my familys rsx-s, TL type S, Civic, and Dodge Ram 2500.

works for me

Here again with the inconsistancies; I thought you discovered the product in 2009 at SEMA yet according this statement you have been using it in all of your cars/trucks since 2008 What exactly worked for you?


Post Date 9/2/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

mpgreen It's what our neighbor uses in his supercharged vette

Now I am confused.... Does your neighbor use it or do you use it?

[minus13]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

Well....How do you know it works for you?

Objective testing...

Originally Posted by TotalPower

have you torn open your engine after using it for 100k miles?

Not the 335d, but others, yes - admittedly, thought, too small a sample to really claim the results mean anything.

Originally Posted by TotalPower

Have you done lab testing with it?

No, unless my garage counts as a lab.

Originally Posted by TotalPower

have you even tested for what it says it does?

Yes.

Originally Posted by TotalPower

Chances are no.

You were wrong on two of three. It's incendiary to assume that someone is a dolt and doesn't know what they are doing just because chances are that they are a dolt. If I did the same, well, what would I have to say about you?

I'm not trying to browbeat you. You seem knowledgeable (albeit a bit inflexible in your opinions), and I think the community here will likely benefit from your contributions. With that said, can you ease up a little?

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

incendiary remarks? man, didn't you read the example? my question to you is, if you would kindly like to think about it....

Why would you pick BG? or lucas? or techron (since i was kindly corrected above) They all have the same ingredients which the World Wide Fuel Charter explicitly says are negative. Even the EPA says they're negative.

Most reasons for them being negative include : increased soot, increased combustion temperature, hazardous gases (especially when burned).

It seems to be quite difficult to have a discussion and educate one another on these board when people are so adamant about what they used yet they have no reason behind why they use it. When asked about why, they say "it works for me." Well....How do you know it works for you? have you torn open your engine after using it for 100k miles? Have you done lab testing with it? have you even tested for what it says it does? Chances are no.

Like i've said before and I'll say it again, I'm a fellow member on this board just like everyone else. I'm here to learn, listen, discuss, etc. My education is in chemistry, diesel engines, emission testing, biodiesel, aeronautical engineering, as well as other technical things like theater lighting and sound design. I'm a hands on kinda guy who will read, ask, discuss, etc. My reasoning is sound because it is based on years of loving this stuff. I'm always open to new things- and hey, if you want to think i'm crazy because I don't think benzene or Naphta is good, fine. knock yourself out, use it in your engine, but if you don't mind, give me a reason why you think it's good.

You are are a spammer.

Case in point. Sure sounds like an advertisment if I've ever heard one.

Post Date 12/23/09 1 Addicts

Originally Posted by TotalPower

I would give MPGreen a shot, I think you can find it online

Post Date 10/14/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

Mpgreen doesn't use Cetane boost. It does catalyze the reaction so that the fuel burns at the right place and on time- but this is done without increasing the power of the fuel although you will notice an increase in power, since fuel usually burn incompletly (ever notice smoke or soot on your exhaust/bumper?) This is done so that the fuel stays within the specs. of the manufacturer.

With mpgreen you will actually get the Cetane that you are buying from the pump due to clean fuel system and complete combustion. DK might boost cetane so that at the end of the day, after losses you reach the cetane you purchase.

Is that so? How on earth would you know all of this? Must be your PhD Nobel prize winning chemist/physist brother doing all of the lab tests.

[cssnms]

Here's your best ad though...

Post Date 1/14/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

MPGreen came to U.S. market 2 years ago. It is a COMPLETLY different kind of fuel additive. Its chemistry is not found anywhere else in the U.S. Anybody with a diesel vehicle should give it a shot.

2 Guys Garage produced an episode that will air Jan 17/18 and it talks about this amazing product. I know the owner of the company and they have been developing this diesel additive for over 13 years in LARGE industrial companies where there bottom line really matters.

I use it in my RSX-s , and after 65+ thousand miles, I opened up my engine, and it was SPOTLESS....I have a toy hauler that runs on diesel, that thing used to smoke like a chimney, now its running 150 degrees cooler EGT, get about 6% better milage, and I haven't had ANY cold start, humidity, injector problems for the past 2 years. I love this stuff I usually get it from their website www.mpgreen.com

The worst thing you could do is run your UREA injector system through your fuel tank. It will CAUSE NOx instead of reducing it....Other additives might not work, but they probably won't harm your car-just reduce your milage.

[cssnms]

I wonder how you knew 2 Guys and Garage would air a show on this "amazing" product unless you were affiliated with this now defunct manufacturer?

[TotalPower]

CSSnms, show me ANY research that naphta is good for dependability or environment

Originally Posted by cssnms

Here's your best ad though...

Post Date 1/14/2010

man now that i read it, it does sound like an ad- haha. well, i never made 1 cent off of it. I guess I was just excited about a product that isn't based on naphta or benzene, cause those are good for nothing.


area of expertise is in oil/lubricants/ and flocculants for industrial use

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

My education is in chemistry,

What is your area of expertise?

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

CSSnms, show me ANY research that naphta is good for dependability or environment

Stop deflecting. You're a fraud.

[TotalPower]

Originally Posted by minus13

Objective testing...



Not the 335d, but others, yes - admittedly, thought, too small a sample to really claim the results mean anything.



No, unless my garage counts as a lab.



Yes.



You were wrong on two of three. It's incendiary to assume that someone is a dolt and doesn't know what they are doing just because chances are that they are a dolt. If I did the same, well, what would I have to say about you?

I'm not trying to browbeat you. You seem knowledgeable (albeit a bit inflexible in your opinions), and I think the community here will likely benefit from your contributions. With that said, can you ease up a little?

Good for you for actually ripping shit open and seeing how it's working for ya. It must be the stoddard solvent cleaning up, it is a solvent after all.

From day 1 all i've said is that there are better alternatives than these benzene and naphta based products. cssnmnloljk fella seems a little that he can't find anywhere in a book or the internet that show these toxic products work.

Real question is, why not just buy solvent, skip the benzene and naphta?

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

CSSnms, show me ANY research that naphta is good for dependability or environment

So far every product you've endoursed have those very same ingrediants.

Originally Posted by TotalPower

man now that i read it, it does sound like an ad- haha. well, i never made 1 cent off of it. I guess I was just excited about a product that isn't based on naphta or benzene, cause those are good for nothing.

Show me the MSDS sheets?

[TotalPower]

Originally Posted by cssnms

Stop deflecting. You're a fraud.

i'm not deflecting at all. Fraud? ok. Please, show me ANYWHERE that naphta or benzene are good.

discussions go back and forth, not just

ball is in your court

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

From day 1 all i've said is that there are better alternatives than these benzene and naphta based products.

Wrong again Mr Smarty Pants.

Originally Posted by TotalPower

Yes I am very familiar with FPPF and Stanadyne-I have used FPPF many times as it is an EXCELLENT additive.

10/1/2010

Originally Posted by TotalPower

diesel kleen is junk when compared to mpgreen or techron.

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by TotalPower

i'm not deflecting at all. Fraud? ok. Please, show me ANYWHERE that naphta or benzene are good.

discussions go back and forth, not just

ball is in your court

The only thing that I am showing to everyone, is that you are a fraud who has been spouting off non-sense over the last couple of years in an effort to promote a product that you were selling.

Show me the MSDS sheet for MPgreen?

[TotalPower]

cssnms

a. not a fraud, i've never ripped anyone off, mislead, etc. (always been happy to take a step back and reanalyze)
b. never sold mpgreen-only bought it
c. never been sponsored by mpgreen

Please show me anywhere that benzene and naphta are good.

[cssnms]

I will trust the engineers at Chevron and even those at Power Service over a self proclaimed internet warrior and product pitch-person like yourself.

And for anyone else that wants to know about the 2 ingrediants TP keeps touting about, just use google.