[Lulz_M3]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that you have to buy an $850.00 AP AND THEN take it to a tuner to then pay them about $500.00 to tune your car with your own hardware? Please tell me I have this all wrong...

Uh yeah... That's the way it works. Are you new to this or something?

[F80M]

Who can tune this? Any local tuner or it has to be Cobb authorized tuners only?

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by Lulz_M3

Uh yeah... That's the way it works. Are you new to this or something?

Yes, actually I am new to it. I do not own the Cobb AP. Does it make since to have to pay ~ $1350 to get your car tuned? And then pay again every time you want the tune to be changed? That's just fucking retarded.

I'm not trying to bash Cobb, but I've been waiting for them to make it end-user adjustable before I buy. I guess the guys that don't do their own mods or get involved in tuning are okay with this. However, I think the people that ARE interested in tuning their own cars should have gotten first crack at using the AP to custom tune.

[rader1]

Originally Posted by 91Octane

Who can tune this? Any local tuner or it has to be Cobb authorized tuners only?

Whoever has the ACCESStunerPRO software.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Yes, actually I am new to it. I do not own the Cobb AP. Does it make since to have to pay ~ $1350 to get your car tuned? And then pay again every time you want the tune to be changed? That's just fucking retarded.

I'm not trying to bash Cobb, but I've been waiting for them to make it end-user adjustable before I buy. I guess the guys that don't do their own mods just or get involved in tuning are okay with this. However, I think the people that ARE interested in tuning their own cars should have gotten first crack at using the AP to custom tune.

You could simply buy a AP itself and wait for ATR to come out. Then there will be a whole community of members sharing custom maps

[rader1]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Yes, actually I am new to it. I do not own the Cobb AP. Does it make since to have to pay ~ $1350 to get your car tuned? And then pay again every time you want the tune to be changed? That's just fucking retarded.

Actually, you're getting Cobb's maps and great customer support for the ~$800.
For $500 you're paying for a tuner to put your car on a chassis dyno and custom tailor a map for your car's hardware.
The ATP software costs about $3K and the tuner has to make a profit on it eventually.
If you want to wait for ATR you can create your own maps for free.

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by themyst

You could simply buy a AP itself and wait for ATR to come out. Then there will be a whole community of members sharing custom maps

I'll have to wait until ATR is out before buying. It won't do me any good until then. I would LOVE to be able to tweak maps myself.

[Dark9T]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that you have to buy an $850.00 AP AND THEN take it to a tuner to then pay them about $500.00 to tune your car with your own hardware? Please tell me I have this all wrong...

you got to pay to play baby girl...

[Dark9T]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Yes, actually I am new to it. I do not own the Cobb AP. Does it make since to have to pay ~ $1350 to get your car tuned? And then pay again every time you want the tune to be changed? That's just fucking retarded.

I'm not trying to bash Cobb, but I've been waiting for them to make it end-user adjustable before I buy. I guess the guys that don't do their own mods or get involved in tuning are okay with this. However, I think the people that ARE interested in tuning their own cars should have gotten first crack at using the AP to custom tune.

you can get the AP for $750 to tune your car, its came with lots of maps already but if you wanna the ATP tuning than you have to pay $500 more to get the PRO dyno tune!!

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by rader1

Actually, you're getting Cobb's maps and great customer support for the ~$800.
For $500 you're paying for a tuner to put your car on a chassis dyno and custom tailor a map for your car's hardware.
The ATP software costs about $3K and the tuner has to make a profit on it eventually.
If you want to wait for ATR you can create your own maps for free.

It just doesn't make since to me. If paying someone else to tune my car, I would expect THEM to bring all of the hardware to the table. Just like I wouldn't take my car somewhere for repair and lend them my tools...

Why wouldn't Cobb sell the tuning shops a universal AP that can load maps onto numerous cars when the software is purchased?

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that you have to buy an $850.00 AP AND THEN take it to a tuner to then pay them about $500.00 to tune your car with your own hardware? Please tell me I have this all wrong...

That's how it always works

... in any platform with any protune... the difference here being that the Cobb AP is the only way to truly flash this vehicle minus the other flashing options which aren't all that great. The Nissan GTR is the exact same way... plus I am willing to bet that $500 isn't a set rate, i've seen protunes for $300.

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by Dark9T

you got to pay to play baby girl...

You're actually paying to let someone else play with your stuff I'm a little selfish, so I want to be able to have all the fun.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

It just doesn't make since to me. If paying someone else to tune my car, I would expect THEM to bring all of the hardware to the table. Just like I wouldn't take my car somewhere for repair and lend them my tools...

Why wouldn't Cobb sell the tuning shops a universal AP that can load maps onto numerous cars when the software is purchased?

You don't want the ability to change maps and remove the tune with your own AP? You want to just get flashed and thats it?

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by Q4P

That's how it always works

... in any platform with any protune... the difference here being that the Cobb AP is the only way to truly flash this vehicle minus the other flashing options which aren't all that great. The Nissan GTR is the exact same way... plus I am willing to bet that $500 isn't a set rate, i've seen protunes for $300.

LOL, you are incorrect. There are MANY platforms that can be flashed with just software, OBDII cable, and a laptop (all of which the tuner typically provides).

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

LOL, you are incorrect. There are MANY platforms that can be flashed with just software, OBDII cable, and a laptop (all of which the tuner typically provides).

Right... this is not one of those platforms. You can call up GIAC at any moment you want if you just want a flash.

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

You don't want the ability to change maps and remove the tune with your own AP? You want to just get flashed and thats it?

No, I want the ability to tune myself. However, if I were going to pay someone else to tune my car, I would want to pay for the flash and be done with it. If I did additional mods and needed it retuned in the future, I would pay again (which is still what you would have to do in this situation), but at least I wouldn't need to pay a bunch of money for the equipment to do so.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

No, I want the ability to tune myself. However, if I were going to pay someone else to tune my car, I would want to pay for the flash and be done with it. If I did additional mods and needed it retuned in the future, I would pay again (which is still what you would have to do in this situation), but at least I wouldn't need to pay a bunch of money for the equipment to do so.

Cool don't get a Pro Tune. Basically paying shop/hours and dyno time.

ATR will be out soon. Community can share maps, load them up on the AP.

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by Q4P

Right... this is not one of those platforms. You can call up GIAC at any moment you want if you just want a flash.

I'll mail them my laptop just incase they don't have the tools they need to do the job.

[RnmEvo9]

I don't know if I will protune my car. I am honestly more than impressed with the OTS Stage 2+ map did for my car on pump 93 octane. 12.3@117mph is nothing to sneeze at with 3 simple mods while still having a large margin of safety for pump gas. I'd definitely do the protune if I want a map for race gas or larger turbos though. Its always great to have more options available.

[rader1]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

I don't know if I will protune my car. I am honestly more than impressed with the OTS Stage 2+ map did for my car on pump 93 octane. 12.3@117mph is nothing to sneeze at with 3 simple mods while still having a large margin of safety for pump gas. I'd definitely do the protune if I want a map for race gas or larger turbos though. Its always great to have more options available.

+1

Racegas, meth, big turbos, e85 or 91ACN are really the main reasons for a custom tune. We don't have any actual engine componant upgrades available(cams, head, high/low comp pistons, custom exhaust manis) so the ATP isn't as useful as it would be to platforms.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Eleventeen

LOL, you are incorrect. There are MANY platforms that can be flashed with just software, OBDII cable, and a laptop (all of which the tuner typically provides).

Umm...the shop would be tuning your car on the dyno. Multiple runs, using the ProTuner software on a laptop. They will create custom maps and load them on your AP. These are in addition to the off-the-shelf maps that come pre loaded on the AP.

[Eleventeen]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Umm...the shop would be tuning your car on the dyno. Multiple runs, using the ProTuner software on a laptop. They will create custom maps and load them on your AP. These are in addition to the off-the-shelf maps that come pre loaded on the AP.

Well, if it makes sense to you, that's cool. To me, it seems crazy to spend $1k+ to get such a common car tuned (let's be honest, were not talking about tuning Lambos here). If I'm paying a shop to tune my car, I want them to load the program onto the car, and not make me provide the equipment to do it.