[pHo_e92]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

which track do you guys go to? TMP? i'm in buffalo and we go up there to the road course sometimes. well i did when i had my evo i dont know if ill go with this car, but 1/4 mile could be fun

we were at toronto motorsports park aka Cayuga.

[pHo_e92]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Hey man that was you in the grey coupe that night, nice to meet you...

Everyone, this is the man who's seen my boost logs up front ill be going a few more times before they close, let you guys know in the Canada section, whoever's available and we go beat on some American muscle

yup that was me ya man kinda shitty that everything didnt work out as you wanted but ya let us know the next time you head up i am down for sure!

[blubyu]

I've been in the tuning game for a while under other platforms and cannot believe the guys here that actually think piggyback tunes are the way to go.

Honestly I didn't even know they still existed and were marketed but apparently most(and I use that word loosely) of the crowd here has no clue how tuning works, all they care about is dyno numbers.

[blubyu]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

cobb was late to the game on this platform. they had 3 yrs of being brainwashed by these other shops. until open source tuning is made available with the cobb, these other noobs are going to talk smack unfortunately.

in other news, how does your vette compare with your 335i? are you cobb stage 1? my buddy just got his frc today and i'm looking forward to laying the smack down on him until he gets a cam and some slicks

I actually sold it last year but its not a comparison. I never made any full 1/4 passes (snapped the output shaft on the trans) but it ran the best of 7.02@101 in the 1/8th which would equate to 10.80's in the 1/4 with the stock bottom end with H/C/I setup.

Right now my 335 is stock as I refuse to "trick" tune it. I have thought about getting a COBB just to give it a little more kick, but to me thats the same as buying a mail order tune from an lsx tuner. More of a get you by until you can tune it yourself or get it tuned. I still will probably do it if I decide to keep the car. Cars usually don't last more than 2 years in my garage though, I get bored easily. I plan to run it again just for the fun of it in Nov at a local car sites track rental. Its ran a 13.55@105, 2.0 60' stock on run flats but the DA was over 2000ft. Hopefully I can get some -DA and a little hook off the line and run some low low 13's stock.

[cwn23]

I dunno. You say nitrous is dangerous and what not but yet turning off mis-firing derection is not. Kind of ironic if you ask me

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by cwn23

I dunno. You say nitrous is dangerous and what not but yet turning off mis-firing derection is not. Kind of ironic if you ask me

ya, i don't know where this BS about turning off misfire detection is dangerous coming from, but i think i know who's spreading the BS, doesn't matter to me..

turning it off was done at my sole request to see how the car would behave with it off and if it would result in true misfires...on top of that, doing this is something that many other ppl do with other cars/platforms when strange issues such as this come up and they're not coil, plug, fuel, engine related but more along the lines of electrical noise or some sensor input that's crossing some threshold somewhere and causing the fuel to cut out...not sure how many of you actually took the time to read my misfire thread but if you have you'd notice that the "ACTUAL" issue that'd happen up top is that the DME would cut fuel to all cylinders...it was an engine wide fuel system shutdown...seeing that you can argue both ways, saying that a misfire happening will cause the DME to cut fuel to the cylinders but you could also say that something else caused the ECU to first cut fuel and then in that moment trigger/record the misfire code making it look misleading...

really doesn't matter to me a whole hell of a lot at this point what the root cause is/was as long as the car's running like a champ...i choose to put it on the back burner, others choose to run nitrous on their car, others depend on meth to deliver the octane on high boost but choose to ignore the fact that they don't have a slightest idea on its distribution across all 6 cylinders, while others just crank boost up and don't give a shit about what their AFR looks like and knock the living lights out of their motor time and time again...there's always risk with anything being done, in this case there was no other option or thing to try...i was not going to open up the motor after seeing that turning off a diagnostic makes the issue go away completely and I've decided that when the time permits I'll come back to it and try to work on it with Cobb to see if we can track down what tables/logic in the ROM is responsible for causing that top end fuel cut which would end up in a misfire scenario...at least they have the means and the know how, given enough time, to look into the details of things like this right inside the ROM itself...

in the end, a "true" misfire, if there really was one, would still manifest itself and its something you can definitely see and feel..if the misfire was indeed the root cause and it was so small that you can't even feel it or see the effects of it on the car than really what's there to be concerned about...not sure how many of you know but misfires happen on all cars all the time (i.e. remember that stumbling that happens every morning on cold start as the car is warming up, well) they only get recorded (code is triggered) after they occur within a certain timespan more than misfire detection thresholds are set for on the stock tune...

the car is 100% smooth up top with it off and runs like a champ, all i care about

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by blubyu

I've been in the tuning game for a while under other platforms and cannot believe the guys here that actually think piggyback tunes are the way to go.

Honestly I didn't even know they still existed and were marketed but apparently most(and I use that word loosely) of the crowd here has no clue how tuning works, all they care about is dyno numbers.

This platform at its inception did not take kindly to flash tunes because BMW made it that way. AKA they made it very difficult to make powerful flash tunes. Its been a lot easier for a piggy to gain power over flash, generally speaking. The reason this thread is considered good news is that its a step in the direction for people who have been waiting years for more power in flash tunes (excess of 16 PSI). They are still catching up to piggybacks (performance wise). But flash tunes still have other inherent benefits (touchy subject). Cobb is also playing catch up not being in the game since this platform came to life. If we had them back in 2007 this thread woudnt exist, atleast not in 2011.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

This platform at its inception did not take kindly to flash tunes because BMW made it that way. AKA they made it very difficult to make powerful flash tunes. Its been a lot easier for a piggy to gain power over flash, generally speaking. The reason this thread is considered good news is that its a step in the direction for people who have been waiting years for more power in flash tunes (excess of 16 PSI). They are still catching up to piggybacks (performance wise). But flash tunes still have other inherent benefits (touchy subject). Cobb is also playing catch up not being in the game since this platform came to life. If we had them back in 2007 this thread woudnt exist, atleast not in 2011.

+1

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

This platform at its inception did not take kindly to flash tunes because BMW made it that way. AKA they made it very difficult to make powerful flash tunes. Its been a lot easier for a piggy to gain power over flash, generally speaking. The reason this thread is considered good news is that its a step in the direction for people who have been waiting years for more power in flash tunes (excess of 16 PSI). They are still catching up to piggybacks (performance wise). But flash tunes still have other inherent benefits (touchy subject). Cobb is also playing catch up not being in the game since this platform came to life. If we had them back in 2007 this thread woudnt exist, atleast not in 2011.

Only because I am curious, what are some of these other benefits? Forgive my ignorance... I know the idea with not tricking the ECU to intercept signals as with a piggyback but outside of that, what is it that a flash can do that a piggy cant?

Serious question not meant to start anything, I really want to know.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

Only because I am curious, what are some of these other benefits? Forgive my ignorance... I know the idea with not tricking the ECU to intercept signals as with a piggyback but outside of that, what is it that a flash can do that a piggy cant?

Serious question not meant to start anything, I really want to know.

Oh you're not tricking me into opening up that bees nest LOL (i'll pm you my thoughts).

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Oh you're not tricking me into opening up that bees next LOL (i'll pm you my thoughts).

Thanks Jeff! I'd appreciate it!

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

Only because I am curious, what are some of these other benefits? Forgive my ignorance... I know the idea with not tricking the ECU to intercept signals as with a piggyback but outside of that, what is it that a flash can do that a piggy cant?

Serious question not meant to start anything, I really want to know.

Please create a separate thread as its a topic really that deserves its own discussion but don't be surprised if it goes out of control and gets closed fast..but man that'll be war and a half LOL please let's not discuss that here...

On my car, and Clap has mentioned seeing this as well on his car, and everyone else is welcome to log their AFR and see as well, what I have already mentioned is part throttle/post shift air fuel targeting or as I like to call it the AFR roller coaster of DEATH lol...

[FURTHER COMMENTS REMOVED FROM THIS THREAD/POST] will happily discuss in another thread..

[jippii ensio]

Well done Dzenno. Some people don't understand that meth with the additional boost enabled is a huge factor. You having problems with the meth flow & boost and still managing 11s is well done.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Well done Dzenno. Some people don't understand that meth with the additional boost enabled is a huge factor. You having problems with the meth flow & boost and still managing 11s is well done.

I guess I should've just posted the slip and said, hey 11s on cobb's experimental tune on PUMP GAS...then it'd be like WTF! lol really, that's what it was...i think next time that's exactly what I'll do as given the timing this map runs I don't see any issues running it on pure pump 94 gas and no CM3-like nozzle flow that was flowing lol...maybe really i could've gone even faster if that little meth wasn't even spraying at all as AFR was already 11.5 with pump gas timing, in other words conservative and a half!

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Thanks George. As for why flash and why bother its really simple. I can't tun them alone. I can send/post logs of both procede v5 rev 2 and 2.5 and jb4 on latest firmware showing leanruns at part throttle and post shift. I can't run those safely and consistently in terms of AFR on my car when on high boost period. I "need" the flash to set the AFR targets, piggies can't do it to my liking. If you like I can post them in a new thread but trust me THAT is what would open a pandora's box and not turning off misfire detection on my own request.

Question to you is how do you trust your piggie with AFRs when I know for a fact that on high boost you'll have leanruns? Let's please not go there in this thread and I don't want to participate in that convo, just do some high boost logging on a piggie and check for yourself what happens with AFR at initial throttle stab as well as post shift.




LOL thanks man...let's just say I drive 50km to/from work every day and my drive is always great for tinkering with shit



Thanks man...I'm from Mostar ya where're you from?

Im from Loznica, Srbija. But I been livin in the states (Chicago) for the last 22 years lol Bosna is like 15 min from me over Drina.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Im from Loznica, Srbija. But I been livin in the states (Chicago) for the last 22 years lol Bosna is like 15 min from me over Drina.

i've been in Canada for 19 years...good to meet you man, zivio

[99three]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Sure man, i'll make a thread in the Canada section next time I go...probably very soon as we've got 2 more Wednesday nights before it closes for winter and a few more Friday nights before it closes entirely for winter...time to take advantage of the clean/cool Canadian air up here

Give me a heads up next time...I'll make sure to come up especially if Ivo comes along. You'll capture that elusive sub 11 time soon. Good numbers BTW!

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by 99three

Give me a heads up next time...I'll make sure to come up especially if Ivo comes along. You'll capture that elusive sub 11 time soon. Good numbers BTW!

Sure thing...planning next Wed night..

[99three]

Hmmm, as it stands they are calling for rain. I'll free up my schedule for Wed anyway. PM me your number so we can arrange meeting up.

[cstmx_ryder]

Lol....dude you obviously went straight to the time and trap speed and MISSED everything in between.....sigh.

Dzenno is basically saying that he got the same time using a less aggressive setup, less developed tune, a worse '60 ft.....So just imagine the potentials if all of the above mentioned was better or more aggressive. Get the picture? Lol.

Originally Posted by Shellacked135i

Mr.5 ran 11.9 @119.9 on stock turbo stacked with Jb . So it took the last popular flash 2 tunes to run that time on stock turbos.
You just need to excuse some of us here that arent impressed by this. It's cool Cobb is playing catch up, I guess. I dont recall Shiv's exact setup but he ran 11.5 @ 125 whether it was stock turbos or not I'm unsure but it was 6MT and no nitrous. When you surpass that time I would be more opt to give the pat on the back for Cobb. The other fastest time is 11.1 @ 127 by lost marine but hes auto. Again, I'm just missing all the hype. I understand you have these plagued misfires but quite frankly this is just another 11 second car. If your just trying to say there is more left, great, but until we see it then its just speculation and Cobb still catching up to whats already been done. No offense or anything.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by dzenno

i've been in Canada for 19 years...good to meet you man, zivio

Yes nice to meet you as well. Bog pomogo.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by 99three

Hmmm, as it stands they are calling for rain. I'll free up my schedule for Wed anyway. PM me your number so we can arrange meeting up.

ah crap, didn't see that rain forecasted on wed but we'll see...i'll pm you my #

Originally Posted by cstmx_ryder

Lol....dude you obviously went straight to the time and trap speed and MISSED everything in between.....sigh.

Dzenno is basically saying that he got the same time using a less aggressive setup, less developed tune, a worse '60 ft.....So just imagine the potentials if all of the above mentioned was better or more aggressive. Get the picture? Lol.

sad isn't it...oh well, just don't invite him back here please LOL