MOTIV Single turbo DIY

Zombie1 · 01-12-2015, 05:38 PM

Your the man great write up. Looking forward to some videos

turb0mik3 · 01-12-2015, 06:07 PM

Absolutely awesome.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 01-12-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

From the data i have gotten from my buddy, yes with out question. I am going to post a lengthy piece of info in DIY here today. He is also logging pressures from vent tube ect. On a stock to "moderate" boosted car its fine. Not the case on heavily modified high boosted car.

I think it's bad info. With higher boost you get even more blow by and there is even more need for the OCC. You can vent to atmosphere as you're doing but in addition to being illegal it's going to smell horrendous and spray oil out of the breather under boost. When running at 25psi+ BMS catches 1/4 of an OCC worth of oil during an average rolling race weekend. With the OCC in place you can vent that if you want but you'll still get the odor issues. BMS suggests routing the OCC outlet back to the filter inlet as FFTEC kits are setup.

Mike

3000GT MR · 01-12-2015, 07:18 PM

Read your txt Rob!

robc1976 · 01-12-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Read your txt Rob!

Roflmao!

DuDai · 01-12-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

Roflmao!

I doubt you are...

Cloud9blue · 01-12-2015, 08:18 PM

probably not a good idea to drive that beast on the street with the weather we have right now. but you gotta at least show us some videos on the thing running in the garage!

robc1976 · 01-12-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I think it's bad info. With higher boost you get even more blow by and there is even more need for the OCC. You can vent to atmosphere as you're doing but in addition to being illegal it's going to smell horrendous and spray oil out of the breather under boost. When running at 25psi+ BMS catches 1/4 of an OCC worth of oil during an average rolling race weekend. With the OCC in place you can vent that if you want but you'll still get the odor issues. BMS suggests routing the OCC outlet back to the filter inlet as FFTEC kits are setup.

Mike

I rather change a filter than have all that pressure in my head. The check valve in question here is the one in the vent hose, the other is closed under boost. The ONLY reason that bmw runs the vent hose back into the induction tube is for emissions and that is the ONLY reason. They're is very little vaccum applied to it. What is the vacuum for? It is too suck that crap back into the motor thru the turbo/induction tube ect. A catch can is a bit restrictive because it has a abstruction in flow path and that builds pressure causing turbo oil drain problems and not mention sucking oil crap thru my turbo. Pressure will go to the least resistance, I rather it go thru my unristrictive filter than blow out a crankcase shaft seal ect. I wouldn't call this bad info.

Not trying to be rude Mike lol! I bought my 1st mods from you.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 01-12-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

I rather change a filter than have all that pressure in my head. The check valve in question here is the one in the vent hose, the other is closed under boost. The ONLY reason that bmw runs the vent hose back into the induction tube is for emissions and that is the ONLY reason. They're is very little vaccum applied to it. What is the vacuum for? It is too suck that crap back into the motor thru the turbo/induction tube ect. A catch can is a bit restrictive because it has a abstruction in flow path and that builds pressure causing turbo oil drain problems and not mention sucking oil crap thru my turbo. Pressure will go to the least resistance, I rather it go thru my unristrictive filter than blow out a crankcase shaft seal ect. I wouldn't call this bad info.

Not trying to be rude Mike lol! I bought my 1st mods from you.

You're under estimating how much oil is going to spray all over your engine bay that way at higher boost levels. You'll see.

The BMS OCC is extremely high flow and has been well tested in single turbo applications. It's not going to be a restriction. There is nothing wrong with what you're doing its just going to eventually make a big mess IMHO.

Mike

robc1976 · 01-12-2015, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

probably not a good idea to drive that beast on the street with the weather we have right now. but you gotta at least show us some videos on the thing running in the garage!

I have that vid, I drove it today and this kit spooled as fast if not faster than my RB's. Car is faster on map 4 with only wastegate pressure (15 PSI) Than my RB's without question. The spooling is insane....I was not expecting that.

robc1976 · 01-12-2015, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You're under estimating how much oil is going to spray all over your engine bay that way at higher boost levels. You'll see.

The BMS OCC is extremely high flow and has been well tested in single turbo applications. It's not going to be a restriction. There is nothing wrong with what you're doing its just going to eventually make a big mess IMHO.

Mike

I am concerned about pressure, if it is proven to be high flow I would route the OCC into the system. My buddy had this OCC on his fttech 5862 and when dynoed had steam come out abd had like a oil sweat on the OCC lines. I have had this happen as well with my RB setup...NOT on the OEM turbo setup. Only when I started boosting higher. This to me is pressure build up.

I will say you will get a odor but only at higher boost levels. Not at normal driving.

robc1976 · 01-12-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stucks

Does this include upgraded stock framed turbos or just big singles?!

stock framed turbo car won't create add much pressure imho.

j23a45m · 01-12-2015, 10:25 PM

sick DIY wow

uniter · 01-12-2015, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You're under estimating how much oil is going to spray all over your engine bay that way at higher boost levels. You'll see.

The BMS OCC is extremely high flow and has been well tested in single turbo applications. It's not going to be a restriction. There is nothing wrong with what you're doing its just going to eventually make a big mess IMHO.

Mike

I've been running VTA for a while. It'll drop a lot of oil & Rob will end up dropping a tube down the rear of the engine or continue to clean his engine bay :P

It's not -that- bad, though.

Ofmalik · 01-13-2015, 12:02 AM

Wow, this is unbelievable. Kudos Rob!

robc1976 · 01-13-2015, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ofmalik

Wow, this is unbelievable. Kudos Rob!

It needed to be done

robc1976 · 01-13-2015, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by uniter

I've been running VTA for a while. It'll drop a lot of oil & Rob will end up dropping a tube down the rear of the engine or continue to clean his engine bay :P

It's not -that- bad, though.

I was thinking if running the filter down to the undertray but that would make make it pool oil more. I may build a shield.

MMMCOOKIES55 · 01-13-2015, 08:31 AM

I hope you realize how much my wife hates you haha. I bought RB's after seeing your DIY on doing RB's. I was like "Shit a DIY, I can do this!" with a shit ton of beers later. Now after seeing this DIY, I am so tempted to Move up! Great job as usual Rob, your a massive positive to this forum and community, a lot of us would not be near as informed without you.

robc1976 · 01-13-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MMMCOOKIES335...

I hope you realize how much my wife hates you haha. I bought RB's after seeing your DIY on doing RB's. I was like "Shit a DIY, I can do this!" with a shit ton of beers later. Now after seeing this DIY, I am so tempted to Move up! Great job as usual Rob, your a massive positive to this forum and community, a lot of us would not be near as informed without you.

that means a lot, thank you

robc1976 · 01-13-2015, 12:25 PM

Just to clarify, motiv also run VTA

DMafia46 · 01-13-2015, 01:37 PM

Im sitting in the studio waiting for a videoooo. Or even a sound clip

robc1976 · 01-13-2015, 01:44 PM

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Im sitting in the studio waiting for a videoooo. Or even a sound clip

I have a small clip I will upload, I talked to damn much in clip though LOL!!!

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