[derrick603]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

derrick603 Does that help answer your question?

Looks great, but I only have a humble stage 1 car.

[mike082802]

how much boost is that log showing 20 something?

[n54door]

Very nice work, Wedge! Looking forward to testing this map in the very near future.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by mike082802

how much boost is that log showing 20 something?

On my car it's making just over 21 but doesn't exceed 22. I'll end up pulling about 1 psi out of the map through mid range.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by BigHoncho

The MHD OTS maps are not as matured as the Cobb OTS maps, I think that's common sense.

It is clear from the above that you haven't custom tuned an N54 using ATR or TunerPro. The Cobb maps are an excellent start, however the map content has been publicly available for years so the other OTS maps by definition are at least as mature as Cobb (they served as the base for nearly everyone's tunes; we used what worked and tossed what didn't). Anything that would work well has already been absorbed into common techniques in base maps on all platforms (BB, MHD, Etc.).

MHD is awesome as a platform, flexibility, and has active development. Mapping performance is really just a function of who is doing the tuning.

[BigHoncho]

Originally Posted by The Ghost

It is clear from the above that you haven't custom tuned an N54 using ATR or TunerPro. The Cobb maps are an excellent start, however the map content has been publicly available for years so the other OTS maps by definition are at least as mature as Cobb (they served as the base for nearly everyone's tunes; we used what worked and tossed what didn't). Anything that would work well has already been absorbed into common techniques in base maps on all platforms (BB, MHD, Etc.).

MHD is awesome as a platform, flexibility, and has active development. Mapping performance is really just a function of who is doing the tuning.

I have a PTF tuned Cobb map that still gets tweaked (FBO on RON 94). Right now I get 15.5psi@6000rpm / 15psi@6500rpm / 14psi@6800rpm in 4th gear and 17psi@6000rpm in 5th gear (AT). But as you know the PTF maps are closed so I can't comment on specific settings.

So could MHD maps yield more boost into the higher rpm range?

If MHD is using the same base as BB/TunerPro etc does, than there won't be much difference in performance right now? That means all OTS maps, no matter of the plattform, are more or less equal, unless there is further development und customizing?

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by BigHoncho

I have a PTF tuned Cobb map that still gets tweaked (FBO on RON 94). Right now I get 15.5psi@6000rpm / 15psi@6500rpm / 14psi@6800rpm in 4th gear and 17psi@6000rpm in 5th gear (AT). But as you know the PTF maps are closed so I can't comment on specific settings.

So could MHD maps yield more boost into the higher rpm range?

If MHD is using the same base as BB/TunerPro etc does, than there won't be much difference in performance right now? That means all OTS maps, no matter of the plattform, are more or less equal, unless there is further development und customizing?

I think you're very confused. MHD, COBB, BB Flash are all delivery systems. COBB and MHD are much more advanced with regard to check-sums and the ability to provide increased ceilings for boost and torque.

MHD is not limited by ATR/ATP tables. The XDF files we released currently have more tables than ATR/ATP which provide MHD a big advantage because it's not limited and the XDFs will continue to expand as new tables are released.

BB is not even a contender at this point due to the fact it's unstable and doesn't perform check-sum calculations for torque ceiling increase. For all intensive purposes, only those who use it for back end flash for JB4 would consider using this app at this time.

If you want to make a comparison for BB, OFT would be a good one to compare as it's not able to calculate check-sums for torque ceiling increase also.

So, to answer you question regarding more boost with MHD. NO... That is not up to the application, it is a hardware limitation with WGDC, inlet, turbo... and is more dependent on tuning.

Again, they are applications used to deliver a re-map of the DME. So MHD and COBB are on the same level with flashing, but MHD has the advantage due to our ability to manage knock sensors now which help eliminate false knock and post shift timing issues. MHD is also expanding functionality to exceed COBB with adaptations, data logging and much more.

Hope that helps with clarification. Grüße

[n54door]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

I think you're very confused. MHD, COBB, BB Flash are all delivery systems. COBB and MHD are much more advanced with regard to check-sums and the ability to provide increased ceilings for boost and torque.

MHD is not limited by ATR/ATP tables. The XDF files we released currently have more tables than ATR/ATP which provide MHD a big advantage because it's not limited and the XDFs will continue to expand as new tables are released.

BB is not even a contender at this point due to the fact it's unstable and doesn't perform check-sum calculations for torque ceiling increase. For all intensive purposes, only those who use it for back end flash for JB4 would consider using this app at this time.

If you want to make a comparison for BB, OFT would be a good one to compare as it's not able to calculate check-sums for torque ceiling increase also.

So, to answer you question regarding more boost with MHD. NO... That is not up to the application, it is a hardware limitation with WGDC, inlet, turbo... and is more dependent on tuning.

Again, they are applications used to deliver a re-map of the DME. So MHD and COBB are on the same level with flashing, but MHD has the advantage due to our ability to manage knock sensors now which help eliminate false knock and post shift timing issues. MHD is also expanding functionality to exceed COBB with adaptations, data logging and much more.

Hope that helps with clarification. Grüße

yep!

[BigHoncho]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

I think you're very confused. MHD, COBB, BB Flash are all delivery systems. COBB and MHD are much more advanced with regard to check-sums and the ability to provide increased ceilings for boost and torque.

MHD is not limited by ATR/ATP tables. The XDF files we released currently have more tables than ATR/ATP which provide MHD a big advantage because it's not limited and the XDFs will continue to expand as new tables are released.

BB is not even a contender at this point due to the fact it's unstable and doesn't perform check-sum calculations for torque ceiling increase. For all intensive purposes, only those who use it for back end flash for JB4 would consider using this app at this time.

If you want to make a comparison for BB, OFT would be a good one to compare as it's not able to calculate check-sums for torque ceiling increase also.

So, to answer you question regarding more boost with MHD. NO... That is not up to the application, it is a hardware limitation with WGDC, inlet, turbo... and is more dependent on tuning.

Again, they are applications used to deliver a re-map of the DME. So MHD and COBB are on the same level with flashing, but MHD has the advantage due to our ability to manage knock sensors now which help eliminate false knock and post shift timing issues. MHD is also expanding functionality to exceed COBB with adaptations, data logging and much more.

Hope that helps with clarification. Grüße

Well, I'm not as confused as you might think – maybe it's more because I didn't make myself clear.

However I'll came back to my initial question: If a car is FBO and on pumpe gas, like most of the community are, would it make any difference to use Cobb or MHD powerwise right now (both customized)?

Also: Maybe you already answered on that, but does MHD also utilize same sort of "race code" to exceed the boost range? And will we get the readiness status via ODB for passing the emission test with catless downpipes (which would be a real USP!)?

[csu87]

Originally Posted by BigHoncho

Well, I'm not as confused as you might think – maybe it's more because I didn't make myself clear.

However I'll came back to my initial question: If a car is FBO and on pumpe gas, like most of the community are, would it make any difference to use Cobb or MHD powerwise right now (both customized)?

Also: Maybe you already answered on that, but does MHD also utilize same sort of "race code" to exceed the boost range? And will we get the readiness status via ODB for passing the emission test with catless downpipes?

If you load the exact same map using COBB or MHD, no there will not be any power difference. If you currently have COBB and are happy with where you are at and dont plan on getting a new tune, then going to MHD wont do anything for you except for add some money to your wallet if you are able to sell the COBB.

The difference is with the new advancements of the MHD, you are able to get better maps to load. Power increase, hard to say. Drive-ability, probably. If you are wanting to boost more, which isnt the deciding factor for power btw, then whichever you decide to go with, tell your tuner to up the boost if he can.

As far as readiness, nope.

[Lambobimmer]

I might just be out of touch, have other things to do, lazy or just don't want to learn but someone explain to me why I should learn to tune my own car. I find that it is much easier to give Wedge or PTF some money for them to tune my car for me because they have tuned the N54 platform much more than anyone else and can get my car to were I want it to be much easier than I can.

I am a financial advisor and I see clients try to invest and plan for retirement on their own and most people generally have no idea what they are doing. Not allowing clients to make bad decisions is half of my job and that concept seems to relate to tuning my car. I could probably learn how to do it, but it would take a lot of time that I could use on something else, like making money, and leave the tuning to the professionals. I will probably get criticized for this post but I would be interested in hearing why I should tune my own car.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by Lambobimmer

I might just be out of touch, have other things to do, lazy or just don't want to learn but someone explain to me why I should learn to tune my own car. I find that it is much easier to give Wedge or PTF some money for them to tune my car for me because they have tuned the N54 platform much more than anyone else and can get my car to were I want it to be much easier than I can.

I am a financial advisor and I see clients try to invest and plan for retirement on their own and most people generally have no idea what they are doing. Not allowing clients to make bad decisions is half of my job and that concept seems to relate to tuning my car. I could probably learn how to do it, but it would take a lot of time that I could use on something else, like making money, and leave the tuning to the professionals. I will probably get criticized for this post but I would be interested in hearing why I should tune my own car.

Some people like to diy, some dont. I used a financial advisor for years while I was learning the ins and out of the financial world. Now I use what I learned, and the tips and tricks my advisor gave me, and can do it myself.
Same with tuning for me. I have done basically the same thing but dont make near as many risks as I do in the financial world, because I am still trying to learn this platform. And losing my $30k car scares me more than losing my 6 figure portfolio for some reason

[Lambobimmer]

I like to DIY too and I am very good at unbolting and bolting parts. The tuning process seems to be way over my head, so I haven't even tried and I don't think that I will start now. I feel safer letting someone else handle it.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by BigHoncho

Well, I'm not as confused as you might think – maybe it's more because I didn't make myself clear.

However I'll came back to my initial question: If a car is FBO and on pumpe gas, like most of the community are, would it make any difference to use Cobb or MHD powerwise right now (both customized)?

Also: Maybe you already answered on that, but does MHD also utilize same sort of "race code" to exceed the boost range? And will we get the readiness status via ODB for passing the emission test with catless downpipes (which would be a real USP!)?

Maybe not confused, more like uninformed, but that can be resolved with explanation. As explained prior, there really is no difference between the two if mapped the same. The advantage today is we can reduce the knock sensor to fix the issues with false knock. No more post shift timing issues with IJE0S. With COBB, you can't do that today. Boost and Torque ceilings can be raised with I8A0S and IJE0S just like COBB. We have spoke about ready state, but at this time MHD only reports ready state. COBB does not... So as much as you like your COBB, MHD is better in my opinion..

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

Maybe not confused, more like uninformed, but that can be resolved with explanation. As explained prior, there really is no difference between the two if mapped the same. The advantage today is we can reduce the knock sensor to fix the issues with false knock. No more post shift timing issues with IJE0S. With COBB, you can't do that today. Boost and Torque ceilings can be raised with I8A0S and IJE0S just like COBB. We have spoke about ready state, but at this time MHD only reports ready state. COBB does not... So as much as you like your COBB, MHD is better in my opinion..

Only hidden Cobb maps have the higher boost limit. And the seller of the map can sell his OTS map for an uninformed customer who is not able to finetune it from there since the map is hidden. So Cobb ATR is fine (18psi limit though) since you know what you are running. Move to MHD if you need more psi & power.

[X.X.I.V]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

Convert the OFT to BRZ/FRS and sell it.

Yes I just did this and sold it for $450!!!!!
I'm just waiting for my cable to come in tomorrow

[idratherbesurfing]

Originally Posted by WedgePerformance

So as much as you like your COBB, MHD is better in my opinion..

My issues with switching is having some type of launch control or 2 step. I'm into drag racing I don't care if the car wasn't made for that ...its what's happening lol. So will you guys try to support those functions? I have the Cobb now and if I switch it's going to be something with LC/2step

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

My issues with switching is having some type of launch control or 2 step. I'm into drag racing I don't care if the car wasn't made for that ...its what's happening lol. So will you guys try to support those functions? I have the Cobb now and if I switch it's going to be something with LC/2step

Well there are multiple options, I wouldn't limit yourself to a integrated solution.

Nice thing about MHD, it will continue to grow. It already has an advantage over the competition.

[WedgePerformance]

Originally Posted by X.X.I.V

Yes I just did this and sold it for $450!!!!!
I'm just waiting for my cable to come in tomorrow

Nice... If anyone hits you up looking for another, I have a new one in the box never been used.