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      09-11-2021, 08:17 PM   #89
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AFR should be 14.7 even with MHD 2+

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Can you share your idle log
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I just took a screen recording of my idle I can post if necessary. It was idling fine, no clue why I decided to screen record and not log. Ill see if I can get a log of it idling normally and when it does the oscillation tomorrow.
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      09-11-2021, 09:30 PM   #90
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I think that has something to do with msd80 vs 81 because 81 monitors 02's much more accurately. I think the lack of removing that 02 check as part of the mhd catless tune has to do more with it at the end of the day.
This was my thoughts aswell with dme's. It was talked about earlier in this thread msd81 also does the same so its not the issue.
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      09-12-2021, 02:30 AM   #91
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Just wondering is this tune tweak involves deactivating rear O2 sensors?
Cause I have heard a lot against it as they also function to trim primary O2 readings
Car Abuser, if you could shed some light on rear O2s status would be great.

For those who have this issue and say idle is fine, if you listen carefully to the idle you will notice the idle tone changes sometimes. Not a misfire or rough idle but once you disconnect rear O2s and afrs stabilise around 14.7 then you see how smoother the idle becomes.

Also I noticed excessive soot on my O2 sensors and exhaust pipes which likely linked to this issue.
If anyone noticed the same please confirm.
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      09-12-2021, 03:54 AM   #92
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Car Abuser, if you could shed some light on rear O2s status would be great.

For those who have this issue and say idle is fine, if you listen carefully to the idle you will notice the idle tone changes sometimes. Not a misfire or rough idle but once you disconnect rear O2s and afrs stabilise around 14.7 then you see how smoother the idle becomes.

Also I noticed excessive soot on my O2 sensors and exhaust pipes which likely linked to this issue.
If anyone noticed the same please confirm.
No change to O2 sensor functionality, currently I have just set the fuel bias during catalyst test to 0 so that the routine is still running but it doesn't mess with my AFR.

My OCD isn't happy with that but BMW purposely made it difficult to disable the catalyst diagnostic routine so a logic change might be required. It might be easier to alter the test criteria so that the diagnostic routine passes and the loop stops.
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No change to O2 sensor functionality, currently I have just set the fuel bias during catalyst test to 0 so that the routine is still running but it doesn't mess with my AFR.

My OCD isn't happy with that but BMW purposely made it difficult to disable the catalyst diagnostic routine so a logic change might be required. It might be easier to alter the test criteria so that the diagnostic routine passes and the loop stops.
Thanks a lot.
Now gotta find a tuner which can understand these and be bothered to apply in their tune!
Usually more power is their main agenda to attract customers...
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No change to O2 sensor functionality, currently I have just set the fuel bias during catalyst test to 0 so that the routine is still running but it doesn't mess with my AFR.

My OCD isn't happy with that but BMW purposely made it difficult to disable the catalyst diagnostic routine so a logic change might be required. It might be easier to alter the test criteria so that the diagnostic routine passes and the loop stops.
Birring this thread back because I have been trying to sort this issue for years now. My AFR's ping to 17, and also 12 randomly, and I have always thought it was due to CAT readiness testing.

CarAbuser, what was the name of the parameter you changed? Is it in the public XDF? I would literally pay for you to show me lol
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Birring this thread back because I have been trying to sort this issue for years now. My AFR's ping to 17, and also 12 randomly, and I have always thought it was due to CAT readiness testing.

CarAbuser, what was the name of the parameter you changed? Is it in the public XDF? I would literally pay for you to show me lol
Not in public XDF but there's a discussion on it over on the spool street forums.
You'll have to google your way there, the thread title is "Readiness - Catalyst".
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Not in public XDF but there's a discussion on it over on the spool street forums.
You'll have to google your way there, the thread title is "Readiness - Catalyst".
looks like theres only public information on how to fix this in I8A0S files. Nothing for IJE0S
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looks like theres only public information on how to fix this in I8A0S files. Nothing for IJE0S
Post in that thread and request them. It's not hard to find the tables but nobody will bother unless you ask.
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Check with INPA if learning bits are set. In MSD80/81 main menue: F5/Shift+F6/F3 "Lernbits für Injektoren Balancing", Line 1,2,4 should be colored. If not the car will be not able reach a perfect idle / AFR ratio. Anyway in this case there is a reason for it.
As you mentioned your car AFR was perfect with rear O2's disconnected check the connection of midpipe to downpipe in cold start condition with soapy water for exhaust leaks. The N54 regulation is really sensitive.
Furthermore delete all adaptions (MSD80/81 main menue: F8/F2/Shift+F9 "MSD Adaptionene selektiv löschen"). This may solve some problems as well.
Besides this there are for sure lots of possiblities.

I'm having equal issues as well and going thru the whole process.
I had a gasket leak in bank 2 and above that maybe one of my injectors in bank 1 is bad (all Ind. 12, new spark plugs & coils, new wideband lambdas, bank 1 AFR always slightly behind bank 2 AFR when jumping to 234,95 / releasing the acc. pedal).

Inpa MSD80/81 loader version: 2.023. The sequence (Fx/ShiftFx/...) may be different with another version (Version is visible when in MSD80/81 main menue on top of the window).
I know that this thread is quite old, but for people coming from Google, as this is one of the top hits when you start searching for "n54 injector adaptations" - this is not true, the learning bits/lernbits apply to N43/N53 engines, not to N54. I think those bits mentioned by you are related to stratified charge mode present in those, but the N54 only operates in homogenous mode.
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