[overcoil]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

LOL, did you even read that poorly written article? It mentioned one thing "Trump" has done, and it was also backed by a lot of senators and the Civil Liberties Union because the description of "Mental Illness" was poorly defined and would lead to less people getting help for mental illnesses they may have.

Why is the article poorly written?
It states trump has been wishy washy on legislation concerning guns.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by are0lies

No need to apologize. Hell, you merely stated your opinion, and you know that sayin about opinions. Where it becomes wrong is when insults come into play (not necessarily you), because then that insult merely states that I no longer have a rational argument to counter you, and I need to drag you down so that I can feel smarter. I may not like your opinion, but you have a legitimate right to it. Once again, don't apologize for what you believe in, just justify a little clearer. You're good. And it's always great to hear outside views of how we crazy Americans conduct business, because, even I, often do not understand it.

Honestly, i stand my ground when the issue is one i need to defend, but in this, i have to admit my errors. On the politics side one poster mentioned Isis connection, i googled, and all the sources shown then were bad. My intention was good, i wanted to point out how outlets uses horrible things against us.

If we could in the politics thread have a reasonable talk about guns, that would be epic, but it should be done at a time when it is not as red hot topic as it is now.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

He either modified his weapons or had a bump stock. No way he was shooting like that otherwise. It took time and planning. And we need to see motivation before conclusions. Bottomline hes an ass the world is better without, but its a shame he didnt just off himself and had to hurt all those people first. Coward and a true loser.

I think i said this on my first post in this or on the politics side thread.

[Vigilante375]

First off, this is the kind of stuff that never needs to happen to innocent people. Things like this just make me sick. People are just trying to have a good time and some low life decides to ruin it. Then kill himself so he doesn't have to face reality. My thoughts are with everyone that had to go through this and those that will never see their families again.

To those wanting more strict gun laws...I do agree but that will NEVER stop things like this from ever happening. Why? Look at this way. There are a lot of drugs that are illegal but guess what? People still sell, use and make them in the US.

Its that fine line of what will work vs what won't. A weapon in anyone's hands will be deadly, whether they kill 1 person or hundreds.

It does sound like a form of automatic weapon (but can't be with the few rounds that were fired) or modded weapon to fire "full" auto but we will have to wait and see what information is released.

And yes, ISIS will ALWAYS declare they were responsible for any attack. That is the way all those groups work. A helicopter crashes at Ft Hood....they'll say they were behind it.

[schoy]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

LOL, did you even read that poorly written article? It mentioned one thing "Trump" has done, and it was also backed by a lot of senators and the Civil Liberties Union because the description of "Mental Illness" was poorly defined and would lead to less people getting help for mental illnesses they may have.

How did it lead to less people getting help for mental illnesses? Genuine question; I'm not that familiar with Obama's resolution. All I know is that we've been talking for a long time that mentally ill people should not be getting guns. That the problem wasn't the guns but the people. So Obama tried to implement a stopgap measure (resolution, as opposed to legislation) to tie mental health history to gun purchases. Was it perfect? No. Was it overbroad? Probably. But it was better than nothing, as a temporary measure.

Trump erased it, but never pushed for something better conceived. He's going to face this question now (as well as his pro-NRA stance during his campaign), which is going to temporarily push his tax reform bill to back-burner.

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Except this POS coward killed himself before the cops got to him.

Really that's much better than more taxpayer money spent on trials and incarceration and the families knowing he is still alive. If we had a system where torture leading to death could be implemented then it would have been fine if he was caught alive....but we don't and this way there is closure as far as this shitbag from hell.

[TrevorM3]

so it's 58 people dead now? can anyone confirm

[fravel]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Why is the article poorly written?

Because it's misleading.

Originally Posted by schoy

How did it lead to less people getting help for mental illnesses? Genuine question; I'm not that familiar with Obama's resolution. All I know is that we've been talking for a long time that mentally ill people should not be getting guns. That the problem wasn't the guns but the people. So Obama tried to implement a stopgap measure (resolution, as opposed to legislation) to tie mental health history to gun purchases. Was it perfect? No. Was it overbroad? Probably. But it was better than nothing, as a temporary measure.

Trump erased it, but never pushed for something better conceived. He's going to face this question now (as well as his pro-NRA stance during his campaign), which is going to temporarily push his tax reform bill to back-burner.

The problem is that Obama's resolution had nothing to do with people who were actually mentally ill. It targeted people who simply had a fiscal adviser assigned to them for help with managing social security benefits.

Hell, even the ACLU opposed it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.57056b49b28c

[Calvin36]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Not sure if this has been discussed but this woman may be crazy. I wouldn't wish that tragedy on anyone including animals.

CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because they were 'probably Republicans' - Fox News
https://apple.news/AxFzpcRXCRUau9tJw0zydzA

What the flying fuck. It is never called for to have people hurt because they don't see eye to eye with you.

[ASAP]

what if what if what if?????


He instead drove a truck into the crowd...

Terrible tragedy but common sense is a miss as always.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what if what if what if?????


He instead drove a truck into the crowd...

Terrible tragedy but common sense is a miss as always.

yup, honestly I am more scared of bombs, there is no warning/escaping/chances when there is a bomb

[are0lies]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what if what if what if?????


He instead drove a truck into the crowd...

Terrible tragedy but common sense is a miss as always.

Worse so, he could have easily flown one of his planes into the venue. Either way, the guy flipped for whatever reason.

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by fravel

Because it's misleading.



The problem is that Obama's resolution had nothing to do with people who were actually mentally ill. It targeted people who simply had a fiscal adviser assigned to them for help with managing social security benefits.

Hell, even the ACLU opposed it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.57056b49b28c

If you need a fiscal adviser because of psychiatric disability - I'm fine with that person not being able to own a gun.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

If you need a fiscal adviser because of psychiatric disability - I'm fine with that person not being able to own a gun.

Originally Posted by Washington Post

The mental health conditions in question might range from moderate intellectual disabilities to depression, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. Based on one person’s judgment call, arrangements are made to have the government’s check sent to a representative payee.

Yes, let's give unilateral power to skip due process and infringe on the Bill of Rights to any activist .gov examiner. What could go wrong?

[JIMT8292]

According to various people on CNN today America must learn lessons from this.

They must be very slow learners as I'm sure I've heard this before many times.

Nothing will change.

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by fravel

Yes, let's give unilateral power to skip due process and infringe on the Bill of Rights to any activist .gov examiner. What could go wrong?

Collective Rights Theory

[Captain Blood]

Strange turn here.
Not a fan of Kristy Alley anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...-shooters.html

[dreamingat30fps]

I wonder how much of this is monkey see monkey do. I mean it's not like the US just got guns yesterday. It feels as if though these mass shootings have become the "it" thing to do among the mentally unstable lately. I think its because of all the media coverage they get and how oversaturated people are with media these days.

I don't watch the news, ever. However I still find out about all this stuff because it pops up on facebook, twitter, my phone etc. Then you have all the bogus news clickbait crap claiming Obama kills puppies and Trump clubs baby seals and people believe this crap.

[pgviper]

These are disgusting comments! She deserves to be fired for that one.

http://freebeacon.com/culture/cbs-ex...egas-shooting/

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Real Dodger

Strange turn here.
Not a fan of Kristy Alley anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...-shooters.html

Go watch the Leah Rimini show on A&E. Those people are nuts!!!

[GeorgeA]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

so it's 58 people dead now? can anyone confirm

Yes, 58 confirmed and 515 people wounded.

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by Lups

Honestly, i stand my ground when the issue is one i need to defend, but in this, i have to admit my errors. On the politics side one poster mentioned Isis connection, i googled, and all the sources shown then were bad. My intention was good, i wanted to point out how outlets uses horrible things against us.

If we could in the politics thread have a reasonable talk about guns, that would be epic, but it should be done at a time when it is not as red hot topic as it is now.

That's why I like you, NO, respect you Anna, you tell it like you see it, you back it up but you are also humble enough to know that you do not know everything and are willing to see all sides.

I have said this before and I really am not expecting anyone to read this far down as I think sometimes we all just want to spout about instead of reading what others have to say, but this planet we live on has never been experienced before, it's a learning process. We have nothing to go by except for things that have happened a few years ago. Man/woman has never done any of this before and it's the first time it has ever been the year 2017 with the technology that we have. We may never get it right, I don't pretend to think that man/woman ever will. And that is the saddest truth of all.