[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

You and I both know that it is absolute bullshit to even imply that this car is 1 second slower around the 'ring than a 458 Italia. It is not possible. If it was possible, you can bet that Alfa would have videoed something that would catapult them to the front of modern vehicle design. There is no video because it didn't happen. I think my Converse are quite safe on my feet.

The driver is the difference, 458 did 7.29 but drived by a journalist

Anyway to offcially release the video you need to have the track reserved... and that's not happened yet.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Review from AutoItalia

[David70]

I think they will have serious issues with the huge part of the U.S. population that doesn't know anything about the company (ask a 25-40 year old woman if they would prefer to drive a BMW or a Alfa Romeo and see how many have any idea what an Alfa Romeo is) and then for the people that do it has a negative connotation or at least is known for being unreliable.

As a car enthusiast I won't be one of the first to give it a try, warranty or not taking your car to get fixed and dealing with the problems isn't fun. If after a couple of years it proves to have decent reliability then I might.

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by AlexR6

The driver is the difference, 458 did 7.29 but drived by a journalist

Anyway to offcially release the video you need to have the track reserved... and that's not happened yet.

So now you're saying that the QV went 13 seconds faster than an M4, 1 second slower than a 458 (driven by Sport Auto, not 'some journalist') on the 'ring in traffic?

[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

So now you're saying that the QV went 13 seconds faster than an M4, 1 second slower than a 458 (driven by Sport Auto, not 'some journalist') on the 'ring in traffic?

Absolutely not.... there are days reserved for OEMs where you can drive without finding any traffic but still the track it is not reserved!

And... who was driving for Sport Auto? If it was not a journalist, was the magazine itself behind the steering wheel?

[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

You will never see that footage because if Alfa managed that time it was with a vehicle homologated for the 24hrs of Nürburgring. More likely it is a 'constructed' time. If anyone is able to get a stock version of this car around the Norschliefe in 7:39s, I will eat my shoe on YouTube. The fact that anyone believes such incredible bullshit is proof positive that we're living in the end of the golden age of driving.

Sooooooo... ready to eat shoes?

Oh... maybe you should also admit that you don't know anything about cars... this is not a 7.39... this is 7.31.98

[larryn]

Originally Posted by AlexR6

Sooooooo... ready to eat shoes?

Oh... maybe you should also admit that you don't know anything about cars... this is not a 7.39... this is 7.31.98

"stock version of this car"...

[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by larryn

"stock version of this car"...

It was stock with OE tyres!

You can say whatever you want... This car is way way faster than an M3

[larryn]

Originally Posted by AlexR6

It was stock with OE tyres!

You can say whatever you want... This car is way way faster than an M3

It can definitely go faster without the top speed limiter that the BMWs have, but I seriously doubt a similar, but heavier car will destroy an M3 by more than 20 seconds on the Ring. I don't believe it was stock. Where is the proof?

[ciaranob]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Review from AutoItalia

The specs/tech on this car are no doubt very impressive and for many reason enough to want to own one but I just can't get past the styling - truly do not like it - the front facia design just looks wrong to me and the side view is frankly kind of boring. Entirely personal opinion!

[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by larryn

It can definitely go faster without the top speed limiter that the BMWs have, but I seriously doubt a similar, but heavier car will destroy an M3 by more than 20 seconds on the Ring. I don't believe it was stock. Where is the proof?

The only way to be 100% sure is buying both car and test them yourself!
Otherwise there is no proof for Alfa as well as for BMW, Porsche, etc...
I could say I'm sure because I know it... But you wouldn't believe me because you don't want to...

Anyway I drived them both and the Giulia is much faster, this is for sure!
Then you can discuss about the quality of the interior, reliability, aftersale support....

[imserious]

Originally Posted by ciaranob

The specs/tech on this car are no doubt very impressive and for many reason enough to want to own one but I just can't get past the styling - truly do not like it - the front facia design just looks wrong to me and the side view is frankly kind of boring. Entirely personal opinion!

Agreed. This car would excite me if it wasn't ugly.

Calling it an "alfa" doesn't give you the license to create something ugly and then expect people to fall in love with it because it's italian.

The 4C designers should have worked on the giulia and the giulia engine tuners should have worked on the 4C.

[Outlaw 06]

It's a nice looking car with a proper RWD layout, but I prefer high revving naturally aspirated engines so they lost me at "twin-turbo V-6" (before responding that BMW has gone 100% turbo, I'll reiterate that I despised the N54 in my E90 335i and I don't like the N20 in my F30 328i either).

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Outlaw 06

It's a nice looking car with a proper RWD layout, but I prefer high revving naturally aspirated engines so they lost me at "twin-turbo V-6" (before responding that BMW has gone 100% turbo, I'll reiterate that I despised the N54 in my E90 335i and I don't like the N20 in my F30 328i either).

So just to recap:
[img]https://theartofmindbending.files.wo...ff-my-lawn.jpg[/img]

And it's not just BMW, but every European player in the entry luxury car range that's gone to all turbos all time.

[Jashley73]

Man, that interior, especially in the "luxury" trim is gorgeous!

[Desmo85]

Originally Posted by AlexR6

Sooooooo... ready to eat shoes?

Oh... maybe you should also admit that you don't know anything about cars... this is not a 7.39... this is 7.31.98

Still slower than the M4 GTS with the same power to weight ratio

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by AlexR6

Sooooooo... ready to eat shoes?

Oh... maybe you should also admit that you don't know anything about cars... this is not a 7.39... this is 7.31.98

Yep this one. Deep bow to mr Francia for having (almost) bigger balls than Stefan Roser

Cheers
Robin

[J.M]

Would buy this any day of the week over an M3. Even if it would be slower, which it isn't. But hey, I'm an Alfa guy

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by J.M

Would buy this any day of the week over an M3. Even if it would be slower, which it isn't. But hey, I'm an Alfa guy

You're an Alfa Male

I'm probably an Alfista and a Ferrarista(no doubt) but only the historical(rwd) cars. And Alfetta/Giulietta,75 America/Turbo etc.

If there wasn't ALFA Romeo there wouldn't have been Ferrari so to speak. Enzo worked(pre war) for ALFA as an engineer.

A great brand and I'm happy to see them coming back with rwd platforms!

Cheers
Robin

[AlexR6]

Originally Posted by Desmo85

Still slower than the M4 GTS with the same power to weight ratio

Very good comment... if you are 5 years old!!!

M4 GTS is a track oriented car in limited edition and costs more than twice!

[Outlaw 06]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

So just to recap:
[img]https://theartofmindbending.files.wo...ff-my-lawn.jpg[/img]

And it's not just BMW, but every European player in the entry luxury car range that's gone to all turbos all time.

Many seem to be willing dupes in the automotive industry’s relentless “turbocharged horsepower is better” advertising (a.k.a. propaganda) campaigns. Like all relentless propaganda, it’s directed at the masses using all types of media (and is not intended to sway critical thinkers).

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by Outlaw 06

Many seem to be willing dupes in the automotive industry’s relentless “turbocharged horsepower is better” advertising (a.k.a. propaganda) campaigns. Like all relentless propaganda, it’s directed at the masses using all types of media (and is not intended to sway critical thinkers).

What's wrong with boost? I love my boosted DD.