Mike/Terry, can you please join this discussion?

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

I agree that the N54 is strong, at the same time you can not prove how hard the car is knocking during the knock frequency's that the OEM Sensor uses to lower timing.

I know you can hook them up to your car stereo, But again, you have no way to measure them.. Making that useless.

You have been on my ass all day, maybe start your own thread tittled "knock isn't knock"

I have a way to measure the stereo output, because I have tuned engines with headphone knock sensor before, this engine is no different.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

You have been on my ass all day, maybe start your own thread tittled "knock isn't knock"

/Thread

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:08 AM

/yourlife, if you are going quote me, quote the whole thing.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:08 AM

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/yourlife

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Originally Posted by Clap135

/yourlife, if you are going quote me, quote the whole thing.

I would If you would stop editing your post.

E90PAT · 02-21-2011, 01:08 AM

So let me get this straight. The idea of this thread is to acknowledge the whole knocking issue? If the stock ecu is able to adjust this issue with stock setup, whats the big deal with tuners not being able to reach these parameters, adjust them accordingly and call it a day?

Im not pro at this topic but its interesting and would like to be informed.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by E92PAT

So let me get this straight. The idea of this thread is to acknowledge the whole knocking issue? If the stock ecu is able to adjust this issue with stock setup, whats the big deal with tuners not being able to reach these parameters, adjust them accordingly and call it a day?

Im not pro at this topic but its interesting and would like to be informed.

His point is he thinks that the OEM knock sensors do not do a good enough job.

Considering how JB uses the OEM knock sensors, he does not think that its right.

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by E92PAT

So let me get this straight. The idea of this thread is to acknowledge the whole knocking issue? If the stock ecu is able to adjust this issue with stock setup, whats the big deal with tuners not being able to reach these parameters, adjust them accordingly and call it a day?

Im not pro at this topic but its interesting and would like to be informed.

The whole point of this thread is that the stock ecu does a shitty job adjusting for these conditions on a stock tune. Being that the jb4 raises boost it basically relies ont he stock ecus programming to assume the car runs in these shit conditions constantly. As seen from the logs in the first post, the ecu is not very good at doing its job in extreme conditions, which are equal to normal condition on higher boost.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

The whole point of this thread is that the stock ecu does a shitty job adjusting for these conditions on a stock tune. Being that the jb4 raises boost it basically relies ont he stock ecus programming to assume the car runs in these shit conditions constantly. As seen from the logs in the first post, the ecu is not very good at doing its job in extreme conditions, which are equal to normal condition on higher boost.

Which is why so many N54's have problems runing the JB (sarcasm)

e90injrz · 02-21-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

I believe you are wrong, the only reason we dont see more blown n54s is because the engine is basically bulletproof for anyone on stock turbos....

Can't think of many cars on the market that can take 150whp on top of stock output while spinning turbos out of the their maps without throwing rods or melting pistons.

So whats the outcome were looking for here?

trying to get BMS to admit the Jb3/4 does not monitor timing properly?

ianthegreat · 02-21-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lemanse92

Wish we could have something like flashing signals when the engine knocks, since knock monitoring will be coming according to Mike.

What I'm getting at is clear... IMO, especially on the stock car, I don't think these "knock" events, if that's what you want to call them, are severe.

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Which is why so many N54's have problems runing the JB (sarcasm)

They do, if they didn't terry wouldnt implement the new autotuning which monitors these timing drop outs.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by e90injrz

So whats the outcome were looking for here?

trying to get BMS to admit the Jb3/4 does not work properly?

He is trying to "inform" the public of these downfall's, which will then make BMS work hard and make a better product, In tune making more competition in the market.

according to him in a recent AIM conversation I had with Laloosh

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Originally Posted by Clap135

They do, if they didn't terry wouldnt implement the new autotuning which monitors these timing drop outs.

You can always make things better and or add features to things..

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by e90injrz

So whats the outcome were looking for here?

trying to get BMS to admit the Jb3/4 does not monitor timing properly?

Monitoring timing and adjusting timing are two different things.
The way the stock timing reacts to a tune that doesnt control timing is straight up idiotic.

e90injrz · 02-21-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

He is trying to "inform" the public of these downfall's, which will then make BMS work hard and make a better product, In tune making more competition in the market.

according to him in a recent AIM conversation I had with Laloosh

You can always make things better and or add features to things..

Fixed my OP but in any case the same answer would be given i guess.

skinrock · 02-21-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

They do, if they didn't terry wouldnt implement the new autotuning which monitors these timing drop outs.....Think before you make an ass of yourself.

Honest question, where are all these issues being reported? Yes, I run the JB4, but I'm not a fanboy or anything - I just wanted a tune and found nothing but good reviews here.

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

He is trying to "inform" the public of these downfall's, which will then make BMS work hard and make a better product, In tune making more competition in the market.

according to him in a recent AIM conversation I had with Laloosh

You can always make things better and or add features to things..

If you are to blind to see the information infront of you then I can't help you anymore. Also the pro board will have timing control, why? Because that requires terry redesigning the hardware and going to a different isle in radio shack. Also the n55, as already seen, runs like shit on a jb3/4 style "chip"

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skinrock

Honest question, where are all these issues being reported? Yes, I run the JB4, but I'm not a fanboy or anything - I just wanted a tune and found nothing but good reviews here.

These issues arnt reported because most of this community is just like you. They see 80hp for 500 bucks and whip out the credit card, install it and forget about it. Log your car on different days, you will simply see for yourself.

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skinrock

Honest question, where are all these issues being reported? Yes, I run the JB4, but I'm not a fanboy or anything - I just wanted a tune and found nothing but good reviews here.

These issues are being made bigger in his head.

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Originally Posted by Clap135

Not insulting you, simpling speaking the truth. If you are to blind to see the information infront of you then I can't help you anymore. Also the pro board will have timing control, why? Because that requires terry redesigning the hardware and going to a different isle in radio shack. Also the n55, as already seen, runs like shit on a jb3/4 style "chip"

You have yet to post anything showing what these "knocks" even are. How severe they are, you have yet to post ANYTHING really, other then the fact that the JB uses the OEM knock sensor to lower ignition timing.

Clap135 · 02-21-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

These issues are being made bigger in his head.

show proof, actually go run 20 psi, let the ecu save you, after all its not REALLLLLLY knocking right.

e92bmw · 02-21-2011, 01:22 AM

Looks like Mike ran away, I guess we'll have to wait until Terry comes up with some other bullshit comment thats totaly off topic like he always does( for example: the jb4 is the best tune out there and if you order now ill drop the price....)
Ps: To all jb fan boys if you guys think Terry is such a genious tuner, you should check out all his threads on his account terry335 maybe then you guys will realise how clueless he really is...

AltecBX · 02-21-2011, 01:24 AM

I don't understand this tread. Are you saying that this engine shouldn't run a (x) amount of boost in those condition?

InCityPhoto · 02-21-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

show proof, actually go run 20 psi, let the ecu save you, after all its not REALLLLLLY knocking right.

In theory you should not be allowed to run more PSI then your timing allow's, the car would detect the knocking frequency's at first and lower the timing until it was unable to do so any farther, if you kept pushing it... well you have seen the blown up cars.

If you work within the range of the OEM knock sensor, it will do what it was designed to do.

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E90PAT SOFLO CODING 210 Rep 3,587 Posts Drives: Z4M Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SoFla iTrader: (18)	So let me get this straight. The idea of this thread is to acknowledge the whole knocking issue? If the stock ecu is able to adjust this issue with stock setup, whats the big deal with tuners not being able to reach these parameters, adjust them accordingly and call it a day? Im not pro at this topic but its interesting and would like to be informed.
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e92bmw Lieutenant 13 Rep 490 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In front of your car iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i coupe [0.00] 2007 335i coupe [0.00]	Looks like Mike ran away, I guess we'll have to wait until Terry comes up with some other bullshit comment thats totaly off topic like he always does( for example: the jb4 is the best tune out there and if you order now ill drop the price....) Ps: To all jb fan boys if you guys think Terry is such a genious tuner, you should check out all his threads on his account terry335 maybe then you guys will realise how clueless he really is...
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