[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Ok so it sounds like you have the ability to reflash the DME
I am guessing in addition to this list i would need downpipes and exhaust ?

Product Quantity Price Amount
PROcede Professional N54 745.00 745.00
ETS 7inch FMIC 965.00 965.00
3_5MAP Sensor_Kit 150.00 150.00
Forge Bypass Valves 345.00 345.00
Ceramic BB_Upgrade 595.00 595.00
YStyle Downipe 250.00 250.00
Recirculated Wastegate 250.00 250.00
VFF 58mm 6,750.00 6,750.00
PWM Methanol Kit_N54_4nozzle 795.00 795.00
Trunk Mounted Meth_Conversion_kit 195.00 195.00
All prices are in US Dollars Subtotal 11,040.00
Shipping 156.00
Tax 0.00
TOTAL 11,196.00

Plus necessary suspension upgrades, tires & installation

[Dave W.]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Ok so it sounds like you have the ability to reflash the DME
I am guessing in addition to this list i would need downpipes and exhaust ?

Product Quantity Price Amount
PROcede Professional N54 745.00 745.00
ETS 7inch FMIC 965.00 965.00
3_5MAP Sensor_Kit 150.00 150.00
Forge Bypass Valves 345.00 345.00
Ceramic BB_Upgrade 595.00 595.00
YStyle Downipe 250.00 250.00
Recirculated Wastegate 250.00 250.00
VFF 58mm 6,750.00 6,750.00
PWM Methanol Kit_N54_4nozzle 795.00 795.00
Trunk Mounted Meth_Conversion_kit 195.00 195.00
All prices are in US Dollars Subtotal 11,040.00
Shipping 156.00
Tax 0.00
TOTAL 11,196.00

Since you already have the Y-Style Downpipe option selected, you would not need any other type of downpipe. FYI the Y-Style downpipe that comes in the kit will bolt up to the stock exhaust, of course a high flow aftermarket exhaust is highly recommended.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Ok so it sounds like you have the ability to reflash the DME
I am guessing in addition to this list i would need downpipes and exhaust ?

Product Quantity Price Amount
PROcede Professional N54 745.00 745.00
ETS 7inch FMIC 965.00 965.00
3_5MAP Sensor_Kit 150.00 150.00
Forge Bypass Valves 345.00 345.00
Ceramic BB_Upgrade 595.00 595.00
YStyle Downipe 250.00 250.00
Recirculated Wastegate 250.00 250.00
VFF 58mm 6,750.00 6,750.00
PWM Methanol Kit_N54_4nozzle 795.00 795.00
Trunk Mounted Meth_Conversion_kit 195.00 195.00
All prices are in US Dollars Subtotal 11,040.00
Shipping 156.00
Tax 0.00
TOTAL 11,196.00

Nope. No downpipes necessary since that is included with the kit. And since u chose the y-style option, the supplied downpipe will bolt up to your current midpipes. And yes, we have been flashing MSD80/81 DMEs for quite some time

[SIKH335]

I would say that 90% of people that are FBO with a tune have suspension upgrades already done. Moreover if you are a Vishnu Customer already, you have the Procede, PWM, Charge Pipe and Forge DV. If your not you have a charge pipe and a BOV that can be reused.

I think evaluating price based on stock is pointless since No one is going to but a stock car and jump right to a Single.

My car had all the suspension, BBk meth procede FBO before the Single. I sold my DP's and everything else worked with the kit. My suspension was the first thing I worked on after FBO. So adding the term "necessary suspension upgrades" to this kits price is childish. The suspension upgrades were necessary with 440whp. If you didn't do it back then I would not be looking at this kit if I were u.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Sered

It doesn't do any harm, it's just extremely disingenuous and not an apples to apples comparison at all. VERY VERY few turbo kits come with every supporting mod needed. It just doesn't happen that much. Definitely not a fair comparison. It doesn't 'do' harm, it's just misleading and a tactic employed by naysayers.

+1

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

I would say that 90% of people that are FBO with a tune have suspension upgrades already done.

You'd be mistaken. I'd say even fewer have LSD, but it's probably the most important part of puttin power down on the street. In either even, none of this has anything to do with the kit.

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the user track times and joining the ranks myself.

[trufus]

Disagree that "90% of FBO cars have necessary suspension upgrades". In case you hadn't noticed, horsepower figures tend to sell more cars than suspension technology (e.g. live axle mustang). The point here is that, regardless of the intelligence of such a mentality, higher power is more of a priority for most people than actually being able to put down the power.

I do agree that it's not fair to lump the cost of a suspension revamp into the cost of this kit. However it is a cost which must be considered when putting this much power under the hood. It's disingenuous to disregard it entirely and claim it has nothing to do with this turbo kit.

[Schnitzel]

Can we use the AEM 3.5 Bar MAP Sensor Kit for upgraded twins as well? Until now the max boost limit is at 20psi.

[OpenFlash]

Guys-- unless you are a proficient driver and drive the car at or near its limits (i.e., have actually taken some sort of performance driving education/track day experience), spending money on a suspension is completely optional. Most people who currently have upgraded suspension only benefit from the subject improvements in feel, not at-the-limit handling/body control. And most of the people who get a single turbo kit aren't going to running on the race track. So during the usual point-and-shoot application, a 600hp car with stock suspension will be just fine. No worse than it would be in FBO configuration.

So it's pretty silly to add the cost of a good suspension to the price of a single turbo conversion because you consider it a must-have. Well, if it isn't a must-have for you with an FBO setup, it doesn't suddenly become a must-have with a single turbo setup. Both make the same torque to the wheels. The latter just holds it smoothly to redline and is easier to modulate.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Schnitzel

Can we use the AEM 3.5 Bar MAP Sensor Kit for upgraded twins as well? Until now the max boost limit is at 20psi.

Sure. We just haven't yet written twin turbo firmware that uses the Procede's external MAP sensor input. From my experience, running the upgraded twins at higher boost pressures really don't have much benefit.

Shiv

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by trufus

Disagree that "90% of FBO cars have necessary suspension upgrades". In case you hadn't noticed, horsepower figures tend to sell more cars than suspension technology (e.g. live axle mustang). The point here is that, regardless of the intelligence of such a mentality, higher power is more of a priority for most people than actually being able to put down the power.

I do agree that it's not fair to lump the cost of a suspension revamp into the cost of this kit. However it is a cost which must be considered when putting this much power under the hood. It's disingenuous to disregard it entirely and claim it has nothing to do with this turbo kit.

Two of the single turbo cars we've done have stock suspension with the exception of m3 links front and rear. One makes 575whp and the other 640whp. They are perfectly fine for street use. The only thing that I would consider necessary is an LSD since spinning one wheel stinks. But that applies equally to an FBO car that makes the same ~500lbft of torque.

[trufus]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Guys-- unless you are a proficient driver and drive the car at or near its limits (i.e., have actually taken some sort of performance driving education/track day experience), spending money on a suspension is completely optional. Most people who currently have upgraded suspension only benefit from the subject improvements in feel, not at-the-limit handling/body control. And most of the people who get a single turbo kit aren't going to running on the race track. So during the usual point-and-shoot application, a 600hp car with stock suspension will be just fine. No worse than it would be in FBO configuration.

Understood. Guess I just don't understand the point of putting 650 whp in a car and NOT pushing it to it's limits (lateral or otherwise). To each his own.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by trufus

Understood. Guess I just don't understand the point of putting 650 whp in a car and NOT pushing it to it's limits (lateral or otherwise). To each his own.

Because 99% of the time, the driver approaches his limit before the car does. Regardless of how much power it makes.

And if we want to keep on dissuasion suspension upgrades, let's please do it in another thread and keep this on one-topic.

[trufus]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Because 99% of the time, the driver approaches his limit before the car does. Regardless of how much power it makes.

And if we want to keep on dissuasion suspension upgrades, let's please do it in another thread and keep this on one-topic.

I'd agree with you there. But if I'm going to drop several grand to double my car's power I'm definitely going to spend a bit more to learn how to drive it

Sorry for the off topic. I really am looking forward to seeing more of this kit. Keep up the good work.

[TheStig]

WOW!

[E92M356789]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Judging by the list of mods, you can keep the exhaust, charge pipe and bov. You can possibly keep the meth pump in your DO kit. But I'd highly recommend that you with the new 1.5GPH pump that we use. It comes with compression fittings which are a lot more secure than push-on fittings. Thanks for the kind words

Great!, I'm on the process of making some moves to get to the target price of the kit. Also with me having the parts that you stated that I am able to keep will bring the price down right? Also what is the estimated time of arrival once order? Also what would be a ball park price on you conducting the install? Also am I able to keep my Front Mount Inter cooler from Evolution Race work? Thanks and sorry for all the questions

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by El Bimmer

Great!, I'm on the process of making some moves to get to the target price of the kit. Also with me having the parts that you stated that I am able to keep will bring the price down right? Also what is the estimated time of arrival once order? Also what would be a ball park price on you conducting the install? Also am I able to keep my Front Mount Inter cooler from Evolution Race work? Thanks and sorry for all the questions

No problem asking questions. yes, you can keep many of our parts, including the FMIC. Installation for the turbo kit itself is approx $1400. Meth kit install is another ~$400 but that can easily be installed by the user to minimize price. If you check off the parts you want/need on the order page, you'll get a very good idea on total hardware costs. Pls let me know if you have any more questions.

Cheers
shiv

[turugara]

Is there a scheduled test to take one of these single turbo 335i's out to a road course and see how well it holds up during extended WOT? Especially on hot Cali tracks.

[ChuckD05]

I don't understand the need to argue.

LSD is "required" stock IMO. That's the weakest part of the entire n54 lineup. It's kinda pathetic we don't even get a VLSD ... With a 335 pushing 60k in some trims it's a shame there's no LSD even in the 335is models.

Outside of that people can def get away with stock suspension.

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by trufus

Disagree that "90% of FBO cars have necessary suspension upgrades". In case you hadn't noticed, horsepower figures tend to sell more cars than suspension technology (e.g. live axle mustang). The point here is that, regardless of the intelligence of such a mentality, higher power is more of a priority for most people than actually being able to put down the power.

I do agree that it's not fair to lump the cost of a suspension revamp into the cost of this kit. However it is a cost which must be considered when putting this much power under the hood. It's disingenuous to disregard it entirely and claim it has nothing to do with this turbo kit.

So you suggest at 440whp with stock turbos FBO and tune that suspension upgrades are not needed. The fact that people overlook the suspension mod does not suggest that they should be lumped in with the big power of a single. They were and are needed on stock turbos at 440whp.

[jokergerm]

Enough Bullshiting

Where Are The Pics

[SIKH335]

In my opinion suspension upgrades are needed on stock turbos FBO with Tune. Beyond that LSD is power train and needed either way. If you don't have it done your being cheap. If you have RB turbos and no Suspension work and LSD your nuts also.

But this thread is about the Single and should stay on topic.