[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by pcmike

So what happens if you just left your house and took a 3mi route to the highway and when you got on the highway you came across someone you wanted to "race." When you started the car the learning was zeroed out so now you technically need to do 6-7s of WOT pulls to get the learning back up to snuff, right? Well if you just went 3mi not even going faster than 50mph there is no way you did 6-7s of WOT pulls before getting on the highway and coming across that opportunity to "race." So now you're car is essentially "not tuned" and not producing "the most hp possible" when you step on the gas to race this person for a few seconds.... right? What am I missing?

That's certainly an end of the world scenario. During those first few seconds on boost, you wont be any less tuned than you are now since learning will start from your current user adjustable settings. We are not talking about a huge difference here. "Untuned" is just a relative term. You'll still be better tuned than the next guy.

The other option is to make the last learned values persistent so that it starts up at the previous settings where you left off.

Shiv

[supradriver]

When will it be ready for release? What bout the recent beta maps you have released? Will they be available for everyone sometime soon?

[vase330]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

That's certainly an end of the world scenario. During those first few seconds on boost, you wont be any less tuned than you are now since learning will start from your current user adjustable settings. We are not talking about a huge difference here. "Untuned" is just a relative term. You'll still be better tuned than the next guy.

The other option is to make the last learned values persistent so that it starts up at the previous settings where you left off.

Shiv

Shiv that's exactly the behavior I think most people would prefer. Ok I would prefer, but I am sure there many lining up right behind me to vote that option.

[pcmike]

It's actually not an end of the world scenario for me... it would actually be my daily scenario if I actually got on the highway... if I didn't get on the highway I actually would never even see WOT... just saying.

Shiv, I actually just got a position at a place 2.5mi from my house so my daily commute is going to involve all 45mph roads. While it will be sweet in almost all respects, it doesn't exactly allow me to drive my car fast at all... I'll always be under 3,000 rpms. :P

[usc335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

...But ultimately, I think people need to take a few steps back and think about the value of switching maps just to run a high performance map when they could just be running the high performance map to begin with. If you're thing is to switch maps often, then you will naturally be sacrificing auto-tuning effects as each new map will require a little bit of learning time.

I, for one, would like to run a more conservative map most of the time (by conservative, I mean ~13.5-14.0 psi max) and switch to a more aggressive map at the double-click of a button.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

See above.

Chances are that you will turn off your car when you are filling back up with 91oct. If so, the learned ignition and boost offsets will zero out and you will be back to your standard ignition correction and user torque values.

Shiv

Alright, great. Would be nice to have some way of persisting this value like you indicated since at the track, the car gets turned off quite a bit (well, we could keep the ignition on I guess so procede doesn't lose power)...

[StartupJunkie]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Alright, great. Would be nice to have some way of persisting this value like you indicated since at the track, the car gets turned off quite a bit (well, we could keep the ignition on I guess so procede doesn't lose power)...

Or you can put the more aggressive map as your base map.

I know I will be, so auto-tune will probably be giving me that last 5% which is more environment based (ambient temp, maybe some bad gas ...).

Junk

[AltecBX]

Guys, think of Auto-Tuning as having an ice cold lemonade at all times while you're drinking it, even on a hot 100 degree day. It's not going to change that lemonade(auto-tune) to ice-tea(race map) because you can't go over 4K RPM, but it will keep it chilled and taste better until you finish your lemonade(car tuned off). Sort of like an unmelted ice for your refreshment.

Shiv question:
Once Auto-tune is implemented, can we go into the "User Adjustable Parameter" and see the value it changed after a few runs on the highway. If so, that's what most of us want to know. So when they get a chance to do a few runs on the street, they'll know what settings to set Map 1 and let auto-tune tweak the rest (5% or so). And do the same thing in a racing environment and set map 2 for those settings found and then let auto-tune tweak those settings as well.

[alextremo]

Originally Posted by mwahlert

"DME ignition advance target which we have internally mapped as a 16x16 RPM x Load table and subjected to IAT-induced trims"

how do you know what these definitive targets are?

is there a way that since we are no longer using the map switching input that it could instead be used as the meth activation output?

my ideal scenario - map 1 is my autotune no meth map, and using dtc button i can switch to map 2, which arms the meth system via an output from the procede... as opposed to having to arm or disarm the meth system with another control (ie, keyfob or hardwire switch).

will autotune work on top of progressive meth mapping?
as meth flow increases timing and boost are added in but autotune functions watch over to ensure the tune isn't too agressive and or at least meets the desired level of "aggression"?

ps: autotune is so sick and nasty amazing work.

+100!!!

That, and put meth flow as one of the values available for dash display!!!

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by supradriver

What bout the recent beta maps you have released? Will they be available for everyone sometime soon?

Wondering about this myself - sounds like these maps aren't going to go public.....but it would be nice to have the opton of trying them.

[IlChengis]

Holy moly, this is certainly helping people like me with their tune-related decision!

Shiv, while new software can always be flashed, I am always concerned about hardware revisions. Are there any projected hardware updates on the horizon for the PROcede? It would suck immensely if I buy the PROcede and a few months later a new hardware revision is put on the market (let's say, with microSD port for log storing and later analysis - I am just guessing)...

Thanks,

-Walter

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Treppiede

Holy moly, this is certainly helping people like me with their tune-related decision!

Shiv, while new software can always be flashed, I am always concerned about hardware revisions. Are there any projected hardware updates on the horizon for the PROcede? It would suck immensely if I buy the PROcede and a few months later a new hardware revision is put on the market (let's say, with microSD port for log storing and later analysis - I am just guessing)...

Thanks,

-Walter

shiv and his Aussie friend stated recently that no hardware updates that will require purchases will happen any time soon. the other tune i'm not sure can say that right now.

[StartupJunkie]

Hi Treppiede,

I would echo Sniz's comments too.

What I've noticed is that there are more analog channels free today vs. initial hardware launch since the Proceed is able to read more data channels (with increased frequency and accuracy) via the CANbus. In my mind, that provides more future-proofing.

So from a mods perspective, there are still more free channels even after you have Meth and N20 added to your car ... not sure what else you'd need more analog channels for.

Junk

[marcielago]

Shiv, what kind of control can the procede do on nitrous? Does it replace the progressive controller and the window switch?

[marcvtec]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

That's certainly an end of the world scenario. During those first few seconds on boost, you wont be any less tuned than you are now since learning will start from your current user adjustable settings. We are not talking about a huge difference here. "Untuned" is just a relative term. You'll still be better tuned than the next guy.

The other option is to make the last learned values persistent so that it starts up at the previous settings where you left off.Shiv

+10000000000

this way the car is the same when we start the engine again

[StartupJunkie]

For the folks who are asking for the car to be same after engine restart, I think there are two scenarios to consider.

#1 - if you just stop and started the engine, then i would say yes, persist.
#2 - if you just woke up the next morning and started the car, then adjust.

Just to be clear, even today the Proceed does some auto-tuning ... it doesn't give you full power until certain conditions are met (oil temps are warm enough + ...) ... it will also pull power (if you are close to pinging or oil temps too high or ...).

I think what Shiv is doing is simply stacking more built-in intelligence based on what he's been seeing in his and his customers' real world.

I don't think we've ever taken a step backwards with regards to new releases from Vishnu, please correct me if i'm wrong. We've been getting more/better/refined over time.

Junk

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by StartupJunkie

I don't think we've ever taken a step backwards with regards to new releases from Vishnu, please correct me if i'm wrong. We've been getting more/better/refined over time.

Junk

Valet speed limiter!

[StartupJunkie]

AltecBX - you got me ... but to be honest, this has not been an issue for me ... so I would gladly trade that feature for everything else I've gotten.

I'm sure Shiv can address that ... I know he has a few more features he's working on that will we be even more handy.

Junk

[Pry]

Originally Posted by StartupJunkie

For the folks who are asking for the car to be same after engine restart, I think there are two scenarios to consider.

#1 - if you just stop and started the engine, then i would say yes, persist.
#2 - if you just woke up the next morning and started the car, then adjust.

That would be perfect!

Originally Posted by AltecBX

Speed Delimiter!

What? Isn't there a speed delimiter anymore?
I was waiting to do a top speed run on my local airport in the summer.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by marcielago

Shiv, what kind of control can the procede do on nitrous? Does it replace the progressive controller and the window switch?

there is a dedicated thread on that subject, look it up.

[OpenFlash]

There is still a speed delimiter.

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by StartupJunkie

AltecBX - you got me ... but to be honest, this has not been an issue for me ... so I would gladly trade that feature for everything else I've gotten.

I'm sure Shiv can address that ... I know he has a few more features he's working on that will we be even more handy.

Junk

Yea, is not a an issue for me either.

Originally Posted by Pry

What? Isn't there a speed delimiter anymore?
I was waiting to do a top speed run on my local airport in the summer.

Sorry. The Valet speed limiter.
The Speed delimiter is there to remove the governor for increase speed.