CIC HDD to SSD

Heavenzjh · 07-11-2018, 08:50 AM

So, this navigation will start much more quickly.

Can this kind of aftermarket navigation, be modified too? www.ewaying.com

Fraizer · 07-04-2019, 11:44 PM

hello guys and specialy Ao1 kioneo Jagaer

can you please tell me if its realy start faster than the orignal bmw hard drive ?

because for me i see no any improvment. when i resetboot my cic the normal HD the SSD make exactly 13seconds to have the navigation boot. about the zoom in zoom out on map is the same or almost the same (hard to mesure time like that).

please guys are you sure it make an faster boot or an faster zoom in zoom out ? because it look not at all for me... but realy nothing

my car E64 LCI 635D of 07/2009, orginal CIC no retrofit, with last map west europe 2019-2 usb. my car is fully updated with the CIC too with the last ISTA-P .4.17.x and ICOM Next orginal from BMW.

i use as you paragon disk manager 15, i did that on an Transcend TS128GPSD330 of 128gb --> https://www.amazon.co.uk/128GB-Trans...gateway&sr=8-1

and because i saw no any improvment i try with that too:

Delock converter IDE 44 Pin> mSATA 2.5Z 7 mm build height (i dont know if it is with an marvel controler but sometime it lost the the navigation like no hard drive...)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Delock-6249...ateway&sr=8-11

and

Samsung MZ-M6E250BW 250 GB 860 EVO mSATA III 64L V NAND Solid State Drive

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SSD...ateway&sr=8-12

hapklaar · 01-04-2020, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fraizer

hello guys and specialy Ao1 kioneo Jagaer

can you please tell me if its realy start faster than the orignal bmw hard drive ?

because for me i see no any improvment. when i resetboot my cic the normal HD the SSD make exactly 13seconds to have the navigation boot. about the zoom in zoom out on map is the same or almost the same (hard to mesure time like that).

please guys are you sure it make an faster boot or an faster zoom in zoom out ? because it look not at all for me... but realy nothing

my car E64 LCI 635D of 07/2009, orginal CIC no retrofit, with last map west europe 2019-2 usb. my car is fully updated with the CIC too with the last ISTA-P .4.17.x and ICOM Next orginal from BMW.

i use as you paragon disk manager 15, i did that on an Transcend TS128GPSD330 of 128gb --> https://www.amazon.co.uk/128GB-Trans...gateway&sr=8-1

and because i saw no any improvment i try with that too:

Delock converter IDE 44 Pin> mSATA 2.5Z 7 mm build height (i dont know if it is with an marvel controler but sometime it lost the the navigation like no hard drive...)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Delock-6249...ateway&sr=8-11

and

Samsung MZ-M6E250BW 250 GB 860 EVO mSATA III 64L V NAND Solid State Drive

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SSD...ateway&sr=8-12

Were you able to get it faster? I also replaced my HDD with a 128GB SSD, but also see no improvement in startup speed at all. Wondering if I should try another adapter+M2...

opjose · 01-05-2020, 04:26 PM

The SSD upgrade does NOT affect startup speeds as the CIC boots from flash memory already.

That is why you can remove the HDD and still get limited operation of the CIC.

The SSD upgrade does improve map zooming and moves since that requires data reads from the drive.

hapklaar · 01-08-2020, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opjose

The SSD upgrade does NOT affect startup speeds as the CIC boots from flash memory already.

That is why you can remove the HDD and still get limited operation of the CIC.

The SSD upgrade does improve map zooming and moves since that requires data reads from the drive.

Yes sorry, I meant starting up navigation after CIC startup and the BMW logo has disappeared. This takes as long as with the original HDD for some reason. Curious to know how much faster this should be.

opjose · 01-09-2020, 12:45 AM

The speed that the system gets a fix affects how fast you end up at the map screen so you may not see an apparent change there.

Once a map comes up try moving around or zooming in and out. Usually this is where there is a dramatic difference.

But be aware that the difference is conspicuous by its absence. You would really notice it more if you put the HDD back in... much like putting an SSD in a computer... you may notice it is faster but you don't realize how different it is until you go back.

Culichor · 02-26-2023, 08:10 PM

Successfully copy my HD
1- HDD Raw Copy Tool
2- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and 3- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Jack1223 · 04-21-2023, 04:42 PM

For future searchers!

Successfully cloned CIC Hard Drive in WIN10 (No Linux needed) - April 2023

Tools & Materials:
1- USB To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/ivPVyE0
2- 128GB sATA SSD - https://a.co/d/6PLVwgJ
3- sATA To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/1AdVwQI
4- HDD Raw Copy Tool - https://hddguru.com/software/HDD-Raw-Copy-Tool/

NOTES
1 - Remove the Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper from the sATA To IDE Adaptor (Item 3 above) before copying the CIC Image to the SSD. The new drive WILL NOT INSERT INTO THE CAR CRADLE WITH THE JUMPER IN PLACE
2 - This sATA To IDE Adaptor DOES NOT WORK --> https://a.co/d/hXTwjs7
3 - After installing the SSD into the car, reboot the CIC unit by pressing the Power button and holding for about 15 seconds
4 - Time spent
Remove Cradle with HDD from car -20 minutes
Install SSD & Adaptor into BWM Cradle - 10 minutes
Clone Old Drive to Image File (Retain *.imgc file as backup) - 60 minutes
Write Image File to SSD - 60 minutes
Reinstall Cradle with SSD in car - 20 minutes

Cheers

ZinkDifferent · 04-29-2023, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack1223

3 - After installing the SSD into the car, reboot the CIC unit by pressing the Power button and holding for about 15 seconds

THANK YOU!

I've just completed this and after inserting the SSD into my e70 CIC, it is greying out the NAVIGATION function and telling me "THIS FUNCTION COULD NOT BE ACTIVATED" - this appears to be some sort of permissions issue on the cloned SSD, ie it seems like it can't write to it?

ZinkDifferent · 04-29-2023, 12:39 PM

Has anyone experienced something similar? I don't really care about the navigation that much (I use Apple's CarPlay), but other aspects might be affected as well?

yuggoboy · 07-15-2023, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack1223

For future searchers!

Successfully cloned CIC Hard Drive in WIN10 (No Linux needed) - April 2023

Tools & Materials:
1- USB To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/ivPVyE0
2- 128GB sATA SSD - https://a.co/d/6PLVwgJ
3- sATA To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/1AdVwQI
4- HDD Raw Copy Tool - https://hddguru.com/software/HDD-Raw-Copy-Tool/

NOTES
1 - Remove the Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper from the sATA To IDE Adaptor (Item 3 above) before copying the CIC Image to the SSD. The new drive WILL NOT INSERT INTO THE CAR CRADLE WITH THE JUMPER IN PLACE
2 - This sATA To IDE Adaptor DOES NOT WORK --> https://a.co/d/hXTwjs7
3 - After installing the SSD into the car, reboot the CIC unit by pressing the Power button and holding for about 15 seconds
4 - Time spent
Remove Cradle with HDD from car -20 minutes
Install SSD & Adaptor into BWM Cradle - 10 minutes
Clone Old Drive to Image File (Retain *.imgc file as backup) - 60 minutes
Write Image File to SSD - 60 minutes
Reinstall Cradle with SSD in car - 20 minutes

Cheers

Hi

How did you recreate those partitions? I have one corrupted (hbdebug) and maybe that is why all my music cannot be loaded (its just spinning)

uhhh_maks · 06-19-2024, 11:08 AM

Just performed the swap successfully on my '12 135i using these parts:

Drive: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GMD5R7M

mSATA to IDE Adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017VQT5YW

IDE to USB Cable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E7EPKUO

Used HDD Raw Copy, super easy. I used the portable version. Just select the HDD as source and pick a folder as target. Then swap out for SSD, select that file for source and SSD for target.

5 min for removal, 60 min to clone drives, 5 min for reinstall.

Before: 90% of the time CIC just wouldn't boot, black screen. Sometimes it would boot up during a drive, mostly cycling through the BMW splash and orange screen. Once in a blue moon it would boot and work normally.

Now it boots instantly and everything including maps is working as it should. Had no music saved so can't speak to that.

07-11-2018, 08:50 AM	#89
Heavenzjh New Member 3 Rep 8 Posts Drives: E90 Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Good job So, this navigation will start much more quickly. Can this kind of aftermarket navigation, be modified too? www.ewaying.com
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07-04-2019, 11:44 PM	#90
Fraizer New Member 2 Rep 7 Posts Drives: BMW E64 LCI 635D year 2009 Join Date: May 2019 Location: France iTrader: (0)	hello guys and specialy Ao1 kioneo Jagaer can you please tell me if its realy start faster than the orignal bmw hard drive ? because for me i see no any improvment. when i resetboot my cic the normal HD the SSD make exactly 13seconds to have the navigation boot. about the zoom in zoom out on map is the same or almost the same (hard to mesure time like that). please guys are you sure it make an faster boot or an faster zoom in zoom out ? because it look not at all for me... but realy nothing my car E64 LCI 635D of 07/2009, orginal CIC no retrofit, with last map west europe 2019-2 usb. my car is fully updated with the CIC too with the last ISTA-P .4.17.x and ICOM Next orginal from BMW. i use as you paragon disk manager 15, i did that on an Transcend TS128GPSD330 of 128gb --> https://www.amazon.co.uk/128GB-Trans...gateway&sr=8-1 and because i saw no any improvment i try with that too: Delock converter IDE 44 Pin> mSATA 2.5Z 7 mm build height (i dont know if it is with an marvel controler but sometime it lost the the navigation like no hard drive...) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Delock-6249...ateway&sr=8-11 and Samsung MZ-M6E250BW 250 GB 860 EVO mSATA III 64L V NAND Solid State Drive https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SSD...ateway&sr=8-12
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01-05-2020, 04:26 PM	#92
opjose Major 244 Rep 1,373 Posts Drives: 335xi Join Date: May 2016 Location: Md iTrader: (0)	The SSD upgrade does NOT affect startup speeds as the CIC boots from flash memory already. That is why you can remove the HDD and still get limited operation of the CIC. The SSD upgrade does improve map zooming and moves since that requires data reads from the drive.
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01-09-2020, 12:45 AM	#94
opjose Major 244 Rep 1,373 Posts Drives: 335xi Join Date: May 2016 Location: Md iTrader: (0)	The speed that the system gets a fix affects how fast you end up at the map screen so you may not see an apparent change there. Once a map comes up try moving around or zooming in and out. Usually this is where there is a dramatic difference. But be aware that the difference is conspicuous by its absence. You would really notice it more if you put the HDD back in... much like putting an SSD in a computer... you may notice it is faster but you don't realize how different it is until you go back.
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Culichor Private First Class 20 Rep 130 Posts Drives: 2016 Sienna 11' 335is vert Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: MOON iTrader: (0)	Successfully copy my HD 1- HDD Raw Copy Tool 2- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and 3- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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04-21-2023, 04:42 PM	#96
Jack1223 Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: GA USA iTrader: (0)	For future searchers! Successfully cloned CIC Hard Drive in WIN10 (No Linux needed) - April 2023 Tools & Materials: 1- USB To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/ivPVyE0 2- 128GB sATA SSD - https://a.co/d/6PLVwgJ 3- sATA To IDE Adaptor - https://a.co/d/1AdVwQI 4- HDD Raw Copy Tool - https://hddguru.com/software/HDD-Raw-Copy-Tool/ NOTES 1 - Remove the Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper from the sATA To IDE Adaptor (Item 3 above) before copying the CIC Image to the SSD. The new drive WILL NOT INSERT INTO THE CAR CRADLE WITH THE JUMPER IN PLACE 2 - This sATA To IDE Adaptor DOES NOT WORK --> https://a.co/d/hXTwjs7 3 - After installing the SSD into the car, reboot the CIC unit by pressing the Power button and holding for about 15 seconds 4 - Time spent Remove Cradle with HDD from car -20 minutes Install SSD & Adaptor into BWM Cradle - 10 minutes Clone Old Drive to Image File (Retain .imgc file as backup) - 60 minutes Write Image File to SSD - 60 minutes Reinstall Cradle with SSD in car - 20 minutes Cheers Last edited by Jack1223; 04-21-2023 at 04:59 PM..*
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04-29-2023, 12:39 PM	#98
ZinkDifferent New Member 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: '10 e93 convertible, '12 e70 Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Los Angeles, CA - USA iTrader: (0)	Has anyone experienced something similar? I don't really care about the navigation that much (I use Apple's CarPlay), but other aspects might be affected as well?
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06-19-2024, 11:08 AM	#100
uhhh_maks New Member 14 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 2012 135i Join Date: Nov 2023 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	Just performed the swap successfully on my '12 135i using these parts: Drive: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GMD5R7M mSATA to IDE Adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017VQT5YW IDE to USB Cable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E7EPKUO Used HDD Raw Copy, super easy. I used the portable version. Just select the HDD as source and pick a folder as target. Then swap out for SSD, select that file for source and SSD for target. 5 min for removal, 60 min to clone drives, 5 min for reinstall. Before: 90% of the time CIC just wouldn't boot, black screen. Sometimes it would boot up during a drive, mostly cycling through the BMW splash and orange screen. Once in a blue moon it would boot and work normally. Now it boots instantly and everything including maps is working as it should. Had no music saved so can't speak to that.
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