[funkdoc]

When Steve Dinan had me on the test drive to make sure the revised flash was working properly, the boost gauge read 12.8 psi max on several occasions. I'm guessing that there probably was a reduction in boost from the rev1 flash of 13.2 to rev2 like everyone is speculating and the addition of the dinan exhuast brought it back to the same levels as rev1. flash. w/o exhaust or close to it. The flash is very solid and stable but my cravings for more power may lead me to revert back to stock and go "piggy"!! too since the car is not my DD.

[Kelvin1000]

[QUOTE=funkdoc;3718430]the addition of the dinan exhuast brought it back to the same levels as rev1. flash. w/o exhaust or close to it.QUOTE]

Please elaborate on this!!!

How do you know that this is the case? The additional .4 to .5 PSI might be the 10whp we are missing acroos the top of the powerband!!!

[Wicked_SVT]

[QUOTE=Kelvin1000;3718580]

Originally Posted by funkdoc

the addition of the dinan exhuast brought it back to the same levels as rev1. flash. w/o exhaust or close to it.QUOTE]

Please elaborate on this!!!

How do you know that this is the case? The additional .4 to .5 PSI might be the 10whp we are missing acroos the top of the powerband!!!

This goes back to my original post. When Rev I was first released the press release said that you would get the 384hp with just the tune. When rev II was released, Dinan's website stated that the exhaust was needed to achieve the advertised 384hp. Bottom line is what I paid for and what I have now are two different things. I had 10 hp taken away without my knowledge or choice. Dinan should do something for the original rev I owners since they switched it on us. Don't get me wrong, I like the tune but I don't think I would ever purchase anything from Dinan again after this.

[canesr1]

[QUOTE=Wicked_SVT;3718684][QUOTE=Kelvin1000;3718580]

Bottom line is what I paid for and what I have now are two different things. I had 10 hp taken away without my knowledge or choice. Dinan should do something for the original rev I owners since they switched it on us. Don't get me wrong, I like the tune but I don't think I would ever purchase anything from Dinan again after this.[/QUOTE]

I'm right with you! The tune is good. Rev1 was was GREAT! Dinan should either give us some money or power back(i prefer power) or they should give us the exhaust at cost to make up the power difference!
If not, we should all band together and pressure the living snot out of them.
I have NO PROBLEM getting a lawyer involved if that's what it comes down to.

Maybe we can start a poll of which posters had the original stage 1 rev1 flash to see how many of us here were affected. We can then send an email to dinan or phone them to make them aware of the pending situation and see how THEY suggest to initially handle this.

[Kelvin1000]

[QUOTE=canesr1;3718747][QUOTE=Wicked_SVT;3718684]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

Bottom line is what I paid for and what I have now are two different things. I had 10 hp taken away without my knowledge or choice. Dinan should do something for the original rev I owners since they switched it on us. Don't get me wrong, I like the tune but I don't think I would ever purchase anything from Dinan again after this.[/QUOTE]

I'm right with you! The tune is good. Rev1 was was GREAT! Dinan should either give us some money or power back(i prefer power) or they should give us the exhaust at cost to make up the power difference!
If not, we should all band together and pressure the living snot out of them.
I have NO PROBLEM getting a lawyer involved if that's what it comes down to.

Maybe we can start a poll of which posters had the original stage 1 rev1 flash to see how many of us here were affected. We can then send an email to dinan or phone them to make them aware of the pending situation and see how THEY suggest to initially handle this.

An exhaust and the X-pipe which is not even out yet...

I prefer to have the option to go back to Rev. 1

I would consider that fair because they would not be giving me anything that I did not pay for. I don't want free stuff because I don't think that it is fair.

I just want the original tune back.

Something fair would be to continue to sell the current revision 2 to new customers but grandfather those of us who bought the original under the original press release assumptions.

[canesr1]

[QUOTE=Kelvin1000;3718815][QUOTE=canesr1;3718747]

Originally Posted by Wicked_SVT

An exhaust and the X-pipe which is not even out yet...

I prefer to have the option to go back to Rev. 1

I would consider that fair because they would not be giving me anything that I did not pay for. I don't want free stuff because I don't think that it is fair.

I just want the original tune back.

Something fair would be to continue to sell the current revision 2 to new customers but grandfather those of us who bought the original under the original press release assumptions.

I'm with you on that. That scenario would be perfect! What a concept... Actually getting(and keeping) what we paid for
we can only hope and wish though....

[Kelvin1000]

Please let me know what they say at Dinan after you speak with them.

Thanks

[QUOTE=canesr1;3718871][QUOTE=Kelvin1000;3718815]

Originally Posted by canesr1

I'm with you on that. That scenario would be perfect! What a concept... Actually getting(and keeping) what we paid for
we can only hope and wish though....

[Quisp]

Wow, this is craziness. First BMW detunes the car , now this. I have been noticing the acceleration power decliing. It jus doesnt have the pick up it used to when I first got Stage 2. I have not had it updated since then so it is not due ato a revision. Based on some of the posts it may be the fule pump on the way out. Since I got the flash in July 08 I probably have the rev 2 of the flash. That would clear some things up.
When I first got the flash I was somewhat disappointed. Dont get me wrong, I loved the additonal power, but it wasnt like the way it was described by p[eople on this forum. It just wasnt the rocket they had been talking about. Now I think I understand why. They had the Rev1 and I ended up with rev2. I do remember reading the brochure and it sepcifically stating that the boost would be increased to 13.2.
How do i determine what revision I have in my car?

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

From Kelvin's earlier post, it sounds like BMW was about to come down on Dinan unless they toned down the power with the revised flash. Personally, I'd rather have that relationship still exist than the extra 10hp. If I didn't care about that relationship, I would have just gotten a Procede.

+1, the vehicle is overpowered as it is, be lucky there is any warranty-backed tune at all, geesh.

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

+1, the vehicle is overpowered as it is, be lucky there is any warranty-backed tune at all, geesh.

Lucky? Come on dude. We payed GOOD money for this tune with a warranty. That's why most everyone goes with Dinan. If there was no warranty then I'm sure most of us would be with JB3 or vishnu.
Now take your ridiculous post somewhere else.
overpowered idiot.

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by Quisp

Wow, this is craziness. First BMW detunes the car , now this. I have been noticing the acceleration power decliing. It jus doesnt have the pick up it used to when I first got Stage 2. I have not had it updated since then so it is not due ato a revision. Based on some of the posts it may be the fule pump on the way out. Since I got the flash in July 08 I probably have the rev 2 of the flash. That would clear some things up.
When I first got the flash I was somewhat disappointed. Dont get me wrong, I loved the additonal power, but it wasnt like the way it was described by p[eople on this forum. It just wasnt the rocket they had been talking about. Now I think I understand why. They had the Rev1 and I ended up with rev2. I do remember reading the brochure and it sepcifically stating that the boost would be increased to 13.2.
How do i determine what revision I have in my car?

If you got in in july, then you have rev2. Rev 1 stopped being flashed sometime in march/april.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by canesr1

If you got in in july, then you have rev2. Rev 1 stopped being flashed sometime in march/april.

Canes have you contacted Dinan yet?

[vase330]

Originally Posted by funkdoc

When Steve Dinan had me on the test drive to make sure the revised flash was working properly, the boost gauge read 12.8 psi max on several occasions. I'm guessing that there probably was a reduction in boost from the rev1 flash of 13.2 to rev2 like everyone is speculating and the addition of the dinan exhuast brought it back to the same levels as rev1. flash. w/o exhaust or close to it. The flash is very solid and stable but my cravings for more power may lead me to revert back to stock and go "piggy"!! too since the car is not my DD.

You have plenty of company there. Funny we were the two guys who bitched about the detune originally and the whole saga of of being flashed back to stock. Since that saga, my faith in simple human goodness of Dinan was shaken. I know, I said and meant it too, that I appreciated the apology, but I decided in my own mind then, that I would probably have a lot of trouble buying anything Dinan if it cost a penny. As time went by, I have mixed feeling about Dinan and frankly BMW too. Now that the economy sucks, I am really hoping BMW gets bitten in the ass and is forced to treat their customers better. Dinan I wish them well, but hope they realize more power is what the masses want, and they are a little below the threshold where most feel more is unnecessary. With the flash's price, you start to loose customers fast. I am not expert in this, just thinking based on my personal reasoning, what might or might not motivate me.

I will be buying another high performance car in the future, but I doubt it will be a BMW at all. Competition has gotten good enough I can walk away from a company that doesn't always show the right level of appreciation for a customer who has bought 5 3 series BMWs in the last 15yrs. Anyhow, I like everyone else want more power. But I don't want 10hp, so I don't care what Dinan does, their next stage is just not economical. What to do? First I don't intend to have this vehicle past 50K miles. If I do, I am going to the piggy front-runners. If I should be convinced to buy a new 335i, I will go piggy back, unless they are diagnostically visible to some new BMW update.

You have to admit these guys have gotten very good. More power to them. With the fears proven to be largely unfounded, I think Dinan will loose a bunch to the more competitive piggy-backs.

[Quisp]

Ok, here is what the original release(dated December12, 2007) said about the stage 2 software:

Dinan Performance Engine Software increases turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. The results are nothing short of breathtaking, providing substantial increases in power output while maintaining the drivability and reliability of a stock BMW.
The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi, increasing power output to 384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft torque. With the full Dinan exhaust system (rear mufflers and middle-exhaust X-pipe) included, output is increased to 392hp and 429 lb-t torque. The top-speed governor has also been removed, allowing the car to reach its full potential.



Now this is the description under the Stage 2 Performance software upgrade on their site:

The Dinan Performance Engine Software safely increases turbo-boost pressure from the stock 8.8 to 13.0 psi, along with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. In fact, over 2000 engine management functions have been recalibrated, offering substantial increases in power output while maintaining the civility and reliability expected of a Dinan performance product.

The results of Dinan’s tuning are nothing short of breathtaking, with the added boost and related recalibration along with the Dinan Free Flow Exhaust producing maximum output of 384 horsepower at 5700 rpm and 421 lb-ft torque at 4300 rpm*.

*In order to qualify for Dinan’s matching new car warranty coverage, which includes consequential damages, the vehicle MUST be equipped with either a factory oil cooler (not all 335s were equipped from the factory with an oil cooler) or Dinan’s High Capacity Oil Cooler (recommended).

Looks like something is different.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Quisp

Ok, here is what the original release(dated December12, 2007) said about the stage 2 software:

Dinan Performance Engine Software increases turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. The results are nothing short of breathtaking, providing substantial increases in power output while maintaining the drivability and reliability of a stock BMW.
The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi, increasing power output to 384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft torque. With the full Dinan exhaust system (rear mufflers and middle-exhaust X-pipe) included, output is increased to 392hp and 429 lb-t torque. The top-speed governor has also been removed, allowing the car to reach its full potential.



Now this is the description under the Stage 2 Performance software upgrade on their site:

The Dinan Performance Engine Software safely increases turbo-boost pressure from the stock 8.8 to 13.0 psi, along with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. In fact, over 2000 engine management functions have been recalibrated, offering substantial increases in power output while maintaining the civility and reliability expected of a Dinan performance product.

The results of Dinan’s tuning are nothing short of breathtaking, with the added boost and related recalibration along with the Dinan Free Flow Exhaust producing maximum output of 384 horsepower at 5700 rpm and 421 lb-ft torque at 4300 rpm*.

*In order to qualify for Dinan’s matching new car warranty coverage, which includes consequential damages, the vehicle MUST be equipped with either a factory oil cooler (not all 335s were equipped from the factory with an oil cooler) or Dinan’s High Capacity Oil Cooler (recommended).

Looks like something is different.

well that is certainly different, but I would be surprised if your butt dyno could detect that small difference. I would be more interested to see a dynograph done same day, same car. Willing to bet the area under the curve is different too if people are claiming they can FEEL the difference. Those peak numbers are not too far apart.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by vase330

You have plenty of company there. Funny we were the two guys who bitched about the detune originally and the whole saga of of being flashed back to stock. Since that saga, my faith in simple human goodness of Dinan was shaken. I know, I said and meant it too, that I appreciated the apology, but I decided in my own mind then, that I would probably have a lot of trouble buying anything Dinan if it cost a penny. As time went by, I have mixed feeling about Dinan and frankly BMW too. Now that the economy sucks, I am really hoping BMW gets bitten in the ass and is forced to treat their customers better. Dinan I wish them well, but hope they realize more power is what the masses want, and they are a little below the threshold where most feel more is unnecessary. With the flash's price, you start to loose customers fast. I am not expert in this, just thinking based on my personal reasoning, what might or might not motivate me.

I will be buying another high performance car in the future, but I doubt it will be a BMW at all. Competition has gotten good enough I can walk away from a company that doesn't always show the right level of appreciation for a customer who has bought 5 3 series BMWs in the last 15yrs. Anyhow, I like everyone else want more power. But I don't want 10hp, so I don't care what Dinan does, their next stage is just not economical. What to do? First I don't intend to have this vehicle past 50K miles. If I do, I am going to the piggy front-runners. If I should be convinced to buy a new 335i, I will go piggy back, unless they are diagnostically visible to some new BMW update.

You have to admit these guys have gotten very good. More power to them. With the fears proven to be largely unfounded, I think Dinan will loose a bunch to the more competitive piggy-backs.

+ a lot

[M4TW]

My experience, at least, has been different.

I got the original flash and exhaust. I loved its mid-range wallop, but not the lack of throttle response and how the power quickly faded after 6000 rpm. It seemed that you had two settings - tame or insane. It was fun but not very drivable.

I went in later and got the FMIC and the revised Stage II and (after a few days to adapt) loved it, and have ever since. I enjoy the lively throttle response and fater torque curve. Unfortunately, I didn't have a boost gauge with the original flash but with this set-up, I saw 13.5 psi when it was hot (+85 F) and now about 12.5 since its been cold (35 F).

But I have taken my car to the track before and after and my ET's picked up 3-4 tenths and my trap's 2-3 mph with the new set-up.

My positive experience may have to do with the exhaust and FMIC because I was told that the flash asks if these are present when it installs, so maybe you get a better map - just not the full-blown Stage III. I do get far less fade after 6,000 rpm and it comes on earlier.

I also would like about 10 hp more, but not through more boost (or a piggyback) as I like the Dinan approach. I'd like to go to the full Stage III, but I don't want to spring for the upgraded oil cooler (which I don't really need), so I am waiting for the CAI (if it ever comes out).

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

My experience, at least, has been different.

I got the original flash and exhaust. I loved its mid-range wallop, but not the lack of throttle response and how the power quickly faded after 6000 rpm. It seemed that you had two settings - tame or insane. It was fun but not very drivable.

I went in later and got the FMIC and the revised Stage II and (after a few days to adapt) loved it, and have ever since. I enjoy the lively throttle response and fater torque curve. Unfortunately, I didn't have a boost gauge with the original flash but with this set-up, I saw 13.5 psi when it was hot (+85 F) and now about 12.5 since its been cold (35 F).

But I have taken my car to the track before and after and my ET's picked up 3-4 tenths and my trap's 2-3 mph with the new set-up.

My positive experience may have to do with the exhaust and FMIC because I was told that the flash asks if these are present when it installs, so maybe you get a better map - just not the full-blown Stage III. I do get far less fade after 6,000 rpm and it comes on earlier.

I also would like about 10 hp more, but not through more boost (or a piggyback) as I like the Dinan approach. I'd like to go to the full Stage III, but I don't want to spring for the upgraded oil cooler (which I don't really need), so I am waiting for the CAI (if it ever comes out).

Nice post. I have similar feelings as well regarding the newly configured throttle response.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

How did you get BMW to replace the fuel pump without it dying first???

My pump has not catastrophically failed..ever...but yet I have had three replacement HPFPs..I am on my fourth. All you have to do is have a long crank symptom.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by Orb

You are both in denial as you think that the 2nd generation pump is fine. The pump will fail sooner or later and leave your stranded on the side road. Your ignorance is your worst enemy. You’re not even close to being the first to having these problems and all have been resolved with either a new pump or spark plugs and the power increase and gas mileage improved drastically.

As the code is upgraded they use the same base code from BMW so all those safety protocols are left untouched for the most part. The newer flash will use 29.x base code and they will match the latest code every few months or they risk incompatibility with other sub system. The newer programming for BMW is more aggressive at cutting throttle and pulling back time and even short shifting auto just to preserver the engine when fuel demand is not being met. I am one of the few that have seen this first hand how drastic it can on race track…it cuts back power to a stand still and is fully controlled. BMW does not have choice in this. If they don’t take drastic steps to preserve the engine it can be written off in just a few seconds.

The problem is the BMW has screwed me and every 335i owner on this site with lack of response to fuel pump replacement. If you have tune you have no choice to replace the pump on your own dime or wait for the recall.

Orb

I cant see purchasing a 335i...leasing for three years is my max...I would go ballistic if all these pumps were replaced on my dime. Sorry to say..but if BMW doesnt figure this out..I am probably going back to Audi.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

I am working to try to get the original flash back...

I am gonna bet that you will never get Dinan to flash you back to rev 1. They are protecting themselves...and probably did something to dial back Stage 2 so their Stage 3 could be dialed back a bit. I live in between two Dinan locations..I am going to go down there soon to hear from Steve himself what the heck is really going on. I bought the Stage 2 tune..and currently do not have it installed since I have these friggin misfires/rough idle problems..I have also replaced some coilpacks/injectors and am on my FOURTH HPFP...I am really tired of this crap. I personally wouldnt mind a slightly detuned Stage 2 if I could get rid of the misfires/rough idle issues.

[funkdoc]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

My experience, at least, has been different.

I got the original flash and exhaust. I loved its mid-range wallop, but not the lack of throttle response and how the power quickly faded after 6000 rpm. It seemed that you had two settings - tame or insane. It was fun but not very drivable.

I went in later and got the FMIC and the revised Stage II and (after a few days to adapt) loved it, and have ever since. I enjoy the lively throttle response and fater torque curve. Unfortunately, I didn't have a boost gauge with the original flash but with this set-up, I saw 13.5 psi when it was hot (+85 F) and now about 12.5 since its been cold (35 F).

But I have taken my car to the track before and after and my ET's picked up 3-4 tenths and my trap's 2-3 mph with the new set-up.

My positive experience may have to do with the exhaust and FMIC because I was told that the flash asks if these are present when it installs, so maybe you get a better map - just not the full-blown Stage III. I do get far less fade after 6,000 rpm and it comes on earlier.

I also would like about 10 hp more, but not through more boost (or a piggyback) as I like the Dinan approach. I'd like to go to the full Stage III, but I don't want to spring for the upgraded oil cooler (which I don't really need), so I am waiting for the CAI (if it ever comes out).

I'm with you here. My car is a totally new car with Dinan fmic,exhaust,afe intake, and soon to be installed UR catted downpipes on top of the Dinan stage 2 where the lively throttle response was my favorite change in the 1st place. I believe that the richer afr and the Dinan-flashed parameters allow the ecu to compensate well to flow changes that ultimately lead to more power and torque(dyno-proofed already). How safe is it? Well, no cels or problems yet, just addicting rush and added turbo sounds. I think that adding all basic bolt-ons on top of a Dinan stage 2 can net an additional 30-40whp but at the cost of possibly having your warranty voided. Dinan had to dial the power down slightly to be Carb legal in all states especially in smog-hating Cali. Seems like while the other tuners are dedicated in this platform towards improving it's product, Dinan is at a standstill with the 335i. in terms of development of new products and enhancement of old ones. Oh well..