[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not touching this with a 10 foot pole...

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Honestly not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely curious.

[gblansten]

Just apolitically in terms of policy it looks like the rebates for EV purchase will go away at minimum.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Honestly not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely curious.

While you were gone for the past 10 months, the Mods added "NO POLITICS" to the Thread title and removed about 20 pages worth of what were deemed political content posts.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

While you were gone for the past 10 months, the Mods added "NO POLITICS" to the Thread title and removed about 20 pages worth of what were deemed political content posts.

Okay thanks. I was thinking I hadn't seen the no politics warning before.

I guess never mind then!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Okay thanks. I was thinking I hadn't seen the no politics warning before.

I guess never mind then!

We're all just tryin' to stay clean.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not touching this with a 10 foot pole...

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Wait. You can’t touch the mandates being eliminated, but no problem talking about EV mandates for 400 pages?

Anyways I’ve been saying there’s no way all new vehicles would be EV by 2030 from the start. At least not in the US.

[medphysdave]

Top Gun style. Pull handle between the legs and windows pop out. Minus the ejection seats

All will be well until your kids or dog gets too curious

Man dies while washing car. Hit by jettisoned window after kids play with ejection system.

Or. Just keep using mechanical handles

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Wait. You can’t touch the mandates being eliminated, but no problem talking about EV mandates for 400 pages?

Anyways I’ve been saying there’s no way all new vehicles would be EV by 2030 from the start. At least not in the US.

The entire auto industry would collapse before that would happen, because people will just stop buying cars. That's basically what's been happening in Europe already. Too expensive, not enough range, can't tow more than 100 miles, what if the grid goes down, etc.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I leased a Hummer 3x SUV for a crazy deal. It's awesome. It was an odd concept that low mph stop and go is where EVs get max range and even exceed stated range figured. Completely opposite of ice. I don't even know the mpg of the my M2. Ive never wanted to know the truth

Wife has a x5e and she fills up every couple of months.

Also, how awesome is that wave of torque off the line? So nice in city driving or merging on the highway. You just effortlessly pull away from people.
If I want drama, i'll hop in the G87 with the mid-pipe and J pipe and intake and whatever, but around town in shit conditions, you can't beat a hybrid or EV SUV.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Also, how awesome is that wave of torque off the line? So nice in city driving or merging on the highway. You just effortlessly pull away from people.
If I want drama, i'll hop in the G87 with the mid-pipe and J pipe and intake and whatever, but around town in shit conditions, you can't beat a hybrid or EV SUV.

It's nuts. I can't believe how quick it can move.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Wait. You can’t touch the mandates being eliminated, but no problem talking about EV mandates for 400 pages?

Anyways I’ve been saying there’s no way all new vehicles would be EV by 2030 from the start. At least not in the US.

I thought most of us were having a great discussion on mandates for the last 400 pages, but that was before the thread was re-labeled and de-boned. SteVTEC used the T-Word in his post, which triggers nearly everyone who monitors the internet and car forums. I abstain now at this point.

From a HISTORICAL perspective EV, were politically mandated into existence. This fact is easily proved and validated by review of both California and Federal legislation and Agency-level regulations. It's a great topic, but ironically, verboten in car forums.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I thought most of us were having a great discussion on mandates for the last 400 pages, but that was before the thread was re-labeled and de-boned. SteVTEC used the T-Word in his post, which triggers nearly everyone who monitors the internet and car forums. I abstain now at this point.

From a HISTORICAL perspective EV were politically mandated into existence. This fact is easily proved and validated by review of both California and Federal legislation and Agency-level regulations. It's a great topic, but ironically, verboten in car forums.

Those mandates are in Canada and much of Europe as well, odd the such a fact can't be discussed.

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=SteVTEC;31629289]The entire auto industry would collapse before that would happen, because people will just stop buying cars. That's basically what's been happening in Europe already. Too expensive, not enough range, can't tow more than 100 miles,what if the grid goes down

Two choices beckon, a PI hybrid or just plain gas, too many buy/lease a full
EV too quickly, possibly non car people that believe the tv ads or what they read in dubious articles and then when the truth dawns want to get rid of it either taking a big loss or just can't sell it at all.

[Equilibrandt]

A fun watch; Hagerty is still the benchmark for car/YouTube cinematography for me. Would still take the G8X every day of the week, but this makes it a bit more clear why some of my //M/AMG friends were suddenly cross-shopping and test driving the refreshed Model 3 Perf.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I thought most of us were having a great discussion on mandates for the last 400 pages, but that was before the thread was re-labeled and de-boned. SteVTEC used the T-Word in his post, which triggers nearly everyone who monitors the internet and car forums. I abstain now at this point.

From a HISTORICAL perspective EV, were politically mandated into existence. This fact is easily proved and validated by review of both California and Federal legislation and Agency-level regulations. It's a great topic, but ironically, verboten in car forums.

Exclusive: T**** transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

Seems discussion worthy but....

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Exclusive: T**** transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

Seems discussion worthy but....

Nothing exclusive. Pretty much everyone knows this policy change.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Nothing exclusive. Pretty much everyone knows this policy change.

I think the question is the motive behind it - seems like Elon maybe pushed for it as it benefits Tesla by harming its competitors (since Tesla has more margin to play with to absorb a loss in tax credit as opposed to other automakers).

[dfox]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I think the question is the motive behind it - seems like Elon maybe pushed for it as it benefits Tesla by harming its competitors (since Tesla has more margin to play with to absorb a loss in tax credit as opposed to other automakers).

The motive isn't in question. It's very clear. Musk wants to take the benefits and run.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Exclusive: T**** transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

Seems discussion worthy but....

I think the difficulty will be with the USMCA.

[SpacegrayMe90]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Exclusive: T**** transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

Seems discussion worthy but....

Odd since Elon made sure to help Trump win. How will this affect Tesla's sales?

The EV tax credit was beneficial for me in added one as a commuter car.

[gonzo]

^
He cares about Tesla sales figures and he doesn't, imo. When he lasers in on something, look out.

Relatively quite to very vocal and involved. Last straw, if you will.
Thank you Elon Musk!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

This is exactly how I feel about unconventional doors on cars. It’s about a perceived cool factor. The thing is you gain more respect for conventional designs after living with unconventional ones for any given period of time.

Agree for the most part, but coach doors, like on the 1960's Lincoln Continental are both cool and practical.