HPFP failure FAQ!

MD 335is · 05-11-2011, 10:28 AM

Has anyone reported a failure on the 335is yet?

RaZCaL · 05-15-2011, 11:36 AM

My HPFP failed. This was after doing the recall 3 months ago. Never had a problem before that. Bringing my car to the dealership tomorrow morning.

tsa1 · 05-16-2011, 05:52 AM

My 933 had been working fine for over a year, or over 17k. Decided to do the recall in Feb and got the new 446. No problems so far, other than my car overheating today (fuel pump someone speculated) my car has 57,xxx miles.

RaZCaL · 05-17-2011, 11:37 AM

Just got back my car. They replaced the bad hpfp with the 446. Seems like the car is running a lot smoother. Hope this last.

Used2335 · 05-21-2011, 11:46 PM

This is a good write up for a new 335i owner. Thanks!

oilcrankinject · 06-01-2011, 02:44 PM

6/08 build e92. Called BMW NA in March and they said no recalls. Took to the German BMW dealer today for different reason and they said my car was recalled for HPFP.

This was a German BMW dealer telling me my US spec car was recalled.
I was getting long cranks but they were not all the time.

They said they replaced the HPFP. I pick it up on Friday (German holiday tomorrow)

och · 06-11-2011, 06:46 PM

Back in April we brought my wifes car to the dealership to get a couple problems fix - one of the tail lights was out, and there was a warning for low coolant. They took care of these two problem, changed oil and filter, and did two recalls - one was apparently software update and the other one was the allmighty fuel pump. The car had around 8k on the clock at that time.

Yesterday the fuel pump died. She limped to the dealership, and they don't even have loaners available for customers with emergency repairs. Theres roughly 9k on the clock right now.

GarySL · 06-11-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by och

Back in April we brought my wifes car to the dealership to get a couple problems fix - one of the tail lights was out, and there was a warning for low coolant. They took care of these two problem, changed oil and filter, and did two recalls - one was apparently software update and the other one was the allmighty fuel pump. The car had around 8k on the clock at that time.

Yesterday the fuel pump died. She limped to the dealership, and they don't even have loaners available for customers with emergency repairs. Theres roughly 9k on the clock right now.

Sorry Och, to hear of your failed hpfp.

Did you note what the part # was for the replacement fuel pump that was installed in April? And would be curious what they put in new. Thanks.

Hope the car is fixed soon.

och · 06-11-2011, 08:04 PM

4.18.11 - mileage 8,184

Tech removed and replace High Pressure Pump as per SIB 13 09 10
Exchange high-press 13-51-7-616-446
Asa-Bolt 13-53-7-582-770

yupeak · 06-11-2011, 10:54 PM

Thanks for the info.

bartman32 · 06-12-2011, 01:59 AM

Got the dreaded 1/2 engine - engine malfunction reduced power 5 times on Friday. Every time a restarted the car it would go away for a while then come back. Took it to Irvine BMW today. They said that because I have a K&N air filter in the car, they will not do diagnostics. Must be caused by the filter. 30K miles, already had to HPFP's replaced! This SUCKS.

What really gets me is that they are now putting this on pretty much every car in the fleet right? 1,3,5,X,Z and soon we will be seeing turbos in M's too. Is there a BMW left worth buying?

Now I'm left with a malfunctioning car! Really pissed!

och · 06-12-2011, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartman32

Got the dreaded 1/2 engine - engine malfunction reduced power 5 times on Friday. Every time a restarted the car it would go away for a while then come back. Took it to Irvine BMW today. They said that because I have a K&N air filter in the car, they will not do diagnostics. Must be caused by the filter. 30K miles, already had to HPFP's replaced! This SUCKS.

What really gets me is that they are now putting this on pretty much every car in the fleet right? 1,3,5,X,Z and soon we will be seeing turbos in M's too. Is there a BMW left worth buying?

Now I'm left with a malfunctioning car! Really pissed!

I'm not sure what kind of setup 335 uses, but I had a K&N filter in my Lexus, and the oil from it killed the hotwire mass airflow sensor, and the car ran very badly. I dumped that filter in the trash, replaced it with OEM filter, cleaned the MAF, and the car ran great ever after.

Cupid_Stunt · 06-13-2011, 03:24 PM

Stats:

Date of Manufacture: 3/07
In Service Date: 07/07
Type: 335i Convertible
Mileage: 36,XXX miles
BMW Service History: Standard maintenance, failure of headlight at 10,000 miles. No other issues.
Me: Second owner, since mile 9,600
HPFP issues before: Abso-f***ing-lutelty none. Almost starts before you push the button, regardless of temp or phase of the moon.

What happened:

-Went in for "Last Free" oil change.
-Informed HPFP needed replaced, software update
-I declined told them I would bring it in when it failed.
-Was told recall not optional, voided warranty if I refused.
-446 pump installed, ECU re-flashed.

Results:
-I now have a very nice Toyota Camry.
-software update dialed down boost below 3500rpm.

What I think happened:
-2007 model ECUs are different from 2008 and on
-ECU reflash is blanketed for all models, but 2007 software
and ECU was different or....
-BMW purposely dialed back boost in an attempt to reduce load on the HPFP assembly, at the expense of low end torque.
-I purchased a car that was almost squarely in the middle of a 328i and and M3. the re-flash has made my car a throaty sounding 328i.

My action:
-Cobb Accessport.

What I would like to say to BMWNA:
-There is no more hitler, BMW.
-Don't force a hardware update on customers, and then sneak a software update that dials back boost, for the purpose of extending the life of a component with an obvious design flaw.
-Incompetence or arrogance? Does it matter? In the end the end user result is the same.

ALLLRIGHTYTHEN · 06-15-2011, 02:54 PM

So I bought my 2007 335i a year ago with 48k miles on it. It had 2 previous HPFPs replaced by the previous owner. The very first day I took it home, I got the long cranks. The next day, I took it back to BMW and they installed the new updated HPFP and the ECU update. No problems since then. Ppower great, boost great, Love the DS mode. Very quick. Would I buy it again, you bet I would. Love this car. Also, if the pump goes again, I'll install it again and again.

rckt · 06-20-2011, 05:19 PM

52 pages and still no fix. I just bought a 2008 CPO e93. I know they replaced the HPFP as part of the CPO but does not specify part #.

menewtobmw · 06-21-2011, 11:42 AM

Just bought my 335i last weekend. Called to check if the work had been done and it had not. It is in the shop as we speak, being worked on for both the reprogramming recall and HPFP. I will report on part number once I have the invoice.

bartman32 · 06-22-2011, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by menewtobmw

Just bought my 335i last weekend. Called to check if the work had been done and it had not. It is in the shop as we speak, being worked on for both the reprogramming recall and HPFP. I will report on part number once I have the invoice.

I thought HPFP was only on Turbo cars. This is a problem for the entire line now? Oh man!

menewtobmw · 06-22-2011, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartman32

I thought HPFP was only on Turbo cars. This is a problem for the entire line now? Oh man!

It is a 335i and turbo...

saeyedoc · 06-23-2011, 04:26 PM

What's the over/under for first failure in a 1 M?

tibra1 · 06-23-2011, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by och

I'm not sure what kind of setup 335 uses, but I had a K&N filter in my Lexus, and the oil from it killed the hotwire mass airflow sensor, and the car ran very badly. I dumped that filter in the trash, replaced it with OEM filter, cleaned the MAF, and the car ran great ever after.

LOL...the 335i doesnt use a MAF sensor..it uses a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor which is completely unaffected by oil from a filter

bartman32 · 06-23-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartman32

Got the dreaded 1/2 engine - engine malfunction reduced power 5 times on Friday. Every time a restarted the car it would go away for a while then come back. Took it to Irvine BMW today. They said that because I have a K&N air filter in the car, they will not do diagnostics. Must be caused by the filter. 30K miles, already had to HPFP's replaced! This SUCKS.

What really gets me is that they are now putting this on pretty much every car in the fleet right? 1,3,5,X,Z and soon we will be seeing turbos in M's too. Is there a BMW left worth buying?

Now I'm left with a malfunctioning car! Really pissed!

Just a quick update. After talking to the service manager they took it in. Engineer said "I don't see a problem with K&N filter". Seems it wasn't HPFP but Waste Gate Actuator of something to that effect. They adjusted it and its supposed to be fixed. We'll see next time I'm on the track.

Thanks to those that have replied.

Slopes · 06-25-2011, 07:27 PM

The Bosch HPFP on my '09 335i was replaced with the Continental HPFP @ 8500 miles. I'm @ 13,225 miles now and no hickups. What usually kills fuel pumps is excessive heat (which is more than abundant under the hood of a 335i) and a lack of lubricity. Since the change I have never filled with any fuel that contains ethanol. Ethanol is corrosive. It may be fine for the 'Flex Fuel' cars but I'm not taking the chance. I also run Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant. The owner's manual says NOT to run any additives, but I've had great success running it in several vehicles. I'm not a believer in snake oil, but this one seems to work. I've got my fingers crossed that this problem is solved because this car is too much fun to give up on.

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05-15-2011, 11:36 AM	#992
RaZCaL Enlisted Member 1 Rep 40 Posts Drives: E90 Alpine White 335xi Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	My HPFP failed. This was after doing the recall 3 months ago. Never had a problem before that. Bringing my car to the dealership tomorrow morning.
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05-16-2011, 05:52 AM	#993
tsa1 Enlisted Member 0 Rep 32 Posts Drives: 08 e90 335i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	My 933 had been working fine for over a year, or over 17k. Decided to do the recall in Feb and got the new 446. No problems so far, other than my car overheating today (fuel pump someone speculated) my car has 57,xxx miles.
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RaZCaL Enlisted Member 1 Rep 40 Posts Drives: E90 Alpine White 335xi Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Just got back my car. They replaced the bad hpfp with the 446. Seems like the car is running a lot smoother. Hope this last.
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Used2335 Private First Class 13 Rep 117 Posts Drives: Too Slow Join Date: May 2011 Location: FL iTrader: (2)	This is a good write up for a new 335i owner. Thanks!
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06-01-2011, 02:44 PM	#996
oilcrankinject Captain 89 Rep 996 Posts Drives: nothing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	6/08 build e92. Called BMW NA in March and they said no recalls. Took to the German BMW dealer today for different reason and they said my car was recalled for HPFP. This was a German BMW dealer telling me my US spec car was recalled. I was getting long cranks but they were not all the time. They said they replaced the HPFP. I pick it up on Friday (German holiday tomorrow)
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06-11-2011, 06:46 PM	#997
och Banned 200 Rep 557 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 X5 xDrive50i [0.00] 2018 BMW M2 [0.00] 2017 X6M [0.00] 2013 Suzuki Bouleva ... [0.00]	Back in April we brought my wifes car to the dealership to get a couple problems fix - one of the tail lights was out, and there was a warning for low coolant. They took care of these two problem, changed oil and filter, and did two recalls - one was apparently software update and the other one was the allmighty fuel pump. The car had around 8k on the clock at that time. Yesterday the fuel pump died. She limped to the dealership, and they don't even have loaners available for customers with emergency repairs. Theres roughly 9k on the clock right now.
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och Banned 200 Rep 557 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 X5 xDrive50i [0.00] 2018 BMW M2 [0.00] 2017 X6M [0.00] 2013 Suzuki Bouleva ... [0.00]	4.18.11 - mileage 8,184 Tech removed and replace High Pressure Pump as per SIB 13 09 10 Exchange high-press 13-51-7-616-446 Asa-Bolt 13-53-7-582-770
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06-11-2011, 10:54 PM	#1000
yupeak New Member 0 Rep 9 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 335i xDrive Join Date: May 2011 Location: Vancouver BC iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the info.
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06-12-2011, 01:59 AM	#1001
bartman32 Colonel 110 Rep 2,317 Posts Drives: F87 M2 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The OC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 M2 [0.00]	Got the dreaded 1/2 engine - engine malfunction reduced power 5 times on Friday. Every time a restarted the car it would go away for a while then come back. Took it to Irvine BMW today. They said that because I have a K&N air filter in the car, they will not do diagnostics. Must be caused by the filter. 30K miles, already had to HPFP's replaced! This SUCKS. What really gets me is that they are now putting this on pretty much every car in the fleet right? 1,3,5,X,Z and soon we will be seeing turbos in M's too. Is there a BMW left worth buying? Now I'm left with a malfunctioning car! Really pissed!
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06-13-2011, 03:24 PM	#1003
Cupid_Stunt Success Leaves Clues. 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: 335i Convertible Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Stats: Date of Manufacture: 3/07 In Service Date: 07/07 Type: 335i Convertible Mileage: 36,XXX miles BMW Service History: Standard maintenance, failure of headlight at 10,000 miles. No other issues. Me: Second owner, since mile 9,600 HPFP issues before: Abso-f***ing-lutelty none. Almost starts before you push the button, regardless of temp or phase of the moon. What happened: -Went in for "Last Free" oil change. -Informed HPFP needed replaced, software update -I declined told them I would bring it in when it failed. -Was told recall not optional, voided warranty if I refused. -446 pump installed, ECU re-flashed. Results: -I now have a very nice Toyota Camry. -software update dialed down boost below 3500rpm. What I think happened: -2007 model ECUs are different from 2008 and on -ECU reflash is blanketed for all models, but 2007 software and ECU was different or.... -BMW purposely dialed back boost in an attempt to reduce load on the HPFP assembly, at the expense of low end torque. -I purchased a car that was almost squarely in the middle of a 328i and and M3. the re-flash has made my car a throaty sounding 328i. My action: -Cobb Accessport. What I would like to say to BMWNA: -There is no more hitler, BMW. -Don't force a hardware update on customers, and then sneak a software update that dials back boost, for the purpose of extending the life of a component with an obvious design flaw. -Incompetence or arrogance? Does it matter? In the end the end user result is the same.
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06-15-2011, 02:54 PM	#1004
ALLLRIGHTYTHEN Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 246 Posts Drives: 2007 Silver 335i Sedan Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wesley Chapel, Florida, USA iTrader: (2)	So I bought my 2007 335i a year ago with 48k miles on it. It had 2 previous HPFPs replaced by the previous owner. The very first day I took it home, I got the long cranks. The next day, I took it back to BMW and they installed the new updated HPFP and the ECU update. No problems since then. Ppower great, boost great, Love the DS mode. Very quick. Would I buy it again, you bet I would. Love this car. Also, if the pump goes again, I'll install it again and again.
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06-20-2011, 05:19 PM	#1005
rckt AutoNut 8 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 2025 BMW X5 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Palm Beach, FL iTrader: (0)	52 pages and still no fix. I just bought a 2008 CPO e93. I know they replaced the HPFP as part of the CPO but does not specify part #.
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06-21-2011, 11:42 AM	#1006
menewtobmw Private First Class 25 Rep 160 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Scottsdale, AZ iTrader: (1)	Just bought my 335i last weekend. Called to check if the work had been done and it had not. It is in the shop as we speak, being worked on for both the reprogramming recall and HPFP. I will report on part number once I have the invoice.
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06-23-2011, 04:26 PM	#1009
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06-25-2011, 07:27 PM	#1012
Slopes Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Saskatoon, Sk. Canada iTrader: (0)	HPFP Failures The Bosch HPFP on my '09 335i was replaced with the Continental HPFP @ 8500 miles. I'm @ 13,225 miles now and no hickups. What usually kills fuel pumps is excessive heat (which is more than abundant under the hood of a 335i) and a lack of lubricity. Since the change I have never filled with any fuel that contains ethanol. Ethanol is corrosive. It may be fine for the 'Flex Fuel' cars but I'm not taking the chance. I also run Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant. The owner's manual says NOT to run any additives, but I've had great success running it in several vehicles. I'm not a believer in snake oil, but this one seems to work. I've got my fingers crossed that this problem is solved because this car is too much fun to give up on.
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