[JStang]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't believe this is true. Every Cobb I've tested runs 17+psi of boost in the midrange. They taper off to 13-15psi up top as well. Very similar to what our OTS maps do in terms of boost target.

I just looked at my latest OTS E30 log and I am tapering to 12.6 @ 6500. Keep in mind this is on a FBO car. Boost is VERY aggressive compared to Cobb. Notbing wring with that as long as it proves to be safe power on stock hardware.

Apples to oranges comparison if you are comparing Cobb Stage 1 numbers to the Open Flash stage 1 numbers.

[JStang]

Originally Posted by vfeng

I havent dyno'd my car but the stg1 tune feels stronger than my cobb stg2+

I believe this to be true. The stage 1 maps probably run very similar boost and timing as stage 2+. Do you have logs yet shiv?

[Wedge1967]

I have to laugh. Why do people argue which tuning hardware/software makes the most power? Who really holds the record for highest HP stock turbo? A tune is a tune is a tune. They all do the SAME thing. At the end of the day, don't you think that hardware (mods), fuel, condition, and dyno calibration have anything to do with it? PTF has made some really great numbers, same with the current self proclaimed record holder BMS. At the end of the day, who actually took the tuner shootout at Shift S3ctor? It wasn't BMS or COBB. Unfortunately I only made 422 whp on a mustang dyno, but that doesn't qualify for a world record because it wasn't on a miss calibrated dynojet. haha What did BMS post as the record? If you calculate the average variation of 9% - 15%, 422 whp could be 460 to 485 rwhp... Hmmm Does it matter? NO Numbers don't mean $#!T unless you can put it on the track.

SO... Regardless of what tune you're running, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because we are all here for the same reason, make power, and have fun doing it. If you bought a tune and you're happy with it, great... But don't bash another tune out of assumptions. I've watched well tuned COBB cars pull flat 12's with run flats trapping at 119 with stock turbos.

[derrick603]

Originally Posted by JStang

I just looked at my latest OTS E30 log and I am tapering to 12.6 @ 6500. Keep in mind this is on a FBO car. Boost is VERY aggressive compared to Cobb. Notbing wring with that as long as it proves to be safe power on stock hardware.

Apples to oranges comparison if you are comparing Cobb Stage 1 numbers to the Open Flash stage 1 numbers.

Those stock hardware boost levels sound very high to me as well. What boost levels do the Proceed and JB4 target with stock hardware?

[JStang]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I have to laugh. Why do people argue which tuning hardware/software makes the most power? Who really holds the record for highest HP stock turbo? A tune is a tune is a tune. They all do the SAME thing. At the end of the day, don't you think that hardware (mods), fuel, condition, and dyno calibration have anything to do with it? PTF has made some really great numbers, same with the current self proclaimed record holder BMS. At the end of the day, who actually took the tuner shootout at Shift S3ctor? It wasn't BMS or COBB. Unfortunately I only made 422 whp on a mustang dyno, but that doesn't qualify for a world record because it wasn't on a miss calibrated dynojet. haha What did BMS post as the record? If you calculate the average variation of 9% - 15%, 422 whp could be 460 to 485 rwhp... Hmmm Does it matter? NO Numbers don't mean $#!T unless you can put it on the track.

SO... Regardless of what tune you're running, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because we are all here for the same reason, make power, and have fun doing it. If you bought a tune and you're happy with it, great... But don't bash another tune out of assumptions. I've watched well tuned COBB cars pull flat 12's with run flats trapping at 119 with stock turbos.

That was a breath of fresh air. Thank you!

[boost junkie]

The results don't seem out of line with what Cobb lists on their website. Different dynos of course but the gains look similar

Cobb gain: 73whp, 105 lb/ft
OT gain: 79whp, 115 lb/ft

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by boost junkie

The results don't seem out of line with what Cobb lists on their website. Different dynos of course but the gains look similar

Cobb gain: 73whp, 105 lb/ft
OT gain: 79whp, 115 lb/ft

No, since Cobb figures are 93oct which makes a big difference.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by Torgus

How is it safe to run 18psi on a stock car on crap 91?

Because you arn't running very much timing.

[derrick603]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

No, since Cobb figures are 93oct which makes a big difference.

Also keep in mind that the OP was using CA 91, which is even worse than non-ACN (Arizona, California, Nevada) 91.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Legs:

at vs. mt

91 vs 93

ots tune vs custom tune


What is the max PSI he is seeing?

Do you know what OTS stands for?

Originally Posted by Johnny Boost

Coming from the Infiniti community, I find it funny and ironic that people are actually getting MAD and defensive about this new product. Why are you mad that your car could potentially perform better for less money? Why does that make you guys so angry? You mad bro???

[boom]

This question of tune comparisons is relevant because currently there is no way to log with the OFT only. As I am currently stock and am not buying two tunes, I want to understand how far the Vishnu OTS tunes for the OFT push the car with stock hardware. I know logging is coming but I like to be sure I'm not knocking all over the place.

[melenkae90]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I have to laugh. Why do people argue which tuning hardware/software makes the most power? Who really holds the record for highest HP stock turbo? A tune is a tune is a tune. They all do the SAME thing. At the end of the day, don't you think that hardware (mods), fuel, condition, and dyno calibration have anything to do with it? PTF has made some really great numbers, same with the current self proclaimed record holder BMS. At the end of the day, who actually took the tuner shootout at Shift S3ctor? It wasn't BMS or COBB. Unfortunately I only made 422 whp on a mustang dyno, but that doesn't qualify for a world record because it wasn't on a miss calibrated dynojet. haha What did BMS post as the record? If you calculate the average variation of 9% - 15%, 422 whp could be 460 to 485 rwhp... Hmmm Does it matter? NO Numbers don't mean $#!T unless you can put it on the track.

SO... Regardless of what tune you're running, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because we are all here for the same reason, make power, and have fun doing it. If you bought a tune and you're happy with it, great... But don't bash another tune out of assumptions. I've watched well tuned COBB cars pull flat 12's with run flats trapping at 119 with stock turbos.

Finally someone who makes sense. Very well said sir

[Lunatic Fringe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Boost

Coming from the Infiniti community, I find it funny and ironic that people are actually getting MAD and defensive about this new product. Why are you mad that your car could potentially perform better for less money? Why does that make you guys so angry? You mad bro???

Sadly, some people on this forum derive their self-worth based on which tune they run. It's a travesty and a utter waste of energy, but it is what it is...

[WLF]

Originally Posted by derrick603

+80hp is significantly more than what COBB's Stage 1 ACN maps seem to offer. I'm curious how that is possible given that both are just software changes. Does OpenFlash have access to tables that AccessPort does not?

Read what Wedge said. You need to understand that Cobb tunes are very conservative, if you want more aggressive tune you can protune with PTF.
At the end of the day all tunes can do the same thing and get you the same numbers.

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I have to laugh. Why do people argue which tuning hardware/software makes the most power? Who really holds the record for highest HP stock turbo? A tune is a tune is a tune. They all do the SAME thing. At the end of the day, don't you think that hardware (mods), fuel, condition, and dyno calibration have anything to do with it? PTF has made some really great numbers, same with the current self proclaimed record holder BMS. At the end of the day, who actually took the tuner shootout at Shift S3ctor? It wasn't BMS or COBB. Unfortunately I only made 422 whp on a mustang dyno, but that doesn't qualify for a world record because it wasn't on a miss calibrated dynojet. haha What did BMS post as the record? If you calculate the average variation of 9% - 15%, 422 whp could be 460 to 485 rwhp... Hmmm Does it matter? NO Numbers don't mean $#!T unless you can put it on the track.

SO... Regardless of what tune you're running, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because we are all here for the same reason, make power, and have fun doing it. If you bought a tune and you're happy with it, great... But don't bash another tune out of assumptions. I've watched well tuned COBB cars pull flat 12's with run flats trapping at 119 with stock turbos.

Why are u doing this to urself ? there is no place for common sense here

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I have to laugh. Why do people argue which tuning hardware/software makes the most power? Who really holds the record for highest HP stock turbo? A tune is a tune is a tune. They all do the SAME thing. At the end of the day, don't you think that hardware (mods), fuel, condition, and dyno calibration have anything to do with it? PTF has made some really great numbers, same with the current self proclaimed record holder BMS. At the end of the day, who actually took the tuner shootout at Shift S3ctor? It wasn't BMS or COBB. Unfortunately I only made 422 whp on a mustang dyno, but that doesn't qualify for a world record because it wasn't on a miss calibrated dynojet. haha What did BMS post as the record? If you calculate the average variation of 9% - 15%, 422 whp could be 460 to 485 rwhp... Hmmm Does it matter? NO Numbers don't mean $#!T unless you can put it on the track.

SO... Regardless of what tune you're running, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter because we are all here for the same reason, make power, and have fun doing it. If you bought a tune and you're happy with it, great... But don't bash another tune out of assumptions. I've watched well tuned COBB cars pull flat 12's with run flats trapping at 119 with stock turbos.

Maybe we can get some people to line up at shift sector

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by WLF

Read what Wedge said. You need to understand that Cobb tunes are very conservative, if you want more aggressive tune you can protune with PTF.
At the end of the day all tunes can do the same thing and get you the same numbers.



Why are u doing this to urself ? there is no place for common sense here

Cobb tunes are conservative indeed. You must mean that you get different numbers when compared to another more aggressive tune?

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Cobb tunes are conservative indeed. You must mean that you get different numbers when compared to another more aggressive tune?

The OTS maps are conservative, intentionally, so to minimize issues with the majority of cars to keep them at a minimum (every car's situation, location, available octane is different). This also leaves room for you to play around with ATR and increase power yourself, or have a pro-tuner max out power if desired.

Boost is boost, timing is timing at the end of the day.

[derrick603]

Originally Posted by WLF

Read what Wedge said. You need to understand that Cobb tunes are very conservative, if you want more aggressive tune you can protune with PTF.
At the end of the day all tunes can do the same thing and get you the same numbers.

Yes, COBB's OTS tunes are conservative, but also realize that all OTS tunes must be made for the lowest common denominator, and are therefore also conservative, including the OpenFlash one. What I find hard to believe is that one conservative tune can safely make an additional 30 or 40 hp over another conservative tune when stock hardware, low quality gas, and the exact same tuneable tables are involved.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by E90Company

The OTS maps are conservative, intentionally, so to minimize issues with the majority of cars to keep them at a minimum (every car's situation, location, available octane is different). This also leaves room for you to play around with ATR and increase power yourself, or have a pro-tuner max out power if desired.

Boost is boost, timing is timing at the end of the day.

Exactly, and since boost, timing and fueling are somewhat different in the tunes, the outcomes are different accordingly. Most people know Cobb maps are conservative but it seems hard to admit that conservative means less power.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Exactly, and since boost, timing and fueling are somewhat different in the tunes, the outcomes are different accordingly. Most people know Cobb maps are conservative but it seems hard to admit that conservative means less power.

I agree with you.

[1chanc3]

This might seem like a noobish question, but will running 18psi on a daily driver cause any problems? I.e. Wearing the turbos or water pump faster?

At most, I plan to just add an FMIC, but way down the line. I definitely want more power, but at the same time at the end of the day, I want a "reliable" and fun car.

Was going to go the Cobb route at the end of the year, but this option seems really fitting into my budget....

[MAC335i]

I didnt see the answer to the question about what fuel this was on? Is it 91 octane?

Sorry if I missed it.